Overclocking Ryzen 1600 - First Timer.

[Tz000]

 

I have created a build thread here so you can see my PC specs etc  Link:

Now onto my questions / concerns.

 

I decided to overclock my Ryzen 1600 last night, this is running on a MSI Gaming pro Carbon MOBO w/ stock cooler  &  EVGA Supernova 80+ 650w Full modular PSU. 

 

I achieved 3.7Ghz with voltage set to Auto & 1.3v both very stable and similar Cinebench scores of 1215 & 1219 respectively.  Ram is at 2400Mhz if you didn't already look at my build log thread.

 

It seems everyone is easily able to get to 3.8Ghz without question on these chips and I know I probably wont see a massive performance gain from the 3.7Ghz I got but whenever I try to go 3.8 no matter what voltage I throw at it (never went past 1.4v) it just runs like crap and sometimes not at all. 

 

Is this just the luck of the draw / "silicone lottery"  or am I doing something incorrectly?

 

I also noticed putting in any voltage at or higher than 1.4v in the bios the text turns red once inputted what's the deal with that? 

 

Should I leave the voltage in Auto or?

 

Any help, suggestions or links to similar threads is much appreciated.

 

Thanks for looking.

 

-TZ

[DeScruff]

Im not an OC expert, but just from what Ive gathered reading various peoples posts these are a couple of things I can think of:

Ryzen BIOs are still in their infancy, who knows maybe some stability will come with later revisions. I seem to recall similar situations happening with other platforms when they were introduced

It seems like a consensus is that 3.7 is a fairly common OC on the stock heatsink.
I haven't read enough to know how far people can push the R5 with better cooling but everything points to 4Ghz being a limit on Ryzen in general, with only unicorns able to pass that.
- You might just have a chip that can only get to 3.7...

As for the voltage thing. I don't know much about your board's bios,
But my first guess on why 1.4v is in red is because AMD recommends sticking to 1.35 volts.
I don't know how much Ryzen can actually take above that, So it might be just MSI giving you a fair warning "your going above specification." or that you are getting close to a safety limit?. exc.

Personally I'd start seeing how low you can get the voltage and maintain 3.7. If only for lower temps.

[Tz000]

2 hours ago, Sypran said:

Im not an OC expert, but just from what Ive gathered reading various peoples posts these are a couple of things I can think of:

Ryzen BIOs are still in their infancy, who knows maybe some stability will come with later revisions. I seem to recall similar situations happening with other platforms when they were introduced

It seems like a consensus is that 3.7 is a fairly common OC on the stock heatsink.
I haven't read enough to know how far people can push the R5 with better cooling but everything points to 4Ghz being a limit on Ryzen in general, with only unicorns able to pass that.
- You might just have a chip that can only get to 3.7...

As for the voltage thing. I don't know much about your board's bios,
But my first guess on why 1.4v is in red is because AMD recommends sticking to 1.35 volts.
I don't know how much Ryzen can actually take above that, So it might be just MSI giving you a fair warning "your going above specification." or that you are getting close to a safety limit?. exc.

Personally I'd start seeing how low you can get the voltage and maintain 3.7. If only for lower temps.

Thanks for the suggestions.

 

I just put my OC back to 3.7Ghz and Auto on the voltage and ran a few tests and didnt see more than 1.264v.

 

it just seems with that info in mind the chip could go further but like you said could be an infant bios issue.

[JakeNTech]

2 hours ago, Tz000 said:

Thanks for the suggestions.

 

I just put my OC back to 3.7Ghz and Auto on the voltage and ran a few tests and didnt see more than 1.264v.

 

it just seems with that info in mind the chip could go further but like you said could be an infant bios issue.

Over clocking is a fine art. The trick is to go up in small increments and test using the games or other stuff you use on the system. Make sure the bios is upto date. Ryzen had a few bios issues when it was launche but they have been mainly ironed out.  If cooling is an issue I would look into getting a beefy air cooler.....water cooling is a bit risky.

