High CPU usage, so called problem.

[Mick Naughty]

So I was forced to use numbers spare rig for about 4 days or so. Played bf1 again as cod is dead. I know they released some patches that improved things such as the high gpu usage. 

 

1440p, ultra preset, dx11. CPU on xmp profile. 4.22ghz or so. Stable at 4.5 but I don't run it there anymore. 

 

You can clearly see the usage in the pic, game runs flawless as it should, 120-90 fps average. 

 

Been told by the experts on here that theres something wrong with my pcs in order to have high usage. So what's the problem exactly?

[flibberdipper]

I mean if that's idle it's probably just Windows being a hoe as always or maybe something like F@H running.

[unholyprfection]

High usage while gaming is normal. if it is idle then it MIGHT be a problem. Check the running programs on task manager and run a virus scan

Source: I game with a I5 7600 over clocked to 4.8GHz

[Mick Naughty]

This is while playing bf1, which is the only thing in question. 

[stealth80]

40 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

So I was forced to use numbers spare rig for about 4 days or so. Played bf1 again as cod is dead. I know they released some patches that improved things such as the high gpu usage. 

 

1440p, ultra preset, dx11. CPU on xmp profile. 4.22ghz or so. Stable at 4.5 but I don't run it there anymore. 

 

You can clearly see the usage in the pic, game runs flawless as it should, 120-90 fps average. 

 

Been told by the experts on here that theres something wrong with my pcs in order to have high usage. So what's the problem exactly?

 

 

I might be completely wrong, are you sure that your coolant is actually flowing through the GPU block? When I look at my block openings I can see straight through there where you have tubes either side (top to bottom) which appears to me that it would by pass the block

 

Like mine has one in and one out

 

 

 

I may have totally misunderstood the workings of the block, but I think its worth it for you to check

 

 

Also, check thread usage, rather total CPU, it could be maxing just 4 threads

[Mick Naughty]

15 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

I might be completely wrong, are you sure that your coolant is actually flowing through the GPU block? When I look at my block openings I can see straight through there where you have tubes either side (top to bottom) which appears to me that it would by pass the block

 

Like mine has one in and one out

I may have totally misunderstood the workings of the block, but I think its worth it for you to check

 

 

Also, check thread usage, rather total CPU, it could be maxing just 4 threads

If you look at my gpu temp, it shows that water is indeed going through it. I have the pump on the lowest setting as I forget to turn it up.

 

ill bring it up next time to check all the cores ans h/t. 

 

 

[done12many2]

31 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

If you look at my gpu temp, it shows that water is indeed going through it. I have the pump on the lowest setting as I forget to turn it up.

 

ill bring it up next time to check all the cores ans h/t. 

 

@stealth80 is completely right.  Your loop configuration on your GPU is very wrong.  While it is still working, it's doing so in a limited capacity.  The left side (top OR bottom) should be in and the right side (top OR bottom) bottom should be out or vice versa.  With the way you have it configured, most of the water isn't even properly circulating inside of the block itself.  Most of it's just going from one hose straight into the opposite hose.  The water that circulates in the block itself is what takes away the heat from the GPU die and other components.  

 

As far as your GPU temps, they are high for a full loop and dedicated full block.  My 1080 SLI and my 1080 Ti SLI never get higher then low 30's under full load.  

 

Note that in the manual, the tell you that you can use any port as an in/out, but to plug the remaining two.  In order for circulation, fluid must enter one side of the block and exit the other side of the block.  

 

 

[Mick Naughty]

Even if I ran the system as you say, I guarantee the gpu will get over 30c. The system is only on a single 360 in a poorly designed case. Nothing wrong with the flow, I've ran 3 360's and a 280 with a "correct" flow and it still hit mid to high 30's. 

 

Nothing to do with the damn topic either. 

[Mick Naughty]

Still got over 30c with the "correct" flow

[done12many2]

4 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

Even if I ran the system as you say, I guarantee the gpu will get over 30c. The system is only on a single 360 in a poorly designed case. Nothing wrong with the flow, I've ran 3 360's and a 280 with a "correct" flow and it still hit mid to high 30's. 

