Are these decent numbers?

[invisiblehand13]

So I am overclocking ryzen and just wanted some validation on my numbers here...Components are as follows:

 

Ryzen 5 1600 @3.9GHz and vcore @ 1.35v

Cryorig C1 cooler (for the downdraft effect onto the VRM heatsinks)

GSkill Flare X RAM @3200MHz with 14-14-14-34 timings and dram voltage @ 1.35v

Asrock AB350M Pro 4 motherboard (base clock @99.8 for some reason???)

 

So I have been running aida64 for about an hour now and browsing with chrome just to test stability and all seems well with cpu temps topping out @ 62c but there is another temp listed in hwmonitor as "package [node 0]" @ 78c so my question is are these numbers okay? These temps are only while stress testing otherwise everything settles down to 35-42c across the board on everything...just new to Ryzen and do not want to fry my motherboard and not sure if hwmonitor lists the VRM temps or if my board can even monitor them but under the motherboard section of hwmonitor all temps are at 40c except for the cpu which is at 62c as stated above. Any feedback would be much appreciated!

 

[iRileyx]

How the hell can you use that font, thats hurting my eyes trying to read the screenshot lol.

 

Temps are all fine though.

[IanTheAlien123]

_{Yeah I mean as long as your not stressing cpu 24/7 you should be fine.}

[invisiblehand13]

1 minute ago, RKRiley said:

How the hell can you use that font, thats hurting my eyes trying to read the screenshot lol.

 

Temps are all fine though.

LOL just a huge fan of fallout (older fallout or fallout 4 with about 100 mods) plus it has the added benefit of being annoying to everyone else but me but my main concern is the "package [node 0]" that is reading at 79c, I am assuming this is what the actual CPU is reading while the motherboard only reads it at 62c?

[johndms]

9 minutes ago, invisiblehand13 said:

So I am overclocking ryzen and just wanted some validation on my numbers here...Components are as follows:

 

Ryzen 5 1600 @3.9GHz and vcore @ 1.35v

Cryorig C1 cooler (for the downdraft effect onto the VRM heatsinks)

GSkill Flare X RAM @3200MHz with 14-14-14-34 timings and dram voltage @ 1.35v

Asrock AB350M Pro 4 motherboard (base clock @99.8 for some reason???)

 

So I have been running aida64 for about an hour now and browsing with chrome just to test stability and all seems well with cpu temps topping out @ 62c but there is another temp listed in hwmonitor as "package [node 0]" @ 78c so my question is are these numbers okay? These temps are only while stress testing otherwise everything settles down to 35-42c across the board on everything...just new to Ryzen and do not want to fry my motherboard and not sure if hwmonitor lists the VRM temps or if my board can even monitor them but under the motherboard section of hwmonitor all temps are at 40c except for the cpu which is at 62c as stated above. Any feedback would be much appreciated!

Package temp is the one you need to monitor, ignore the other 'CPU' temperature. If it goes much higher, you're reaching unsafe levels. 90+ would be very bad. Also, your vcore can't be 1.35 when your screenshot shows the max at 1.392, so I assume you've got 1.4v set in the bios. Aside from that, at 3.9GHz 78c is not bad. I'd continue with that stress test (uncheck system memory). If you can successfully run Aida64, stressing CPU/FPU/Cache for 3-4 hours, I'd say you're stable.

[invisiblehand13]

4 minutes ago, IanTheAlien123 said:

_{Yeah I mean as long as your not stressing cpu 24/7 you should be fine.}

Why as long as I am not stressing it? Just wondering what your reasoning is as I think 85c is what AMD officially calls "safe"...if I am constantly stressing it should I lower my overclock settings? Or are the VRMs your concern in your thought process?

[invisiblehand13]

1 minute ago, johndms said:

Package temp is the one you need to monitor, ignore the other 'CPU' temperature. If it goes much higher, you're reaching unsafe levels. 90+ would be very bad. Also, your vcore can't be 1.35 when your screenshot shows the max at 1.392, so I assume you've got 1.4v set in the bios. Aside from that, at 3.9GHz 78c is not bad. I'd continue with that stress test (uncheck system memory). If you can successfully run Aida64, stressing CPU/FPU/Cache for 3-4 hours, I'd say you're stable.

