R7 1700 ram compatibility

[ErikReb]

Hey guys,

I need some advice. I am building a pc for content creation and have picked out my parts. Most difficult is picking the ram modules. The motherboard that I am looking to get is MSI B350M Mortar Arctic(purely for estetics and overclockability) idealy I would like to have a black ram with white LEDs, my eyes stopped on http://www.corsair.com/en-us/vengeance-led-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-dram-3200mhz-c16-memory-kit-white-led-cmu16gx4m2c3200c16. Will run at 3200Mhz on my selected board with R7 1700?

Thanks alot!

[Trulop]

you need to check the QVL on MSI website for the specific board your looking at to see if its listed. MSI has a really nice and easily navigated QVL list and you see which rams run at which speeds that have been tested for no guess work.

[Streetguru]

10 minutes ago, ErikReb said:

 

You need Samsung B-die memory which is generally expensive(near $200 for 16GBs) to ensure high speeds, otherwise just get the cheapest fastest kit and hope for the best

MSI's AM4 boards are not worth it, if you're interested in overclocking an 8 core get anyone else's B350 boards and slap a fan on the VRM

 

Or Spend a bit more for this ASUS B350 board with a more substantial VRM, Plastidip it white or something.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132988&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

[Thinkfreely]

So the answer is "Maybe. The reason being is that even supported ram for Ryzen has a issue with Ram speeds. I run a 1700x with a 3200 LPX kit and I can't get it stable under any circumstances over 2993. You should be just fine with that kit, but getting it stable over 3200 is kind of like the silicon lottery in that, maybe you will, maybe you wont.

[ErikReb]

So it is worth to buy this kit and hope that bios updates will support 3200 natively in the future?

 

[Streetguru]

3 minutes ago, ErikReb said:

So it is worth to buy this kit and hope that bios updates will support 3200 natively in the future?

 

It's not worth buying, there are cheaper options with the same capability, that gives you more money towards your RAM for B-die, or just saves you money in general.

This is the kit you want for higher speeds on Ryzen in any motherboard

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530

[ErikReb]

5 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

You need Samsung B-die memory which is generally expensive(near $200 for 16GBs) to ensure high speeds, otherwise just get the cheapest fastest kit and hope for the best

MSI's AM4 boards are not worth it, if you're interested in overclocking an 8 core get anyone else's B350 boards and slap a fan on the VRM

 

Or Spend a bit more for this ASUS B350 board with a more substantial VRM, Plastidip it white or something.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132988&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

As I mentioned i like the esthetics of the mortar arctic and the mAtx formfactor is also important.

 

[STRMfrmXMN]

It'll work just fine, you may just need to turn up the DRAM voltage to hit 3200 MHz. Bump it to 1.35V and you'll probably have no issues at CAS 16 and 3200.

[ErikReb]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

It's not worth buying, there are cheaper options with the same capability, that gives you more money towards your RAM for B-die, or just saves you money in general.

This is the kit you want for higher speeds on Ryzen in any motherboard

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530

I can get that corsair kit for like 170€ in my country, pretty good price i think.

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, ErikReb said:

I can get that corsair kit for like 170€ in my country, pretty good price i think.

Is it samsung B-die? What country? What's your budget for all of this? Do you really care about the color of your motherboard more than your PC's performance?

[ErikReb]

9 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Is it samsung B-die? What country? What's your budget for all of this? Do you really care about the color of your motherboard more than your PC's performance?

I live in Estonia

Budget is around 1500€ but i will reach that price when i add AIO cooler and other stuff that aren't nessecary for PC to get it running.

My other componets will be:

Samsung 960 Evo 250gb ssd

Evga 1070sc

NZXT Hale 82 v2 550W

NZXT kraken x62

Corsair obsidian 350

R7 1700

MSI B350M Mortar Arctic

ram- not picked yet

these are the parts i picked out, the PC's perfomance is most important, but i want it to look good on my desk.

in the future i plan to throw in some high capacity hard drives and bump ram up to 32gb and maybe do custom watercooling maybe.

[just_dave]

MSI mobo is garbage

No B350 is really good for R7

[ErikReb]

4 minutes ago, dave_k said:

MSI mobo is garbage

No B350 is really good for R7

why so?

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, dave_k said:

MSI mobo is garbage

No B350 is really good for R7

Did you see the ASUS B350 board that just came to the US? Ryzen doesn't need a lot of power, at most you need to put a fan on a B350 board's VRM
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132988&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
 

12 minutes ago, ErikReb said:

 

The Kraken X62 is overpriced, you may want a 650W PSU to put less load on it. That corsair case appears to be lacking in airflow compared to say a master case 5 which has a full mesh front. Really though the MSI boards are not that great for AM4.

