Budget pc

[Ryguy6011]

One of my friends is trying to build a new mid range gaming pc, his old pc died a couple days ago and he is working on a budget of 850 US dollars. He has a copy of windows covered. I am not very good at finding what's best value for parts so any help would be appreciated. Thanks 

[DocSwag]

Does he need monitor and peripherals or no?

[aisle9]

Once again, I highly, highly, highly recommend either buying a cheap and/or used GPU (like a 750 Ti) as a temporary fix or running with integrated graphics until the price of an RX 580 returns to reality or the price of a GTX 1070 comes down. The 1060 is a terrible buy at this price:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($199.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($83.45 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: ADATA - XPG Z1 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  ($67.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($89.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.44 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB OCV1 Video Card  ($258.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($26.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $830.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-20 22:37 EDT-0400

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($199.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VDH Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($74.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($114.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($87.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.44 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB OCV1 Video Card  ($258.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Apevia - X-QTIS-BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($26.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $842.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-20 22:41 EDT-0400

[SquintyG33Rs]

I would go with the 1500x rather than the 1600 here on what was suggested higher because you maintain stuff like the cash while losing 2 cores dropping the price but not so much the performance (I actually have the chip, at 3.9GHz it's comparable to a i7-4790k@4.6GHz that i had before even thought i pushed that chip to 4.8).

 

Secondly i would suggest trying to find the single website that has everything at overall the cheapest price, it will be easier to manage and the shipping doesn't add up because multiple items end up in the same box cutting down the cost.

 

Otherwise I think the suggestions are totally sensible and will satisfy anybody buying it. one very important thing to note is memory is still very finicky on Ryzen and you should make sure what ever you choose will absolutely work at XMP advertised speeds because this affects performance allot on Ryzen, almost 1 to 1 (a 30% speed increase on memory will result in a 30% score increase on CPU benchmarks and overall performance).

Be very thorough here down to individual timings of different kits. for example the trident Z at cas16 has problems and won't run nice while cas14 kits have no problems.

[DocSwag]

1 minute ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

I would go with the 1500x rather than the 1600 here on what was suggested higher because you maintain stuff like the cash while losing 2 cores dropping the price but not so much the performance (I actually have the chip, at 3.9GHz it's comparable to a i7-4790k@4.6GHz that i had before even thought i pushed that chip to 4.8).

 

Secondly i would suggest trying to find the single website that has everything at overall the cheapest price, it will be easier to manage and the shipping doesn't add up because multiple items end up in the same box cutting down the cost.

 

Otherwise I think the suggestions are totally sensible and will satisfy anybody buying it. one very important thing to note is memory is still very finicky on Ryzen and you should make sure what ever you choose will absolutely work at XMP advertised speeds because this affects performance allot on Ryzen, almost 1 to 1 (a 30% speed increase on memory will result in a 30% score increase on CPU benchmarks and overall performance).

Be very thorough here down to individual timings of different kits. for example the trident Z at cas16 has problems and won't run nice while cas14 kits have no problems.

Even 4 ghz 1500x is behind stock 1600x. Especially in minimums.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2875-amd-r5-1600x-1500x-review-fading-i5-argument/page-4

 

I think it's worth going for.

[SquintyG33Rs]

7 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Even 4 ghz 1500x is behind stock 1600x. Especially in minimums.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2875-amd-r5-1600x-1500x-review-fading-i5-argument/page-4

 

I think it's worth going for.

of course it's better that's not my point. What i was trying to say is you can save the money there and still have perfectly decent performance. and the memory is so much harder to get to work to pull the max out of your CPU that it's kinda better to focus there.

and i'm not pulling this out of my ass, i have 2 1500x and a 1700 on 2 different MSI motherboards and i've been messing with them for all of last week.

oh on that topic take the ASUS board, the AI tuner features will make your life so much easier.

 

btw the suggestions are for the 1600 not the 1600x

[DocSwag]

3 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

of course it's better that's not my point. What i was trying to say is you can save the money there and still have perfectly decent performance. and the memory is so much harder to get to work to pull the max out of your CPU that it's kinda better to focus there.

As shown by Herman, you can't fit 3000 MHz ram in there. With agesa 1.0.0.6 rolling out I'm pretty sure that ram can hit 2933, and there's not much higher you can go with more expensive ram. The cores are more important imo.

[SquintyG33Rs]

9 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

As shown by Herman, you can't fit 3000 MHz ram in there. With agesa 1.0.0.6 rolling out I'm pretty sure that ram can hit 2933, and there's not much higher you can go with more expensive ram. The cores are more important imo.

I thought so too but the ram added performance is just as big and it's more scalable since you can buy a wider variety of speeds. and if you do your research fully you can find the sweet spot memory because it's really not about what the spec sheets shows. you can't even run XMP on some kits. trust me i've tested this.

Maybe you're right because at least the extra cores are guarantied benefits. but watch out for the ram man, you could end up paying more and just not getting any of the extra advertised power.

[BinaryMan76]

Paul's hardware has a Ryzen build for 700 USD in the link below. There is also a parts list in the description.

https://youtu.be/VdFJf2Og0Ck

 

[Ryguy6011]

So the intel i5 7500 is not a good use of money combined with a 1050 ti? 

[DocSwag]

11 hours ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

I thought so too but the ram added performance is just as big and it's more scalable since you can buy a wider variety of speeds. and if you do your research fully you can find the sweet spot memory because it's really not about what the spec sheets shows. you can't even run XMP on some kits. trust me i've tested this.

Maybe you're right because at least the extra cores are guarantied benefits. but watch out for the ram man, you could end up paying more and just not getting any of the extra advertised power.

Yeah I know it is. 2933 tends to be the sweet spot though, imo.

 

Yeah XMP doesn't work on some right now, but the AGESA update should help with this.

[SquintyG33Rs]

15 hours ago, Ryguy6011 said:

So the intel i5 7500 is not a good use of money combined with a 1050 ti? 

not really no