New PC - Need help!

[CaseyYoung]

Hi there,

 

I'm in need of a new computer (had a laptop) which I can use for work and gaming.

I don't feel confident enough to pick and assemble it myself (PCPartPicker).

I'm using a website / company to pick from pre-selected parts and they assemble it.

 

I want to know if I selected the best parts for my aim, or if I should change something.

I also need help with figuring out how a triple monitor setup + a drawing monitor works.

 

As for work, I'm streaming Photoshop.
It's important that the PC works fluently, without slow down.
I also highly value it being silent (open MIC).

 

As for gaming, I'm not that interested in high-end AAA games.

I'm perfectly fine with playing a more demanding game on lower settings.

 

I don't care for overclocking, SLI nor RBG.

1920x1080, 60 Hz/FPS is perfect for me.

 

Website:
https://rigbuilder.nl/winkel/game-pc-configurator/

 

Budget: €1550,-
I don't want to buy parts I don't need or can't utilize (bottleneck).

Aim: Streaming Photoshop (buying a Wacom Cintiq 13HD), Gaming (Overwatch, indies).

Note: I'm not streaming my games.

Concerns: Bottleneck, loud fans.

 

Case: Aerocool DS 230

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 6 cores @ 3.8/3.9

Fan: Scythe Mugen 5

Motherboard: Asrock B350M

GPU: Nvidia GTX 1060 3GB

RAM: Crucial DDR4 16 GB @ 2133 Mhz

Power Supply: Seasonic S12II 520 Watt

Storage 1: SSD - Samsung EVO 850

Storage 2: HDD - 7200 RPM

Wi-Fi: TP-Link TL-WN823N Dongle (up to 300 mbit/s)

Extra fans: Silent Fan Pack
OS: Windows 10

 

Current price: €1319,-

 

Keyboard: Corsair K55 RBG

Mouse: Logitech G602

 

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Monitors: ???

 

Budget: €550,- (for all three monitors, not each)

 

Aim: I want a triple monitor setup + the Wacom Cintiq 13HD tablet.

Note: I'm not going to use all three monitors for gaming.

 

Monitor 1: Main screen / Stream / Game

Monitor 2: OBS, Twitch chat, etc (Steam stuff) (Extend Monitor 1 - Left)

Monitor 3: Google, Music, etc (Personal stuff) (Extend Monitor 1 - Right)

Tablet: Drawing (Duplicate Monitor 1)

 

Concerns: Can you extend AND duplicate at the same time, and how?

Note: All monitors and the tablet will have the same resolution (1920x1080), but not size.

 

I need to know how to duplicate and extend at the same time, before I can select the monitors I want to buy.

 

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If you have any questions, just ask.

Thanks in advance!
-- Casey

[Devin92]

if no overclocking, you dont need Asrock AB350M, B320 is good enough.
however, if photoshop is what you are after, the new coffee lake i5 might be better. photoshop is single core oriented. and i5 boost to 4.0Ghz, which is even faster than ryzen 5 if you are not overclocking. Its just announced, and should be on sale soon.

You can get OS from reddit/kinguin for 10-20 dollar if you are okay with it.

 

 

[Gpuprodamnn]

34 minutes ago, CaseyYoung said:

Hi there,

 

I'm in need of a new computer (had a laptop) which I can use for work and gaming.

I don't feel confident enough to pick and assemble it myself (PCPartPicker).

I'm using a website / company to pick from pre-selected parts and they assemble it.

 

I want to know if I selected the best parts for my aim, or if I should change something.

I also need help with figuring out how a triple monitor setup + a drawing monitor works.

 

As for work, I'm streaming Photoshop.
It's important that the PC works fluently, without slow down.
I also highly value it being silent (open MIC).

 

As for gaming, I'm not that interested in high-end AAA games.

I'm perfectly fine with playing a more demanding game on lower settings.

 

I don't care for overclocking, SLI nor RBG.

1920x1080, 60 Hz/FPS is perfect for me.

