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[domandric034]

1 minute ago, vlb6 said:

Say something goes wrong with Windows and I need to contact support, would I still be able to do that with Kinguin?
I originally set the frequency to 2400 as this is the max the CPU can support, or maybe this is just a guideline? - source here:

http://ark.intel.com/products/94188/Intel-Core-i7-6850K-Processor-15M-Cache-up-to-3_80-GHz

 

thanks for your reply

Yeah but you dont need 32 bit. Thats true then get rather from MS store. Move away from Intel. Ryzen destroys intel in heavy workload like CAD, Video editing...

[vlb6]

34 minutes ago, Shiv78 said:

That is overkill, 850W is enough

PSUs with higher wattage** (not voltage) won't do anything harmful

thanks for this

I've had others mention  - could you post a link to where I can read up on this for myself?
In regard to the higher wattage causing the components to not work to their best - I saw this in Linus' video here at 1:25  -

 

[Sir Asvald]

11 minutes ago, domandric034 said:

Great build but couldn't he get Windows for $30 on Kinguin ?

And you can put up frequency of RAM. No other complains

Yes, could do that.  

 

15 minutes ago, vlb6 said:

Hey man,

 

this is brilliant! - thanks for taking the time to help here!

I don't know much about AMD I am just aware that the platform has it's quirks (but like any for that matter) so just went for something I had used before

 

Only prob here is that I have 16GB at the office and it is a struggle - 64 is what I need preferably even 128 (somewhere down the line) which this motherboard doesn't support
but I can always find some other options for these.

 

BUT, once again, big  thank you for this - AMD might be a noteworthy path, I will do more research.
 

I see, well whatever you choose it's your decision, we'ere here to help and assist. Any help you need, PM me.

 

 

[Shiv78]

3 minutes ago, domandric034 said:

Yeah but you dont need 32 bit. Thats true then get rather from MS store. Move away from Intel. Ryzen destroys intel in heavy workload like CAD, Video editing...

yup

we can safely assume that Threadripper will do the same when paired with 3000MHz+ RAM especially since the new LGA TR4 socket shows us that Threadripper is essentially dual CPUs in one socket, and since Ryzen is already 2 CPUs glued together with Infinity Fabric you basically have 4 now lol

[vlb6]

4 minutes ago, domandric034 said:

Move away from Intel. Ryzen destroys intel in heavy workload like CAD, Video editing...

Again thanks, can you link me to any sources for this so I can read up on it?

[domandric034]

8 minutes ago, vlb6 said:

Again thanks, can you link me to any sources for this so I can read up on it?

Go on youtube and search videos about it. It has double the cores compared to i7, insane amount of cache and 55% IPC improvement over old failure FX.

[vlb6]

8 minutes ago, Shiv78 said:

yup

we can safely assume that Threadripper will do the same when paired with 3000MHz+ RAM especially since the new LGA TR4 socket shows us that Threadripper is essentially dual CPUs in one socket, and since Ryzen is already 2 CPUs glued together with Infinity Fabric you basically have 4 now lol

I'm a bit lost here, so what is the name/model of the CPU I should look out for which will have these prospective 4 CPU's in one?

[TheCherryKing]

2 minutes ago, vlb6 said:

I'm a bit lost here, so what is the name/model of the CPU I should look out for which will have these prospective 4 CPU's in one?

If you want to get an AMD CPU I recommend the R9 1998X.

 

[vlb6]

28 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

This thread is not about X299 vs threadripper. go make a thread about that if you wish to discuss it and I will tell you why your argument doesn't make sense. In the meantime lets help @vlb6 with his needs.

It's good to hear about all this new stuff coming out - but I haven't seen any prices set in stone nor any release dates

I am will genuinely consider AMD if I can find a link that adds some authority to the claim that it smashes Intel for CAD, video editing etc
+ Isn't new stuff always going to be coming out? What do you think?

[vlb6]

5 minutes ago, TheCherryKing said:

If you want to get an AMD CPU I recommend the R9 1998X.

 

Bearing in mind I never run more then 3 programs at a time and don't do any CPU rendering, you reckon I'd still need this?

 

thanks for the post

 

[vlb6]

19 minutes ago, Abdul201588 said:

Yes, could do that.  

 

I see, well whatever you choose it's your decision, we'ere here to help and assist. Any help you need, PM me.

 

 

Brilliant - will do!
Thanks for the contribution

[Zyndo]

Just now, vlb6 said:

It's good to hear about all this new stuff coming out - but I haven't seen any prices set in stone nor any release dates

I am will genuinely consider AMD if I can find a link that adds some authority to the claim that it smashes Intel for CAD, video editing etc
+ Isn't new stuff always going to be coming out? What do you think?

