I need help with ISO Windows

[Camden Suckstorf]

I'm 12 and I have built (almost) a budget gaming pc. My Ryzen 3 1200 is arriving tomorrow so I'm getting ready with an ISO of windows 10 on my flash drive. I've looked at forums saying Ryzen is 64 bit even though they're x86. I'm currently on Select language, architecture, and edition. The options for architecture are Both, 32 bit x86 and 64 bit x64. Should I still choose 64 bit x64?

[Guest]

Yes choose x64, x86 is 32 bit.

[Lurick]

Yes, you choose 64-bit

64-bit is compatible with 32-bit programs but not the other way around.

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

it depends on how much ram u got, if u have 3gb or less ram a 32bit os will run quicker then a 64bit os ( because 32bit uses less ram )

 

if u have anything above 3gb ram u should go with 64bit

[Camden Suckstorf]

@tjcater There is a option for Both too. What about that one?

[kerradeph]

Just now, Lurick said:

Yes, you choose 64-bit

64-bit is compatible with 32-bit programs but not the other way around.

The bigger issue these days is you don't see many computers with less than 4GB of memory. Anything more than that won't be addressed by 32 bit. 

[Guest]

 

Just now, Camden Suckstorf said:

@tjcater There is a option for Both too. What about that one?

Choose the x64 option

[Camden Suckstorf]

Thanks!

[Guest]

For some clarification, the two options are x86 (32bit) and x86_64 (64 bit). x64 is just an extension on the x86 ISA.

Edited October 22, 2017 by Guest
x86 x64 -> x86_64

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

3 minutes ago, kerradeph said:

The bigger issue these days is you don't see many computers with less than 4GB of memory. Anything more than that won't be addressed by 32 bit. 

32bit actually utilizes up to 3.2gb ram hence why i said 3gb or lower = 32bit ^^ 4gb i would already recommend 64bit hehe

[Camden Suckstorf]

I'd like to know what an ISA is.

[kerradeph]

Just now, Valkyrie Lenneth said:

32bit actually utilizes up to 3.2gb ram hence why i said 3gb or lower = 32bit ^^ 4gb i would already recommend 64bit hehe

I thought it was just shy of 4GB and most people saw closer to 3GB because the GPU memory is addressed along with the system memory or something silly like that. 

 

Basically, there's not much reason these days to go 32 bit. 

[Guest]

Just now, Camden Suckstorf said:

I'd like to know what an ISA is.

Its an Instruction Set Architecture, for a brief introduction, I would recommend this Wikipedia page.

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

2 minutes ago, kerradeph said:

I thought it was just shy of 4GB and most people saw closer to 3GB because the GPU memory is addressed along with the system memory or something silly like that. 

 

Basically, there's not much reason these days to go 32 bit. 

nah its like, 3gb ram = 32bit  , 4gb ram = 64bit , because 32bit only utilizes up to 3.2gb x)

 

thats why they said   less than 4gb = 32bit     higher then 4gb = 64bit :0   because ramsticks  mainly came in 1gb sticks or more

[Drak3]

When talking about CPUs themselves, x86 is a family of instruction sets and architectures. x64 is short hand for x86_64. Ryzen is x86_64. You want 64bit Windows.

2 minutes ago, tjcater said:

Yes choose x64, x86 is 32 bit.

For OP's purposes,this is how Windows does it.

 

 

 

[Lurick]

Just now, Valkyrie Lenneth said:

nah its like, 3gb ram = 32bit  , 4gb ram = 64bit , because 32bit only utilizes up to 3.2gb x)

 

thats why they said   less than 4gb = 32bit     higher then 4gb = 64bit :0   because ramsticks  mainly came in 1gb sticks or more

32 bit can address 4GB of RAM exactly.

 

You get less because of reserved memory on the OS side.

[Camden Suckstorf]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

When talking about CPUs themselves, x86 is a family of instruction sets and architectures. x64 is short hand for x86_64. Ryzen is x86_64. You want 64bit Windows.

For OP's purposes,this is how Windows does it.

 

 

 

I've got what I need, thanks!

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

4 minutes ago, Lurick said:

32 bit can address 4GB of RAM exactly.

 

You get less because of reserved memory on the OS side.

This is because certain devices reserve address space for their use below the 4 GB limit

 

and that ram isnt *useable* hence why on a 4gb system a 64bit is already recommended

[Guest]

Might I mention PAE for the 32bit devices with support for it (Link)?

[AshleyAshes]

Fun fact, 32bit Windows can totally address more than 4GB of memory simply using Physical Address Extension or 'PAE'.  Enabling PAE in 32bit Windows is a not too complicated effort either.  The 4GB memory limitation in 32bit Windows is effectively an artificial limitation imposed by Microsoft.

 

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/unlock-64gb-ram-32-bit-windows-pae-patch/

 

That all saod, in 2017, even with 4GB of memory, I don't see why one wouldn't go 64bit.  There actually ARE applications these days that are 64bit only.  A 64bit OS has no problem running 32bit applications, the inverse is obviously much less true.

[GoodBytes]

59 minutes ago, Valkyrie Lenneth said:

32bit actually utilizes up to 3.2gb ram hence why i said 3gb or lower = 32bit ^^ 4gb i would already recommend 64bit hehe

IF you have 4GB of RAM, and you install WINDOWS specifically, 32-bit version, the available amount of RAM will vary between 3.2 to 3.7GB depending of system configuration (the hardware you have) with the graphics card taking the most.

• If the graphics card doesn't have dedicated memory, it reserves memory of your RAM. In this type of system, you'll always get less than your full RAM.
• Even if your graphics card has dedicated memory, Windows will reserve 256MB of RAM, or more based on the driver requirements, for shared memory IF you have 4GB of RAM. This was done by Microsoft, to solve a driver issues that graphics card manufactures had trouble fixing when the max amount of RAM was reached for a 32-bit CPU (4GB). This can be disabled, if your CPU supports PAE, and you enable it. HOWEVER, doing so may results in system stability issues... mostly due to driver issues. Microsoft put that artificial limit to avoid having its OS being plagued by BSOD, and people blaming Windows and not the manufacture of the hardware driver(s).
• Motherboard limitation with some motherboards (mostly the shit ones that no one should be buying). Despite what some motherboard claimed to support all 4GB of RAM, some actually didn't. So you could not address all 4GB. They usually play the game of "When we say: "Support", we don't mean addressable, it just means the system will boot", type of argument.
• Windows 64-bit does NOT run slower on 4GB or less of RAM. You just end up with less addressable amount of RAM for your programs. And may trigger RAM defragmentation of open (free) space more often. RAM speed doesn't changed based on how much it is filled. RAM data is never fragmeneted, and can't move once a program is running.. so you at have 1GB of free space, but a program that needs 500MB can't run, as you have holes of 10MB that forms 1GB in total between programs in memory. When this happens, Windows does a defragmentation of the free space, freezing programs and part of itself from running, to move data around to regroup the free space in 1 block. This task involved swapping data from the RAM to the HDD/SSD and back. A costly (in time) process, which impacts performance while it does it. But if you never/don't fall into such situation, then you are fine. They are no speed differences.