I was thinking the same thing with the vcore but in the bios I do actually have it set to 1.35 so I dunno if it is just because this motherboard does not have any llc settings or the VRMs just do what they want lol and why uncheck the system memory (just wondering your reasoning there)

[johndms]

1 minute ago, invisiblehand13 said:

I was thinking the same thing with the vcore but in the bios I do actually have it set to 1.35 so I dunno if it is just because this motherboard does not have any llc settings or the VRMs just do what they want lol and why uncheck the system memory (just wondering your reasoning there)

First, there's better ways of stress testing memory. If your purpose is to test a CPU overclock, you want to leave your ram out of the equation. Second, I have the same CPU and the ATX version of your board. You may be extremely lucky in the silicon lottery, but I'm unable to hit 3.9GHz without 1.4v vcore. Stress tests longer than an hour fail, repeatedly. And no, unfortunately our boards don't have LLC capabilities.

[johndms]

For your board, you should have the option to display the "CPU Diode" in Preferences to see the Package temperature. This is the temperature Ryzen Master software reports.

[invisiblehand13]

4 minutes ago, johndms said:

First, there's better ways of stress testing memory. If your purpose is to test a CPU overclock, you want to leave your ram out of the equation. Second, I have the same CPU and the ATX version of your board. You may be extremely lucky in the silicon lottery, but I'm unable to hit 3.9GHz without 1.4v vcore. Stress tests longer than an hour fail, repeatedly. And no, unfortunately our boards don't have LLC capabilities.

LMFAO, funny thing...as soon as my stress test got to 1 hour (just a minute ago now) it crashed...well I set it to 1.368 vcore and we will try again...what do you suggest for memory stressing? I want to get everything as stable as possible so totally open to suggestions since we share the same board/chipset...do you have the same ram by chance? I think I got lucky with the ram, it was listed as the only xmp profile for this ram straight to 3200 14-14-14-34 @1.35v and worked the first time (it should at freakin 200 bucks I suppose)

[invisiblehand13]

6 minutes ago, johndms said:

For your board, you should have the option to display the "CPU Diode" in Preferences to see the Package temperature. This is the temperature Ryzen Master software reports.

Awesome! thanks for the tip!

[johndms]

1 minute ago, invisiblehand13 said:

what do you suggest for memory stressing?

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/773966-comprehensive-memory-overclocking-guide/

Look at the section on Stress Testing.

3 minutes ago, invisiblehand13 said:

do you have the same ram by chance? I think I got lucky with the ram, it was listed as the only xmp profile for this ram straight to 3200 14-14-14-34 @1.35v and worked the first time (it should at freakin 200 bucks I suppose)

Sounds like you paid well for some Samsung B-Die. Good choice at those clocks. The kit in my signature is a cheaper Hynix M-Die setup at 2933.

[invisiblehand13]

3 minutes ago, johndms said:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/773966-comprehensive-memory-overclocking-guide/

Look at the section on Stress Testing.

Sounds like you paid well for some Samsung B-Die. Good choice at those clocks. The kit in my signature is a cheaper Hynix M-Die setup at 2933.

Does your bclock run at 99.8 too? I dunno why but it just bugs me it's not at 100

[johndms]

4 minutes ago, invisiblehand13 said:

Does your bclock run at 99.8 too? I dunno why but it just bugs me it's not at 100

Yeah, mine's the same. Welcome to the budget side of B350 boards. Maybe someone with more knowledge can explain why, but it's not something I concern myself with. Other boards allow adjusting of bclk frequency, so the difference doesn't make anything unstable.

 

I just noticed in your screenshot that your package temperature reached 87c maximum. I'd be concerned, especially if you're increasing voltage. To be safe, you may want to consider 3.8GHz, instead.

[DildorTheDecent]

5 minutes ago, invisiblehand13 said:

Does your bclock run at 99.8 too? I dunno why but it just bugs me it's not at 100

I know on the Intel side of things, it's called "Spread Spectrum". Used as a way to tackle EMI. Not like it's really a huge issue for most though. 

 

Could very well be called exactly the same thing for AMD. 

[invisiblehand13]

1 minute ago, DildorTheDecent said:

I know on the Intel side of things, it's called "Spread Spectrum". Used as a way to tackle EMI. Not like it's really a huge issue for most though. 

 

Could very well be called exactly the same thing for AMD. 

EMI? as in electromagnetic interference?

[invisiblehand13]

6 minutes ago, johndms said:

Yeah, mine's the same. Welcome to the budget side of B350 boards. Maybe someone with more knowledge can explain why, but it's not something I concern myself with. Other boards allow adjusting of bclk frequency, so the difference doesn't make anything unstable.

 

I just noticed in your screenshot that your package temperature reached 87c maximum. I'd be concerned, especially if you're increasing voltage. To be safe, you may want to consider 3.8GHz, instead.

yup just noticed it as well...at 3.7 I only had vcore to 1.27 and it worked like a charm...maybe I will go back down to that instead...grrrrr, or just keep messing with vcore at 3.8

[DildorTheDecent]

2 minutes ago, invisiblehand13 said:

EMI? as in electromagnetic interference?

yeah that. Disable spread spectrum when overclocking. Don't want clock to fluctuate. 