 

Website:
https://rigbuilder.nl/winkel/game-pc-configurator/

 

Budget: €1550,-
I don't want to buy parts I don't need or can't utilize (bottleneck).

Aim: Streaming Photoshop (buying a Wacom Cintiq 13HD), Gaming (Overwatch, indies).

Note: I'm not streaming my games.

Concerns: Bottleneck, loud fans.

 

Case: Aerocool DS 230

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 6 cores @ 3.8/3.9

Fan: Scythe Mugen 5

Motherboard: Asrock B350M

GPU: Nvidia GTX 1060 3GB

RAM: Crucial DDR4 16 GB @ 2133 Mhz

Power Supply: Seasonic S12II 520 Watt

Storage 1: SSD - Samsung EVO 850

Storage 2: HDD - 7200 RPM

Wi-Fi: TP-Link TL-WN823N Dongle (up to 300 mbit/s)

Extra fans: Silent Fan Pack
OS: Windows 10

 

Current price: €1319,-

 

Keyboard: Corsair K55 RBG

Mouse: Logitech G602

 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Monitors: ???

 

Budget: €550,- (for all three monitors, not each)

 

Aim: I want a triple monitor setup + the Wacom Cintiq 13HD tablet.

Note: I'm not going to use all three monitors for gaming.

 

Monitor 1: Main screen / Stream / Game

Monitor 2: OBS, Twitch chat, etc (Steam stuff) (Extend Monitor 1 - Left)

Monitor 3: Google, Music, etc (Personal stuff) (Extend Monitor 1 - Right)

Tablet: Drawing (Duplicate Monitor 1)

 

Concerns: Can you extend AND duplicate at the same time, and how?

Note: All monitors and the tablet will have the same resolution (1920x1080), but not size.

 

I need to know how to duplicate and extend at the same time, before I can select the monitors I want to buy.

 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

If you have any questions, just ask.

Thanks in advance!
-- Casey

Get 3000mhz Samsung b-die ram Or 2666mhz FROM Any COMPATIBLE company and gtx 1060 6gb, don’t get the ssd and get better performance.

[FlpDaMattress]

Your monitors can be scaled in windows 10, I recommend you get three of the same aspect ratio and size for Nvidia surround to work properly. I'm assuming the tablet is connected with USB so you shouldn't have an issue. Nvidia surround doesn't connect to every monitor, just the ones you select in Nvidia Control Panel. 

[Guest]

If your not overclocking the ryzen chip, then get an A320 chipset. On the intel side, there is the core i5-8400 which is a locked processor which requires a Z370 motherboard. Get faster RAM, DDR4 2400-2666MHz. There will be no bottlenecks with your system. If you want, you can get windows 10 cheaper off of kinguin.net for $20.

[TSL]

I've parted this out: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/xMFGpb

 

Comes out with slightly better specs than the one you listed and is also 100 Euros cheaper

 

Edit: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/6yx6Gf

Forgot OS

[Sanctorum]

15 minutes ago, TSL said:

I've parted this out: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/xMFGpb

 

Comes out with slightly better specs than the one you listed and is also 100 Euros cheaper

 

Edit: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/6yx6Gf

Forgot OS

1600x makes no sense over 1600. Cooler is a shit choice, fans too.

[Sanctorum]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  (€239.99 @ ARLT) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€129.84 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Flare X 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (€146.58 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€164.74 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€67.36 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: KFA2 - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB EXOC Video Card  (€756.99 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  (€93.88 @ Mindfactory) 
Power Supply: Corsair - Vengeance 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€64.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  (€366.94 @ Mindfactory) 
Total: €2031.31

[TSL]

On 10/6/2017 at 9:48 AM, Sanctorum said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  (€239.99 @ ARLT) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€129.84 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Flare X 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (€146.58 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€164.74 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€67.36 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: KFA2 - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB EXOC Video Card  (€756.99 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  (€93.88 @ Mindfactory) 
Power Supply: Corsair - Vengeance 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€64.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  (€366.94 @ Mindfactory) 
Total: €2031.31

 

Z370 with a locked processor? Waste of money. Also, a stock Intel cooler? OP asked for silent PC, not a jet engine. And you paired AMD optimised RAM with Intel... Not too big a deal, just saying you could have at least tried... Oh and also, the budget was €1550, not €2000. And OP specifically stated they weren't interested in AAA titles at high resolution or Hz. So your 1080Ti is wasted (Oh whats that? OP even said they didn't want hardware they can't use - *throws in 1080ti anyway*) And my suggestion was bad??!!