 

Nothing to do with the damn topic either. 

 

1 minute ago, Mick Naughty said:

Still got over 30c with the "correct" flow

 

Awesome!  So now you're comparing the temps of  the 1 card setup in your OP to the temps of a 2 card setup.  All that matters is your good with it. 

 

As far as your original topic, same thing applies.  All that matters is you're good with it.

 

If people are telling you that the CPU usage is too high under a given load and that your water loop is flowing incorrectly, but you don't personally believe either, then what's the issue?

[Mick Naughty]

2 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

 

Awesome!  So now you're comparing the temps of  the 1 card setup in your OP to the temps of a 2 card setup.  All that matters is your good with it. 

 

As far as your original topic, same thing applies.  All that matters is you're good with it.

 

If people are telling you that the CPU usage is too high under a given load and that your water loop is flowing incorrectly, but you don't personally believe either, then what's the issue?

They are saying there's something wrong with the usage. Waiting to hear thier expert opinion. As in a cause. If my temps would high and they say that, that would e a cause. Not just saying your CPU runs too high because mine doesnt. 

 

Why would ek sell me a block that runs my stuff in parallel is it's wrong?

[Mick Naughty]

Single card, pre patches bf1. 100% usage. 

 

Thems were lower but obviously more radiator. 

[Princess Luna]

1 hour ago, Mick Naughty said:

This is while playing bf1, which is the only thing in question. 

That's perfectly fine actually, we all know BF1 is one of the utmost demanding CPU games there is, and its recommended CPU is the Intel Core i7 4790, your 3770k reaching high usage during gameplay considering you have background applications as well is perfectly normal.

[done12many2]

7 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

They are saying there's something wrong with the usage. Waiting to hear thier expert opinion. As in a cause. If my temps would high and they say that, that would e a cause. Not just saying your CPU runs too high because mine doesnt. 

 

As far as usage, you can check the Details tab under Task Manager.  Run it open on a separate screen if you have that option.  Watch to see if anything else besides the game is utilizing any CPU resources during gaming.  If so, hunt it down and kill it. If not, your CPU utilization from the game is what it is.

 

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Why would ek sell me a block that runs my stuff in parallel is it's wrong?

 

Parallel use is for two or more GPUs only and even then, you only use one "in" port at the top and "one" out port at the bottom on the opposite side. That is what forces circulation.  

 

The "parallel" aspect only applies between the GPUs themselves.   

 

It doesn't matter.  As long as what you have setup works for you, that's good enough.  

[Mick Naughty]

I know it's only the game using it, but I'll just stick to the conclusion that's it's just the poor game. 

 

So whats the issue running a gpu and CPU in parallel if gpu's do do it? 

[Mick Naughty]

As the loops are only using 1 "in" port. The pump goes directly to in one port, appears to be circulating.  

[Mick Naughty]

25 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

That's perfectly fine actually, we all know BF1 is one of the utmost demanding CPU games there is, and its recommended CPU is the Intel Core i7 4790, your 3770k reaching high usage during gameplay considering you have background applications as well is perfectly normal.

Honestly never look at requiments  anymore. Makes sense to me though. 

[pyrojoe34]

That seems pretty normal to me. BF1 on my i7-6800k (@ 4.0GHz) is 40-50% at about 80fps (at ~110fps it's 50+% usage, at 60fps it's 30-40% usage). That's on a more modern architecture than your CPU and it's 6 core vs your 4 core. So that CPU usage is pretty in line with expected usage in BF1, it's a pretty big CPU hog. You can lower the framerate limiter to get your CPU usage down for a more stable framerate if you're getting framedrops but nothing seems weird about that CPU usage.

[stealth80]

47 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

I know it's only the game using it, but I'll just stick to the conclusion that's it's just the poor game. 

 

So whats the issue running a gpu and CPU in parallel if gpu's do do it? 