Threadripper, in all likelihood, won't be outright better than Intel's core I9's (depending on which variants of the two you compare)... but its going to be a hell of a lot cheaper. If money is no object and all you want is best of the best, X299 is going to be the investment for you. but when you factor in cost threadripper becomes very appealing very quickly.

as far as set in stone pricing goes, its already been announced TR 16c is supposed to be 849 MSRP (I believe) and X299 has costs ranging from  $400-$2000 depending on how many cores/lanes you want.

[vlb6]

1 minute ago, Zyndo said:

Threadripper, in all likelihood, won't be outright better than Intel's core I9's (depending on which variants of the two you compare)... but its going to be a hell of a lot cheaper. If money is no object and all you want is best of the best, X299 is going to be the investment for you. but when you factor in cost threadripper becomes very appealing very quickly.

as far as set in stone pricing goes, its already been announced TR 16c is supposed to be 849 MSRP (I believe) and X299 has costs ranging from  $400-$2000 depending on how many cores/lanes you want.

I am looking to save where I can so it does sound appealing.
For someone running no more than 3 programs at a time and does no CPU rendering , won't 6 cores be enough?
Also, how are they selling 16 core for similar price to Intel's 6 core?? surely too good to be true

[Zyndo]

27 minutes ago, vlb6 said:

Also, how are they selling 16 core for similar price to Intel's 6 core?? surely too good to be true

well you're comparing older generation stuff. in reality, the 16c threadripper (if 849 turns out to be its real price) falls between the 8 core and 10 core i9's of the X299 lineup. still a pretty big disparity, i know, but its not 6 core territory anymore (at least not in the coming weeks).

As far as how they do it? if you believe the critics, its because Intel is a bunch of money hungry whores who will milk every last dollar out of their consumers whether its worth it or not. Whilst its true you do tend to pay a premium for Intel products... they also tend to be better than the competition. their cores tend to be faster (both in IPC and clockspeeds) than AMD's do, and also tend to run a bit more efficiently.

 

so yes, you get less cores, but its not always just about core count. lets wait for benchmarks and reviews and we shall see.

[vlb6]

19 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

well you're comparing older generation stuff. in reality, the 16c threadripper (if 849 turns out to be its real price) falls between the 8 core and 10 core i9's of the X299 lineup. still a pretty big disparity, i know, but its not 6 core territory anymore (at least not in the coming weeks).

As far as how they do it? if you believe the critics, its because Intel is a bunch of money hungry whores who will milk every last dollar out of their consumers whether its worth it or not. Whilst its true you do tend to pay a premium for Intel products... they also tend to be better than the competition. their cores tend to be faster (both in IPC and clockspeeds) than AMD's do, and also tend to run a bit more efficiently.

 

so yes, you get less cores, but its not always just about core count. lets wait for benchmarks and reviews and we shall see.

right this helps - gotchya!

I've just looked at the X299 ones and the cheapest one which supports 44 lanes is £800 pounds - double the price of the 6850K
I suppose on my end I need to do more research into which out of AMD and Intel is more optimal for the software I use.

[Zyndo]

19 minutes ago, vlb6 said:

right this helps - gotchya!

I've just looked at the X299 ones and the cheapest one which supports 44 lanes is £800 pounds - double the price of the 6850K
I suppose on my end I need to do more research into which out of AMD and Intel is more optimal for the software I use.

I mean maybe i'm wrong. maybe if all the work you're doing primarily benefits from GPU acceleration and compute and whatnot... then maytbe you really don't need the extra power of TR/i9 and maybe Ryzen is the way to go for you.

[vlb6]

13 hours ago, Zyndo said:

I mean maybe i'm wrong. maybe if all the work you're doing primarily benefits from GPU acceleration and compute and whatnot... then maytbe you really don't need the extra power of TR/i9 and maybe Ryzen is the way to go for you.

Either way Zyndo, all this extra info is good.

 

To wrap up this post, for anyone still reading who is in a similar situation and is interested in what I opted for; as someone new to hardware it seems to me the case is this:

 

- The cheapest 44 lane Intel i9 CPU is double the price of the 6850K and you don't even get double the cores.
- On the AMD side, Threadripper is promising up to 16 Cores, with the 16 Core one rumored on social media at roughly £600. I don't see how they have an 8 core one out for less than £400 but they will do extra 10 Cores for £200. This is heavy speculation on my end but I think they will release 16 Core one which will be £1000+ and then 14,12 and 10 Core models, one of the 10 or 12 will be around £800 and so you will be paying £400 extra than the 6850K for either 4 or 6 more Cores, it seems more coherent with their sales strategy which seems to be which is based around charging less than Intel.

- Currently there's the 8 Core AMD  that is cheaper than the 6 Core 6850K but it comes down to preference, I don't know of anyone in my industry working on an AMD so Intel is the winner for me here.