[Sanctorum]

1 minute ago, TSL said:

Z370 with a locked processor? 

Yeah? So?

 

1 minute ago, TSL said:

Waste of money. 

Show me something cheaper.

 

2 minutes ago, TSL said:

Also, a stock Intel cooler? OP asked for silent PC, not a jet engine. 

Good thing he has €70 left that he can invest in an aftermarket cooler then. He's not getting a silent PC regardless.

 

3 minutes ago, TSL said:

And you paired AMD optimised RAM with Intel... Not too big a deal, just saying you could have at least tried... 

Tried what? So RAM that's made run well with Ryzen, isn't going to work with Intel? Nice meme.

 

4 minutes ago, TSL said:

Oh and also, the budget was €1550, not €2000. 

No, the budget is €2100 including monitor. Read again?

 

7 minutes ago, TSL said:

And OP specifically stated they weren't interested in AAA titles at high resolution or Hz. 

Uh, no he didn't. He said he'd be comfortable playing AAA titles at lower settings, but he doesn't need to. Still, not that hard to change the GPU for something lesser if he really wants.

 

8 minutes ago, TSL said:

And my suggestion was bad??!!

Yeah, it was. Good thing you recognise that it was bad.

[TSL]

On 10/6/2017 at 9:39 AM, Sanctorum said:

1600x makes no sense over 1600. Cooler is a shit choice, fans too.

Okay, the 1600X makes sense in this scenario because if you bothered to read OP's description, you would find that they aren't overclocking. Hence the higher boosting of the 1600X makes up for the small increase in cost. "Cooler is a shit choice"; having owned one myself and can personally say (along with the other thousands of people who've bought it) that it is excellent in all aspects. It is the quietest part of my personal system and is extremely efficient at keeping my overclocked i5-6600K at very respectable temperatures, so it's going to be even better at cooling a locked 1600X. The fans aren't Noctuas. But then again aren't some obscure Asian crap. The budget didn't allow for Noctua fans, so I made a compromise.

[PETRGangKing]

On 10/5/2017 at 3:22 PM, TSL said:

I've parted this out: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/xMFGpb

 

Comes out with slightly better specs than the one you listed and is also 100 Euros cheaper

 

Edit: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/6yx6Gf

Forgot OS

Not bad, but i would go with a different cooler. That one will work, but there are better ones for the same price, such as the cryorig H7.

[TSL]

5 minutes ago, PETRGangKing said:

Not bad, but i would go with a different cooler. That one will work, but there are better ones for the same price, such as the cryorig H7.

Noted, thank you for being nice and constructive unlike Mr. Sanctorum.

[PETRGangKing]

On 10/5/2017 at 3:48 PM, Sanctorum said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  (€239.99 @ ARLT) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€129.84 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Flare X 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (€146.58 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€164.74 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€67.36 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: KFA2 - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB EXOC Video Card  (€756.99 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  (€93.88 @ Mindfactory) 
Power Supply: Corsair - Vengeance 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€64.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  (€366.94 @ Mindfactory) 
Total: €2031.31

Pretty solid build. I actually have the IPS version of that monitor as the secondary monitor on my personal gaming set up. If the H boards were out yet for 8th grade, id probably say he doesn't need the z370 but given how they aren't, at least this route gives him the option to upgrade to an unlocked CPU to OC at a later time.

