Gaming CPU needed

[Vandorlot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vyBGzM

I'm doing gaming. Will this build be better off with Ryzen 1600 or intel i5 7600k. Don't include price in your reasoning or stock cooler.

On a seperate note, im not using that exact model of 1060.  

[ARikozuM]

Why not get a 1500 and a 1070?

[Vandorlot]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

Why not get a 1500 and a 1070?

Ill consider it, but right now i need to know where to pick amd or intel.

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Vandorlot said:

Ill consider it, but right now i need to know where to pick amd or intel.

Either one would be good. Just depends on how far you can push the chip and how well the engines can use more cores with a good spread for single-threaded functions. 

 

I'd prefer to go with a 1500 since it has a higher frequency which single-threaded functions prefer while the SMT can help schedule multi-threaded functions to whichever core is available. I'd look to see what benchmarks show between them and extrapolate from that.

[scottyseng]

6 minutes ago, Vandorlot said:

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Maybe consider a locked 7700 as well?

 

Though I'd agree with @ARikozuM I'd also go for a 1500 and try to squeeze a 1070 in somehow.

[Zyndo]

8 minutes ago, Vandorlot said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vyBGzM

I'm doing gaming. Will this build be better off with Ryzen 1600 or intel i5 7600k. Don't include price in your reasoning or stock cooler.

On a seperate note, im not using that exact model of 1060.  

The one and only reason to go Intel right now (7600k or 7700k) is for high refresh rate gaming (120+ fps). The vast majority of people should be making a Ryzen build at the moment, yourself included. Use the saved money by going Ryzen to invest in a better GPU, rather than spending more on an intel CPU with a weaker GPU. GPU's make a great deal more difference than CPU's do (provided your CPU is at a certain performance threshold, which so far all Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 CPU's are beyond)

[JohnnyCorporalTech]

1600, because, the more cores the merrier.

[ARikozuM]

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CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($185.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($108.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  (Purchased For $103.00) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (Purchased For $220.00) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($0.00) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card  ($380.89 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400S TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $90.00) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - M12II 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $39.99) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($89.89 @ OutletPC) 
Case Fan: be quiet! - Pure Wings 2 61.2 CFM  140mm Fan  ($8.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case Fan: be quiet! - Pure Wings 2 61.2 CFM  140mm Fan  ($8.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Monitor: LG - 29UM67P 29.0" 2560x1080 60Hz Monitor  (Purchased For $250.00) 
Keyboard: Razer - Anansi Wired Gaming Keyboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Mouse: Razer - Naga Hex Wired Laser Mouse  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Headphones: Kingston - HyperX Cloud Stinger  Headset  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1536.61
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Ryzen 1500X build. 

 

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[JohnnyCorporalTech]

@ARikozuM

 

were you sitting on the fence and couldn't decide when you voted?

 

[ARikozuM]

Just now, JohnnyCorporalTech said:

@ARikozuM

 

were you sitting on the fence and couldn't decide when you voted?

 

It would depend on the program. A 7600K would likely smoke the 1600 when a program relies heavily on single-threaded functions. The Ryzen would win out if there are many multi-threaded functions if the engine allows more than 4 physical cores to be used. BF1 was an interesting benchmark where the 7600K and 1600X came very close to minimum Hz with the 1600X having more slightly more stability though the average were 16-20Hz below the i5.

[He_162]

11 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

It would depend on the program. A 7600K would likely smoke the 1600 when a program relies heavily on single-threaded functions. The Ryzen would win out if there are many multi-threaded functions if the engine allows more than 4 physical cores to be used. BF1 was an interesting benchmark where the 7600K and 1600X came very close to minimum Hz with the 1600X having more slightly more stability though the average were 16-20Hz below the i5.

The way SMT assigns threads to cores allows it to achieve similar performance in single threaded games to any Kaby Lake CPU.

 

Actually, all three cores on a single CCX have worked together on occasion in Arma 3 for me, and provide a playable smooth experience, whereas no i5 can play the game as well.

 

Ryzen also runs most other games easily at above 60 FPS, so I suggest Ryzen.

[tim11111111]

I would wait for the New i5 7600x CPU to come out since it will be the same price.

There is also the fact that minimum frame rates are better in a considerable amount of games on ryzen, although most of them the difference isn't that much.

Right now the 1600 is still a few frames behind an i5 7600k @ 5ghz in most games(with gtx 1080ti and highend cards around 1080 level)

However, if your graphics card is a gtx 1060 or rx 480 the difference isn't really noticeable and the gap disappears when you go above 1080p.

The 1600 does get closer to the i5 with Higher ram speeds.

