ryzen vs nvidia

[Lokantic Jain]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/lokantic/saved/PKGFTW

[Hunter259]

Just now, Lokantic Jain said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/lokantic/saved/PKGFTW

You really don't need a 1700 for gaming. Get the 1600 and upgrade to a windforce 1080.

[Lokantic Jain]

2 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

You really don't need a 1700 for gaming. Get the 1600 and upgrade to a windforce 1080.

ok

 

[Lokantic Jain]

7 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

You really don't need a 1700 for gaming. Get the 1600 and upgrade to a windforce 1080.

but if i go with 1600x i will not get the coller or if i wll buy coller from market it will coast me more or same

 

[Lokantic Jain]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t8kBHN

 

i think this is my final justt asking all ok?

 

[Hunter259]

17 minutes ago, Lokantic Jain said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t8kBHN

 

i think this is my final justt asking all ok?

 

1. Get the 1600 and a h115i to cool it. OC it to like 3.8 and enjoy the performance.

2. Why did you switch back to the Corsiar 650w? The EVGA have 200 more watts and is still 80+ Gold.

3. Drop the mobo to the Asrock board which is pretty solid.

4. Switch that 1070 out for a 1080 since you saved money with all the changes.

[Slowe]

my personal suggestion would be this 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qcJ4kT

or

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HMRPD8

[Ordinarily_Greater]

5 hours ago, Hunter259 said:

He never said he wasn't in the US.

 

Huh? That's what the link is for.

No, I mean the monitor in my country. I want that monitor

[ArcticSalad]

Your build is fine the way it is for the most part. Just get a far cheaper motherboard, like a motherboard that is $100 cheaper. Than spend the money chopped from your motherboard on a Ryzen 5 1700 instead of the 1600x.

[Ordinarily_Greater]

6 hours ago, Hunter259 said:

He never said he wasn't in the US.

 

Huh? That's what the link is for.

I mean if the only available monitor in some country is only that one, would you get it?

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Hunter259 said:

1. Get the 1600 and a h115i to cool it. OC it to like 3.8 and enjoy the performance.

2. Why did you switch back to the Corsiar 650w? The EVGA have 200 more watts and is still 80+ Gold.

3. Drop the mobo to the Asrock board which is pretty solid.

4. Switch that 1070 out for a 1080 since you saved money with all the changes.

He doesn't need to spend so much on the cooler either. The stock cooler will allow an overclock of 3.8GHz assuming the cpu is a good overclocker.

 

If he doesn't plan to SLI then he won't need anywhere near 850W.

 

You could also say the same about the gpu. For 1080p 144Hz a GTX 1070 would be fine. 

[Lokantic Jain]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/lokantic/saved/PKGFTW

 

guys check this out

[Hunter259]

4 hours ago, lee32uk said:

He doesn't need to spend so much on the cooler either. The stock cooler will allow an overclock of 3.8GHz assuming the cpu is a good overclocker.

 

If he doesn't plan to SLI then he won't need anywhere near 850W.

 

You could also say the same about the gpu. For 1080p 144Hz a GTX 1070 would be fine. 

1. Better the cooler the quieter the operation. And no the stock cooler really don't have much head room before turning into a jet engine.

 

2. If you can get more for the money why not? Let the PSU have more breathing room so it can be cooler and quieter while also being in a more efficient part of its curve. This also allows for more upgrade room. It's a no brainer. 

 

3. I've been argueing that he should get a better monitor but even a 1070 won't do 144Hz all that often. If you have the space in the budget why not get more power?

 

23 minutes ago, Lokantic Jain said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/lokantic/saved/PKGFTW

 

guys check this out

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VwBVXH

Since you want a modular PSU so much I used a Seasonic 850. It's modular and 80+ Gold at nearly the same price. Simply a better buy. You don't need 8 cores. There are near 0 performance gains from an OC 1600 to an OC 1700. My reasons for the cooler have already been explained in this post. Also get a 1440p monitor. For $300 you can get the 24UD58 for that price.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Hunter259 said:

1. Better the cooler the quieter the operation. And no the stock cooler really don't have much head room before turning into a jet engine.

 

2. If you can get more for the money why not? Let the PSU have more breathing room so it can be cooler and quieter while also being in a more efficient part of its curve. This also allows for more upgrade room. It's a no brainer. 

 

3. I've been argueing that he should get a better monitor but even a 1070 won't do 144Hz all that often. If you have the space in the budget why not get more power?

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VwBVXH

Since you want a modular PSU so much I used a Seasonic 850. It's modular and 80+ Gold at nearly the same price. Simply a better buy. You don't need 8 cores. There are near 0 performance gains from an OC 1600 to an OC 1700. My reasons for the cooler have already been explained in this post. Also get a 1440p monitor. For $300 you can get the 24UD58 for that price.

For a stock cooler the Wraith Spire performs pretty well (A lot better than stock coolers of old). You can get a decent overclock on it. Also AIO coolers are far from quiet. Something like a Cryorig H7 would be fine if the op doesn't want the stock cooler.

