Need help with budget Amd options

[Trentius_]

Alright so I am helping a friend of mine get a newish budget rig going, but here is the problem. Originally he had an old 775 Pentium D that got fried along with the motherboard by a cheap PSU, his HD 4870X2 survived and I need to know if the HD 4870X2 with a Ryzen 3 1200 would outperform a A12-9800 with the R7 IGPU and what the better option would be for playing current games at 1080p. I theorized that since the A12-9800 is running Polaris it would be supported better than the 4870X2 (and use less power) and probably perform better as well, but the only comparison I can find is Passmark and that doesn't seem to be correct as it has the A10-9700 beating the A12-9800 across the board (cpu and gpu). 

[Trentius_]

He wants a Ryzen 5 Upgrade path that is why its only AM4 chips.

[Mauricio G. B.]

the 4870X2 performs about the same as a GTX 750, so yes, it will outperform the R7 IGPU, a really REALLY Cheap Gaming build, would be the Following

AMD Athlon X4 965 (the AM4 variant)
Thermaltake ContacSilent12 (super cheap towercooler compatible with AM4) oc the fuck out of amd
Literally Any B350 Motherboard (consider the ones with VRM coolers for OC)
any 8gb Ram (2400+ recomended)
RX 550-560 or GTX 1050-1050ti
Any 500w bronze psu
any tower casse
any hdd/ssd combo

[LienusLateTips]

A12 uses bulldozer

 

Go R3. At least that's what I think, listen to other people too.

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, Mauricio G. B. said:

Any 500w bronze psu

pretty much any day a 450W bronze unit that is quality is cheaper than a crappy 500 one

[Trentius_]

6 minutes ago, Mauricio G. B. said:

Literally Any B350 Motherboard (consider the ones with VRM coolers for OC)

What about some of the Asus A320 boards that have been able to OC with software from Asus?

[Mauricio G. B.]

Just now, Trentius_ said:

What about some of the Asus A320 boards that have been able to OC with software from Asus?

Never OC with software, if you actually want a good OC

[Trentius_]

Just now, Mauricio G. B. said:

Never OC with software, if you actually want a good OC

Good point but I am the one that OCed his temporary laptops Gpu an extra 200mhz with Afterburner

[Mauricio G. B.]

Just now, Trentius_ said:

Good point but I am the one that OCed his temporary laptops Gpu an extra 200mhz with Afterburner

ill rephrase it, a good CPU overclock is done throught the bios, hence the B350 chipset needed, the GPUs are done with software

[Trentius_]

http://hwbench.com/vgas/radeon-hd-4870-x2-vs-geforce-gtx-750

13 minutes ago, Mauricio G. B. said:

the 4870X2 performs about the same as a GTX 750

http://hwbench.com/vgas/radeon-hd-4870-x2-vs-geforce-gtx-750 What about the terascale thing?

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, Trentius_ said:

http://hwbench.com/vgas/radeon-hd-4870-x2-vs-geforce-gtx-750

http://hwbench.com/vgas/radeon-hd-4870-x2-vs-geforce-gtx-750 What about the terascale thing?

It's just an older architecture, think of it like thermi vs pascal or maxwell

[Mauricio G. B.]

Just now, Trentius_ said:

http://hwbench.com/vgas/radeon-hd-4870-x2-vs-geforce-gtx-750

http://hwbench.com/vgas/radeon-hd-4870-x2-vs-geforce-gtx-750 What about the terascale thing?

eh, i have no idea, but ive had both cards (well i had 2 4870s) and the games ran about the same, the thing is that if crossfire isnt supported it will be outperformed, i suggest just building a whole new system

[Trentius_]

Just now, Mauricio G. B. said:

 i suggest just building a whole new system

One problem ~$300 budget for a cpu, mobo, ram and psu. How badly does the Gpu in the A12-9800 perform because the benchmarks I saw showed it doing slightly better than the 4870X2?

[Mauricio G. B.]

Just now, Trentius_ said:

One problem ~$300 budget for a cpu, mobo, ram and psu. How badly does the Gpu in the A12-9800 perform because the benchmarks I saw showed it doing slightly better than the 4870X2?

nah, its the same from the PRevious A10 chips, but with DDR4 is a Strong performer, i would Still Suggest the Athlon (wich is basically the A12 without the igpu) and the RX 550, is just that the APU should ONLY be considered if theres no plan on upgrading to a videocard in the short term, and ive tested heavily with an A10-7850k, if its an extreme budget system for 300, go ahead, it would be enough for any esport title

[Trentius_]

He is a big CSGO player but wants to try some Rust, Overwatch and Pubg. My first build was at the same budget and I got an A10-6800k and it was able to do good enough to keep me happy till I got a 960 and now with a 1060 I am mid switch to Ryzen 7 as the cpu bottleneck is bad enough to cause the gpu to timeout due to the PCIE 2.0 interface its running on but the ddr4 prices are high and the Canadian dollar is low though now I have some extra money from Eth mining.

[Trentius_]

10 minutes ago, Mauricio G. B. said:

nah, its the same from the PRevious A10 chips, but with DDR4 is a Strong performer, i would Still Suggest the Athlon (wich is basically the A12 without the igpu) and the RX 550, is just that the APU should ONLY be considered if theres no plan on upgrading to a videocard in the short term, and ive tested heavily with an A10-7850k, if its an extreme budget system for 300, go ahead, it would be enough for any esport title

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=3662&cmp[]=98&cmp[]=2825