Here is a list of samsung B-die, or are the G.skill Flare X 3200mhz CL14 kits available where you are? That's likely the one to get.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

 

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, ErikReb said:

why so?

At least in the US it's overpriced as I explained earlier. You can get the same quality of motherboard for less, or much better quality for slightly more.

Is the

ASUS ROG STRIX B350-F GAMING AM4 AMD B350

  Available where you are? 

[just_dave]

3 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Did you see the ASUS B350 board that just came to the US? Ryzen doesn't need a lot of power, at most you need to put a fan on a B350 board's VRM

Yeah keep telling that yourself.

Its not true.

B350s have really bad VRMs.

[Streetguru]

6 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Yeah keep telling that yourself.

Its not true.

B350s have really bad VRMs.

I just did benchmarking all day at 1.425V with my ASrock's "6"+3 phase VRM, it's fine.

[just_dave]

9 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

I just did benchmarking all day at 1.425V with my ASrock's "6"+3 phase VRM, it's fine.

Temps?

Exact temps.

Heatsink and mosfet casing.

It will run fine, but the caps will die.

Also, the ASRock B350 has really bad lowside FETs, they lose 2.5W at the config you ran.

Now lets take their 40°c/W Røja and multiply it by the heat.

120°C+ ambient

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, dave_k said:

 

I don't have any way to measure it's temps, I just threw a fan on it. It survived a few hours of firestrike without crashing.

[just_dave]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

I don't have any way to measure it's temps, I just threw a fan on it. It survived a few hours of firestrike without crashing.

Look up my calculation.

You just cannot say its "fine" because your measurment is totally wrong and you dont even monitor the temps.

When you do that with IR thermometer, tell me if your temps were under 90°C

And run P95 large FFT for these tests.

[Streetguru]

4 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Look up my calculation.

You just cannot say its "fine" because your measurment is totally stupid and you dont even monitor the temps.

When you do that with IR thermometer, tell me if your temps were under 90°C

If it works without crashing then it's "fine", and there's no real alternative as no one makes a cheap solid motherboard yet like AM3+ had in the ASrock 970A board for $70. Though the 4+2/3/4 B350 boards are likely a bit better then that "6" + 3 phase. I also don't really see any middle ground between the B350 boards that work, and the $200+ USD boards like the Taichi/Gaming 7/Crosshair VI. The performance difference won't be too much as I can still hit 3900mhz on my board with an R71700.

There's all the math for the VRM including it's heat generated.

 

[just_dave]

5 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

If it works without crashing then it's "fine", and there's no real alternative as no one makes a cheap solid motherboard yet like AM3+ had in the ASrock 970A board for $70. Though the 4+2/3/4 B350 boards are likely a bit better then that "6" + 3 phase. I also don't really see any middle ground between the B350 boards that work, and the $200+ USD boards like the Taichi/Gaming 7/Crosshair VI. The performance difference won't be too much as I can still hit 3900mhz on my board with an R71700.

There's all the math for the VRM including it's heat generated.

 

You didnt see the last video did you?

Also, 21W is a fucking lot.

Asus does 18W.

I can do the math too its stupid easy

And the caps will blow up soon.

Simply said, you are recommending garbage and talking one too, see the last vid buildzoid did.

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, dave_k said:

Also, 21W is a fucking lot.

Right, but the board appears to have real heatsinks, as in they have fins that will actually dissipate heat.

In the last video he suggested to just throw a fan on it, which is what I suggest if you aren't going to invest the extra $100 ish in the far better X370 boards.

[just_dave]

4 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Right, but the board appears to have real heatsinks, as in they have fins that will actually dissipate heat.

In the last video he suggested to just throw a fan on it, which is what I suggest if you aren't going to invest the extra $100 ish in the far better X370 boards.

What?

Asus Prime X370 Pro costs $140 or so.

I see most of the people triying to figure out how to put a fan there.

Noone will do that.

People want it to work and dont have to worry about it.

Also, the heatsinks on the ASrock board are comparable to the ones on Prime B350 Plus and when it is more efficient and has bigger VRM surface area, still reaches 120°C, i wanna see the ASSRock

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, dave_k said:

People want it to work and dont have to worry about it.

Then they have to spend more money or save money and be "fine", how much of a better OC will that board at $150 give you over the $70 board with "6" + 3 or 4 + 3? 100mhz? 200mhz at most?

I went with the other boards because those ones all have external BCLK for more fine tuning and even more overbuilt VRMs.