 

Getting an 850W unit is just wasting money if he doesn't intend to SLI. You could run this setup on a 450W unit so why do you need 850W ? And units such as the EVGA G3 and Corsair RMx/RMi are very quiet even at full loads.

 

A GTX 1080 won't do 144fps all the time either. The fact is you don't need to be hitting the max refresh rate. It would be better if it was a G-Sync screen, but I am guessing the op already owns the monitor. 

[Guest]

If you don't plan to SLI. 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($218.49 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($46.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($109.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($122.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($107.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($65.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card  ($352.98 @ Amazon) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro M Tempered Glass ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: LG - 24GM77 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor 
Other: windows 10 pro ($27.64)
Total: $1227.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-12 07:51 EDT-0400

[Hunter259]

54 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

For a stock cooler the Wraith Spire performs pretty well (A lot better than stock coolers of old). You can get a decent overclock on it. Also AIO coolers are far from quiet. Something like a Cryorig H7 would be fine if the op doesn't want the stock cooler.

 

Getting an 850W unit is just wasting money if he doesn't intend to SLI. You could run this setup on a 450W unit so why do you need 850W ? And units such as the EVGA G3 and Corsair RMx/RMi are very quiet even at full loads.

 

A GTX 1080 won't do 144fps all the time either. The fact is you don't need to be hitting the max refresh rate. It would be better if it was a G-Sync screen, but I am guessing the op already owns the monitor. 

1. Lol what? Far from quiet? Maybe if the pump is fucked up or you have a ton of fans running in mid RPM. My machine has two AIO's and is very quiet.

 

2. Waste of money? Did you not read what I said? " Let the PSU have more breathing room so it can be cooler and quieter while also being in a more efficient part of its curve. This also allows for more upgrade room." Wanting to run a PSU at the edge of it's rated wattage will also drain the life out of it over time. It's only $20 more and simply a much better buy in terms of Price/Watt.

 

3. Most people want to get the most out of their 144 hz monitor. It was kinda the point in buying it in the first place.

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

1. Lol what? Far from quiet? Maybe if the pump is fucked up or you have a ton of fans running in mid RPM. My machine has two AIO's and is very quiet.

 

2. Waste of money? Did you not read what I said? " Let the PSU have more breathing room so it can be cooler and quieter while also being in a more efficient part of its curve. This also allows for more upgrade room." Wanting to run a PSU at the edge of it's rated wattage will also drain the life out of it over time. It's only $20 more and simply a much better buy in terms of Price/Watt.

 

3. Most people want to get the most out of their 144 hz monitor. It was kinda the point in buying it in the first place.

An air cooler is quieter than an AIO. Not even debatable. Also the stock fans that come with AIO's are usually crap. I am not hating on AIO's as I have specced them many times before. Just saying that it isn't necessary to spend so much on cooling. If it was a high end X99 cpu then it would be a different scenario.  

 

The psu doesn't need more breathing room on a system like this. You will be lucky to hit 300W so not sure why you would need an extra 550W headroom on top. Even for SLI 850W isn't needed. And as for being cooler and quieter that isn't the case if you buy something like the Corsair RMx 550W. The fan is very quiet even if it reached full load (Which it won't).

 

 

A GTX 1070 is plenty good enough for 1080p 144Hz gaming.

 

 

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7821/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1070-g1-gaming-graphics-card-review/index5.html

 

 

 

[Hunter259]

5 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

An air cooler is quieter than an AIO. Not even debatable. Also the stock fans that come with AIO's are usually crap. I am not hating on AIO's as I have specced them many times before. Just saying that it isn't necessary to spend so much on cooling. If it was a high end X99 cpu then it would be a different scenario.  

 

The psu doesn't need more breathing room on a system like this. You will be lucky to hit 300W so not sure why you would need an extra 550W headroom on top. Even for SLI 850W isn't needed. And as for being cooler and quieter that isn't the case if you buy something like the Corsair RMx 550W. The fan is very quiet even if it reached full load (Which it won't).

 

 

A GTX 1070 is plenty good enough for 1080p 144Hz gaming.

 

 

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7821/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1070-g1-gaming-graphics-card-review/index5.html

 

 

 

That's very debatable. http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7320/corsair-hydro-h110i-gtx-high-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html

 

Ryzen 5 1600x at 4Ghz under rendering load can be near 170 watts total system power. The founders edition 1070 is around 170 watts it's self. It will go above 300w. I guarantee it. If you can get the extra power at the same cost as the 650 why not? You are just turning away extra head room for nothing. You also don't want to run a PSU at full load all the time so idk why you keep telling me the fan is quiet.

 

So? A 1080 is better and we have the room in the budget.