The parallel port you are speaking of is for sli and has specific routing within it to ensure coolant flows through both cards, used one for my 2x 970's, it's not strictly speaking parallel in the sense that are stating here 

 

Normal block, one in and one out

 

 

Parallel Port

 

 

See how it enters top left, then goes into both blocks on the left side, it then needs to travel through each block to get to the right side where the outlet is (right next to EK badge in this example. In case you wonder, the top right one is a temperature probe. 

 

 

I'm not trying be a dick or anything here, please don't take it that way, I'm literally trying to help you get the best out that loop you have spend time and money on. 

 

 

As for the original issue, there's an option in the task manager to view the usage of individual threads, select that option and try again see if it is actually using all 8 

 

[stealth80]

 

1 hour ago, done12many2 said:

 

As far as your GPU temps, they are high for a full loop and dedicated full block.  My 1080 SLI and my 1080 Ti SLI never get higher then low 30's under full load. 

 

 

How the hell are your GPU (1080 non ti) temp's so low?  I have a 1080 in my loop with the CPU (Ryzen 1700) with a 360, 240 and 120mm radiators and I've seen mine as high as 63C

 

[typographie]

3 hours ago, Mick Naughty said:

Been told by the experts on here that theres something wrong with my pcs in order to have high usage. So what's the problem exactly?

If your framerate is uncapped, your system is going to give you the highest framerate it can until something maxes out. Ideally you want your GPU to hit 100% first, but if your system is well balanced your CPU might be pretty high up there as well (and 120 FPS in BF1 is definitely going to give you high CPU usage). If you want to see a lower usage %, you'd just need to cap your framerate to a lower value.

 

The only problem that matters is if performance is not good enough. Poor performance might be diagnosed by seeing high usage of one component when you don't expect to, but high usage on its own is usually just an indication that your hardware is working as it should. It sounds to me like all is well.

[Mick Naughty]

23 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

 

How the hell are your GPU (1080 non ti) temp's so low?  I have a 1080 in my loop with the CPU (Ryzen 1700) with a 360, 240 and 120mm radiators and I've seen mine as high as 63C

 

I too would like to see that. 100% usage on the gpu's and some on the CPU. Some sort of real load. I'd even take heaven a year that point though. 

[stealth80]

2 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

I too would like to see that. 100% usage on the gpu's and some on the CPU. Some sort of real load. I'd even take heaven a year that point though. 

Well I've actually started looking around and it seems people are getting around 45C, it maybe because my Palit is factory clocked and runs around 2050mhz

[done12many2]

35 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

 

How the hell are your GPU (1080 non ti) temp's so low?  I have a 1080 in my loop with the CPU (Ryzen 1700) with a 360, 240 and 120mm radiators and I've seen mine as high as 63C

 

 

11 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

I too would like to see that. 100% usage on the gpu's and some on the CPU. Some sort of real load. I'd even take heaven a year that point though. 

 

9 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

Well I've actually started looking around and it seems people are getting around 45C, it maybe because my Palit is factory clocked and runs around 2050mhz

 

I'm actually in the process of building a new loop for my 5960x with the 1080 SLI, which should be done tonight/tomorrow morning.  For now I'll run Unigine Superposition at 4k and 8k on m 7700k with a 1080 Ti SLI overclocked and drawing a lot more power then a stock 1080 Ti SLI, let alone a 1080 SLI.  I'll record it for you guys.  That should help you with the doubt.  

[stealth80]

1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

 

 

 

I'm actually in the process of building a new loop for my 5960x with the 1080 SLI, which should be done tonight/tomorrow morning.  For now I'll run Unigine Superposition at 4k and 8k on m 7700k with a 1080 Ti SLI overclocked and drawing a lot more power then a stock 1080 Ti SLI, let alone a 1080 SLI.  I'll record it for you guys.  That should help you with the doubt.  

1080ti is known to run cooler - i'm not doubting, my issue is MY temps on my 1080. Are your cards FE? What clockspeeds are they running?