[PETRGangKing]

Just now, TSL said:

Noted, thank you for being nice and constructive unlike Mr. Sanctorum.

Lol I didn't read the other comments until just now when you said that. The 212 isn't a bad cooler, especially for running at stock speed. I have used it in many many rigs, I just feel like there is better for same price. If it works in your set up, that's all you can ask for. 

[TSL]

4 minutes ago, PETRGangKing said:

Pretty solid build. I actually have the IPS version of that monitor as the secondary monitor on my personal gaming set up. If the H boards were out yet for 8th grade, id probably say he doesn't need the z370 but given how they aren't, at least this route gives him the option to upgrade to an unlocked CPU to OC at a later time.

OP doesn't wish to overclock is the thing, however.

[TSL]

My adjusted version: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/RRrYvV

[PETRGangKing]

2 minutes ago, TSL said:

My adjusted version: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/RRrYvV

Love the noctuas, I'm a sucker for some Noc's

[leadeater]

Please respect the OP thread and the question being asked, this is not a place to argue with each other cluttering the thread.

[CaseyYoung]

Hi again,

 

Before I continue, I want to clarify that I only have acces to what is being offered here:

https://rigbuilder.nl/winkel/game-pc-configurator/

 

On 5-10-2017 at 9:30 PM, Devin92 said:

if no overclocking, you dont need Asrock AB350M, B320 is good enough.
however, if photoshop is what you are after, the new coffee lake i5 might be better. photoshop is single core oriented. and i5 boost to 4.0Ghz, which is even faster than ryzen 5 if you are not overclocking. Its just announced, and should be on sale soon.

You can get OS from reddit/kinguin for 10-20 dollar if you are okay with it.

On 5-10-2017 at 9:45 PM, TheBeastPC said:

If your not overclocking the ryzen chip, then get an A320 chipset. On the intel side, there is the core i5-8400 which is a locked processor which requires a Z370 motherboard. Get faster RAM, DDR4 2400-2666MHz. There will be no bottlenecks with your system. If you want, you can get windows 10 cheaper off of kinguin.net for $20.

 

What is (most) important for multi-tasking? Clock speed, cores, threads, hyperthreading, cache, RAM, RAM speed?

I don't understand how performance is measured anymore.

 

On 5-10-2017 at 9:44 PM, FlpDaMattress said:

Your monitors can be scaled in windows 10, I recommend you get three of the same aspect ratio and size for Nvidia surround to work properly. I'm assuming the tablet is connected with USB so you shouldn't have an issue. Nvidia surround doesn't connect to every monitor, just the ones you select in Nvidia Control Panel. 

 

The drawing monitor is connected by USB and HDMI simultaneously. Would this make a difference?

Can you post some screenshots of the settings in the Nvidia control pannel, to help me understand how to set up a combination of extended and mirrored monitors?

 

On 8-10-2017 at 6:48 AM, leadeater said:

Please respect the OP thread and the question being asked, this is not a place to argue with each other cluttering the thread.

 

Thank you!

[Devin92]

24 minutes ago, CaseyYoung said:

What is (most) important for multi-tasking? Clock speed, cores, threads, hyperthreading, cache, RAM, RAM speed?

I don't understand how performance is measured anymore.

define multitasking. if you mean working on several software all together then RAM is important. you want to have enough RAM so that every software stays there and not get swapped to harddrive. RAM speed matters for ryzen CPU more since ryzen architecture depends on RAM speed a lot. you want to go for 2666Hz to 3000Hz RAM, anything more than that may not be very cost effective. The speed will also boost performance for intel CPU but not as much. so a 2400Hz one is good enough, maybe even 2133Hz.

 

If the software you are using utilize more cores then that software will perform better with a CPU with large core count. Threads is there to ultilize the physical core to its 100%, a thread can be treated as a physical core, but wont have as much computational power as it. for streaming, you also want more cores/threads so that CPU have extra resource to work with to encode the content and sent it out. for example, a 4c8t i7 will do better than a 4c4t i5 in streaming. For your case, photoshop relay more on single core performance so intel is a better choice. and you want to stream photoshop, then i will suggest i7 8700k a 6core 12 thread CPU that will do good both in photoshop and streaming and also performs better than ryzen in gaming.