[Ordinarily_Greater]

2 hours ago, lee32uk said:

If you don't plan to SLI. 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($218.49 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($46.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($109.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($122.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($107.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($65.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card  ($352.98 @ Amazon) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro M Tempered Glass ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: LG - 24GM77 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor 
Other: windows 10 pro ($27.64)
Total: $1227.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-12 07:51 EDT-0400

Do you know how much that monitor costs? $294 in my country

[Guest]

54 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

That's very debatable. http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7320/corsair-hydro-h110i-gtx-high-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html

 

Ryzen 5 1600x at 4Ghz under rendering load can be near 170 watts total system power. The founders edition 1070 is around 170 watts it's self. It will go above 300w. I guarantee it. If you can get the extra power at the same cost as the 650 why not? You are just turning away extra head room for nothing. You also don't want to run a PSU at full load all the time so idk why you keep telling me the fan is quiet.

 

So? A 1080 is better and we have the room in the budget.

The Air coolers are still as quiet or quieter in that link. Both the Cooler Master and Noctua are quieter at 12v and some of the other Noctua's are a match at 7v.

 

The only way a GTX 1070 is hitting 170W is if it is under 100% load which is a very unlikely scenario unless you are benchmarking etc. Same goes for the cpu. If the op is just gaming then the loads won't be anything like that. 

 

Also you should look at a review of the Corsair RMx 550W before you start saying the fan isn't quiet even at full load. It won't be at full load, but it proves my point.

 

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/corsair-rm550x-power-supply,review-33492-5.html

 

If the budget was spent wiser you could fit a GTX 1080 ti in there (Not that you need it).

 

 

Also here is someone running an i5 4670K at 4.4GHz and a heavily overclocked GTX 1070 (3rd post). 

 

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/evga-550w-g2-for-palit-1070-game-rock.18760501/

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

Do you know how much that monitor costs? $294 in my country

No idea but the op already had it in his spec so I assume he already owns it.

[Hunter259]

1 minute ago, lee32uk said:

The Air coolers are still as quiet or quieter in that link. Both the Cooler Master and Noctua are quieter at 12v and some of the other Noctua's are a match at 7v.

 

The only way a GTX 1070 is hitting 170W is if it is under 100% load which is a very unlikely scenario unless you are benchmarking etc. Same goes for the cpu. If the op is just gaming then the loads won't be anything like that. 

 

Also you should look at a review of the Corsair RMx 550W before you start saying the fan isn't quiet even at full load. It won't be at full load, but it proves my point.

 

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/corsair-rm550x-power-supply,review-33492-5.html

 

If the budget was spent wiser you could fit a GTX 1080 ti in there (Not that you need it).

It was the quietest at 7v and the 3rd quietest at 12v so I have no clue what you are getting at.

 

Uh it will be at full load at basically all times during gaming. To try to push 144fps is going to max it out and and custom card is just going to use more power.

 

Never said the fan was loud. Just said why does it matter that the fan is quiet if you are kill the life span of the power supply by using it at max load or near it at all times. A 550 also has 0 room for another card. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

It was the quietest at 7v and the 3rd quietest at 12v so I have no clue what you are getting at.

 

Uh it will be at full load at basically all times during gaming. To try to push 144fps is going to max it out and and custom card is just going to use more power.

 

Never said the fan was loud. Just said why does it matter that the fan is quiet if you are kill the life span of the power supply by using it at max load or near it at all times. A 550 also has 0 room for another card. 

Joint quietest at 7v there is a difference.

 

No it won't be at full load. See the edited post I made above with the Overclockers link.

 

You are not going to kill the psu though. We are talking about a high quality power supply that uses the best components. It is not a Chinese firecracker with shitty caps and the likes. Do you think the 10 year warranty is just a gimmick ? Also I never said that it is enough for SLI ?

[Guest]

Just to prove a point. Spending less on non essential items could get a 1080 ti.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($218.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($46.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($109.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($111.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($107.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($65.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card  ($713.89 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: LG - 24GM77 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor 
Other: windows 10 pro ($27.64)
Total: $1536.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-12 11:05 EDT-0400

[Hunter259]

1 minute ago, lee32uk said:

Joint quietest at 7v there is a difference.

 

No it won't be at full load. See the edited post I made above with the Overclockers link.

 

You are not going to kill the psu though. We are talking about a high quality power supply that uses the best components. It is not a Chinese firecracker with shitty caps and the likes. Do you think the 10 year warranty is just a gimmick ? Also I never said that it is enough for SLI ?

That is just arguing semantics.

 

Because running a system on the minimum requirements for a PSU is so the way to go when dealing with thousand dollar builds. Absolutely terrible idea.

 

Because you want to use the warranty? Why would I want to wait for weeks for a replacement because I ran it at the edge it's entire life. That's an absurd way to go about things. 

 

3 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

Just to prove a point. Spending less on non essential items could get a 1080 ti.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($218.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($46.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($109.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($111.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($107.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($65.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card  ($713.89 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: LG - 24GM77 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor 
Other: windows 10 pro ($27.64)
Total: $1536.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-12 11:05 EDT-0400

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1080_ti_review,7.html

 

Now you are just being silly.