 

[He_162]

1 minute ago, tim11111111 said:

I would wait for the New i5 7600x CPU to come out since it will be the same price.

Right now the 1600 is still a few frames behind an i5 7600k @ 5ghz in most games(with gtx 1080ti and highend cards around 1080 level)

However, if your graphics card is a gtx 1060 or rx 480 the difference isn't really noticeable and the gap disappears when you go above 1080p.

The 1600 does get closer to the i5 with Higher ram speeds.

 

Even if he gets a GTX 1070, it will get the same or within 5% of the i5's frames, while delivering up to 3x the multithreaded performance. No thanks for the i5, i'd rather the 6 core.

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, He_162 said:

The way SMT assigns threads to cores allows it to achieve similar performance in single threaded games to any Kaby Lake CPU.

Nothing beats raw IPC and speed when it comes to single-threaded functions. You simply can't afford to offload portions of a S-T function to core 1 and then core 2. Latency would kill whatever function is needed were it to be shared among cores.

[Not_Sean]

6 minutes ago, tim11111111 said:

I would wait for the New i5 7600x CPU to come out since it will be the same price.

Right now the 1600 is still a few frames behind an i5 7600k @ 5ghz in most games(with gtx 1080ti and highend cards around 1080 level)

However, if your graphics card is a gtx 1060 or rx 480 the difference isn't really noticeable and the gap disappears when you go above 1080p.

The 1600 does get closer to the i5 with Higher ram speeds.

 

only issue with that is you are looking at nice expensive motherboard prices and for a gaming rig better putting that budget into going from 1060 to 1070. 

[tim11111111]

Yes you are correct, but if he's only gaming then he should wait for the i5 7600x just to see what it offers.

The 1600 is very capable and if he buys it right now, im sure it won't disappoint at all.

In fact, like we witnessed with Ashes of the Singularity, if games are optimized for ryzen , the gap between intel is non existent.

Also i just noticed 1060 so there won't be difference that'll be noticeable for OP.

[He_162]

4 minutes ago, tim11111111 said:

Yes you are correct, but if he's only gaming then he should wait for the i5 7600x just to see what it offers.

The 1600 is very capable and if he buys it right now, im sure it won't disappoint at all.

In fact, like we witnessed with Ashes of the Singularity, if games are optimized for ryzen , the gap between intel is non existent.

Also i just noticed 1060 so there won't be difference that'll be noticeable for OP.

You can't play Arma, Ark, DayZ, PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds, etc on the i5.

[tim11111111]

Not_Shean-" only issue with that is you are looking at nice expensive motherboard prices and for a gaming rig better putting that budget into going from 1060 to 1070."

How much do you think a z370 board will be? Your right i Haven't considered that but some z270 are around 130$ right now, not much more then a b350 tomahawk.

OP doesn't want price involved though.

[tim11111111]

Arma 3 doesn't look to bad on an i5 5ghz oc.

Although the Ryzen 5 is great too even with 2133mhz ram.

Keep in mind setting might be different for each test

[ARikozuM]

15 minutes ago, He_162 said:

You can't play Arma

Yes, you can. 

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, Ark

You can, though the game has a terrible graphics engine known as "drunk hunter-gatherer".

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, DayZ

Not playing the top Early Access game for the 5th 6th year in a row.

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, PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds

No idea what this is so won't comment.

 

[done12many2]

1 hour ago, He_162 said:

The way SMT assigns threads to cores allows it to achieve similar performance in single threaded games to any Kaby Lake CPU.

 

Actually, all three cores on a single CCX have worked together on occasion in Arma 3 for me, and provide a playable smooth experience, whereas no i5 can play the game as well.

 

Are you saying that AMD has somehow figured out a way to distribute a single-threaded task across multiple cores?

[SpaceGhostC2C]

2 hours ago, tim11111111 said:

Yes you are correct, but if he's only gaming then he should wait for the i5 7600x just to see what it offers.

It offers exactly an i5-7600K in a more needlessly expensive motherboard, since it doesn't use any of the advantages of X299.

 

The i5 is still a good gaming chip, the problem is that it has become too expensive for what it is in the current market.

[Vandorlot]

15 hours ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

It offers exactly an i5-7600K in a more needlessly expensive motherboard, since it doesn't use any of the advantages of X299.

 

The i5 is still a good gaming chip, the problem is that it has become too expensive for what it is in the current market.

I could get the i5 for 200

and 1600 for 206

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Vandorlot said:

I could get the i5 for 200

and 1600 for 206

What about the 1500X?

[Vandorlot]

12 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

What about the 1500X?

174. I already order the 1600 yesterday.