The best program to monitor voltages seems to be HWMONITOR but that's on lga775 so your milage may vary on ryzen

[Salacious B Crum]

2 hours ago, fixitnow said:

 If cooling is an issue I would look into getting a beefy air cooler.....water cooling is a bit risky.

Can you elaborate? An aio is plug and play and keeps my 1800x 3.95 overclock stable at 65-70c @ full load in aida64 My 1600x is on air and struggles to maintain decent temps during overclocking

[JakeNTech]

22 minutes ago, mrbilky said:

Can you elaborate? An aio is plug and play and keeps my 1800x 3.95 overclock stable at 65-70c @ full load in aida64 My 1600x is on air and struggles to maintain decent temps during overclocking

AIOS are a pain when they start to die and can go unoticed on there way out. And custom cooling is risky. I once had a custom water cooled system and the head on the res blew off dumping it's coolent over my rig. 

Also I do know what an aio is.

[Tz000]

21 hours ago, fixitnow said:

Over clocking is a fine art. The trick is to go up in small increments and test using the games or other stuff you use on the system. Make sure the bios is upto date. Ryzen had a few bios issues when it was launche but they have been mainly ironed out.  If cooling is an issue I would look into getting a beefy air cooler.....water cooling is a bit risky.

The best program to monitor voltages seems to be HWMONITOR but that's on lga775 so your milage may vary on ryzen

Thanks for the suggestions.  

 

I understand the risks involved with any form of water cooling and that may be a thing to save for the future.  I do not need  that kind of performance at the moment anyway.  If I was going to water cool my PC I would go all out and do a custom loop.

 

[mapegl]

12 minutes ago, Tz000 said:

Thanks for the suggestions.  

 

I understand the risks involved with any form of water cooling and that may be a thing to save for the future.  I do not need  that kind of performance at the moment anyway.  If I was going to water cool my PC I would go all out and do a custom loop.

 

I have a 1600 as well and I would advise against water. It is just not worth it. You can get pretty far on air and if you have 3.7 or 3.8 is probably no big difference in performance and 4.0 is something a lot of people won't achieve anyways or only with very high power draw. Obviously there are some people with good results as well. 

I am happy with my 3.7 since I can get that with only a bit more than stock voltage and I was able to get that of easily on the stock cooler. Get fast ram instead. Ryzen really likes that and it will boost performance a bit and not introduce more heat. 

[JakeNTech]

4 hours ago, Tz000 said:

Thanks for the suggestions.  

 

I understand the risks involved with any form of water cooling and that may be a thing to save for the future.  I do not need  that kind of performance at the moment anyway.  If I was going to water cool my PC I would go all out and do a custom loop.

 

The ryzen stock coolers are pretty good at overclocking.....and are miles ahead of the Intel stock cooler's lol

[Tz000]

59 minutes ago, fixitnow said:

The ryzen stock coolers are pretty good at overclocking.....and are miles ahead of the Intel stock cooler's lol

Was just playing around and found that my windows power settings being a new build were set to balanced I switched to max performance and was able to hit:

 

3.8Ghz @ 1.30v.  Cinebench score was 1236 temps were 65-70 with cpu fan cranked up.

 

Also got 3.9 to post into the desktop but was getting the auto throttle down to 1.5Ghz upon trying to open applications etc couldnt find a stable voltage for 3.9 tried 3.85 and it went down to 1.5 automatically as well.

[JakeNTech]

4 minutes ago, Tz000 said:

Was just playing around and found that my windows power settings being a new build were set to balanced I switched to max performance and was able to hit:

 

3.8Ghz @ 1.30v.  Cinebench score was 1236 temps were 65-70 with cpu fan cranked up.

 

Also got 3.9 to post into the desktop but was getting the auto throttle down to 1.5Ghz upon trying to open applications etc couldnt find a stable voltage for 3.9 tried 3.85 and it went down to 1.5 automatically as well.

Ace. Can get my Q6700 to about 3.4GHz stable. I can't remember what any of my other computers are running at