 

 

[CaseyYoung]

30 minutes ago, Devin92 said:

define multitasking. if you mean working on several software all together then RAM is important. you want to have enough RAM so that every software stays there and not get swapped to harddrive. RAM speed matters for ryzen CPU more since ryzen architecture depends on RAM speed a lot. you want to go for 2666Hz to 3000Hz RAM, anything more than that may not be very cost effective. The speed will also boost performance for intel CPU but not as much. so a 2400Hz one is good enough, maybe even 2133Hz.

 

If the software you are using utilize more cores then that software will perform better with a CPU with large core count. Threads is there to ultilize the physical core to its 100%, a thread can be treated as a physical core, but wont have as much computational power as it. for streaming, you also want more cores/threads so that CPU have extra resource to work with to encode the content and sent it out. for example, a 4c8t i7 will do better than a 4c4t i5 in streaming. For your case, photoshop relay more on single core performance so intel is a better choice. and you want to stream photoshop, then i will suggest i7 8700k a 6core 12 thread CPU that will do good both in photoshop and streaming and also performs better than ryzen in gaming.

 

Would the i5 8600k you suggested earlier still be good enough? The i7 8700k is pushing my budget.

 

Multitasking during work for me would be: Photoshop, OBS/Streaming, two browsers (15 tabs max in total), music through browser, some Twitch plugins and the required background programs, like anti-virus. The computer should be silent or at least as quiet as possible and shouldn't interfere with my MIC.

 

Multitasking during gaming would be: game, one browser (10 tabs max), music through browser and the required background programs, like anti-virus. The computer doesn't have to be silent, but shouldn't interfere with my open MIC.

 

As for game settings: 1920x1080 30 FPS on medium settings at the minimum. 1920x1080 60 FPS on high settings (not ultra) is the max for me.

The computer will be standing below my desk, not directly next to my MIC.

[Devin92]

you will have the check some reviews on how the new i5 is doing on streaming. 6c6t might be well enough. just a quick search syaing its actually doing better than i7 7700k in media encoding and redering. https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_8600K/6.html

 

for a budget solution buy a i5 8600k and overclock it to around 4.5Ghz and you will be fine on both photoshop and streaming. other stuff is not gonna have imapct that much (browsing, music anti-virus etc.) I know you dont want to overclock, but its best way to save some money and get more performance.

 

i really doubt noise is gonna be a huge issue here even if you are overclocking, since your PC is at the ground away from the mic. any silent case will be good enough.

[boiboi69]

2 hours ago, Devin92 said:

define multitasking. if you mean working on several software all together then RAM is important. you want to have enough RAM so that every software stays there and not get swapped to harddrive. RAM speed matters for ryzen CPU more since ryzen architecture depends on RAM speed a lot. you want to go for 2666Hz to 3000Hz RAM, anything more than that may not be very cost effective. The speed will also boost performance for intel CPU but not as much. so a 2400Hz one is good enough, maybe even 2133Hz.

 

If the software you are using utilize more cores then that software will perform better with a CPU with large core count. Threads is there to ultilize the physical core to its 100%, a thread can be treated as a physical core, but wont have as much computational power as it. for streaming, you also want more cores/threads so that CPU have extra resource to work with to encode the content and sent it out. for example, a 4c8t i7 will do better than a 4c4t i5 in streaming. For your case, photoshop relay more on single core performance so intel is a better choice. and you want to stream photoshop, then i will suggest i7 8700k a 6core 12 thread CPU that will do good both in photoshop and streaming and also performs better than ryzen in gaming.

 

 

Is the ryzen 5 1600x good for streaming?

[Devin92]

3 minutes ago, boiboi69 said:

Is the ryzen 5 1600x good for streaming?

yes it is. its onpar with i5 8600k