[johndms]

4 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

I know on the Intel side of things, it's called "Spread Spectrum". Used as a way to tackle EMI. Not like it's really a huge issue for most though. 

 

Could very well be called exactly the same thing for AMD. 

Thanks for this. More to research now, lol. After some Googling, it appears some boards offer the ability to disable Spread Spectrum. But I agree with you, it's probably not a huge issue.

[johndms]

9 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

yeah that. Disable spread spectrum when overclocking. Don't want clock to fluctuate. 

Guess I'll be looking at my budget ASRock uefi to see if that option is available. The quest for knowledge won't allow me to ignore this.

 

That moment when you put your computer to Sleep, and wonder why it's not rebooting.

 

Edit: I saw nothing that looked like Spread Spectrum in ASRock b350 uefi. Didn't really expect there to be, but had to make sure.

[invisiblehand13]

9 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

yeah that. Disable spread spectrum when overclocking. Don't want clock to fluctuate. 

well brb, lets see if I have that option or not...

[invisiblehand13]

17 minutes ago, johndms said:

Guess I'll be looking at my budget ASRock uefi to see if that option is available. The quest for knowledge won't allow me to ignore this.

 

That moment when you put your computer to Sleep, and wonder why it's not rebooting.

 

Edit: I saw nothing that looked like Spread Spectrum in ASRock b350 uefi. Didn't really expect there to be, but had to make sure.

wish I had read that before rebooting lol, well it wasn't a total loss...realized I still had "cool n quiet" enabled so disabled that at least...back to stability testing and thanks for the tip on the ram testing, be getting to that in a few hours if all goes well here at 3.8ghz with vcore at 1.28something and temps so far are maxing at 75c now...that's better, right? Might be getting an aio at this rate if I want to go any higher than 3.8 I guess

[johndms]

4 minutes ago, invisiblehand13 said:

wish I had read that before rebooting lol, well it wasn't a total loss...realized I still had "cool n quiet" enabled so disabled that at least...back to stability testing and thanks for the tip on the ram testing, be getting to that in a few hours if all goes well here at 3.8ghz with vcore at 1.28something and temps so far are maxing at 75c now...that's better, right? Might be getting an aio at this rate if I want to go any higher than 3.8 I guess

Well, you're already using an aftermarket air cooler (nice on vrm heatsinks). I'm not sure how it compares to my Noctua cooler (in signature), but my temperatures are significantly lower. At 3.8GHz 1.35v in Aida64 stressing CPU/FPU/Cache, I'm running on average 60c. In Prime95, I hit 64c. So that's with a much higher vcore and lower temps. I also must mention I'm using six 140mm fans to circulate 24c ambient air through my case, so I assume that helps. I use a lot of fans so I can turn the RPM down and have a nice, quiet setup.

[invisiblehand13]

6 minutes ago, johndms said:

Well, you're already using an aftermarket air cooler (nice on vrm heatsinks). I'm not sure how it compares to my Noctua cooler (in signature), but my temperatures are significantly lower. At 3.8GHz 1.35v in Aida64 stressing CPU/FPU/Cache, I'm running on average 60c. In Prime95, I hit 64c. So that's with a much higher vcore and lower temps. I also must mention I'm using six 140mm fans to circulate 24c ambient air through my case, so I assume that helps. I use a lot of fans so I can turn the RPM down and have a nice, quiet setup.

Well I am using it with a corsair sp120 fan instead of the fugly 140 low profile one it came with so maybe I just need to ramp up my fan speed....and I have 3 additional sp120 fans set as exhaust (1 rear and 2 top) and then 2 phanteks 140mm for intake on the front so I don't think airflow is my problem but the sp120's are the corsair "quiet" editions so maybe I just need to max my fan settings for the cpu fan...

[johndms]

3 minutes ago, invisiblehand13 said:

Well I am using it with a corsair sp120 fan instead of the fugly 140 low profile one it came with so maybe I just need to ramp up my fan speed....and I have 3 additional sp120 fans set as exhaust (1 rear and 2 top) and then 2 phanteks 140mm for intake on the front so I don't think airflow is my problem but the sp120's are the corsair "quiet" editions so maybe I just need to max my fan settings for the cpu fan...

Sounds like adequate case cooling. If adjusting the CPU fan speed doesn't help, perhaps re-seating the cooler with fresh TIM will improve temps. Keep in mind, in my opinion, if your temps are below 80c, you're within safe levels. Approaching and exceeding 90c would be dangerous. So it's up to you how much time you want to dedicate on it and how comfortable you are with those temps.