Xeon Cpus

[CalvinLe]

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-W3565-vs-AMD-FX-8320/m6324vs1983

 

Question is, if a Xeon chip such as the Xeon W3565 Quad Core, 8 Threads, 3 ghz is performing kind of similarly to the old Fx 8320 chip, how come they're so little people building with this budget cpu? Is finding motherboards difficult? Is the wattage too high? I've read that Xeon's are bad at single core performance since they are usually high core/thread counts, but this one is a kind of standard 4 core 8 thread cpu.

[Jumper118]

3 minutes ago, CalvinLe said:

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-W3565-vs-AMD-FX-8320/m6324vs1983

 

Question is, if a Xeon chip such as the Xeon W3565 Quad Core, 8 Threads, 3 ghz is performing kind of similarly to the old Fx 8320 chip, how come they're so little people building with this budget cpu? Is finding motherboards difficult? Is the wattage too high? I've read that Xeon's are bad at single core performance since they are usually high core/thread counts, but this one is a kind of standard 4 core 8 thread cpu.

Yes x58 boards are very expensive 

[AnonymousGuy]

It's also an 8 year old chip so the mobos are going to suck by modern standards, and a Kaby Lake chip will walk all over it, and completely ass fuck it when overclocked.

[manikyath]

because bloomfield is freaking ancient, with all the problems that brings.

[Jumper118]

6 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

It's also an 8 year old chip so the mobos are going to suck by modern standards, and a Kaby Lake chip will walk all over it, and completely ass fuck it when overclocked.

Kabylake isn't budget in any way lol. It's the biggest mainstream ripoff ever

[AnonymousGuy]

Just now, Jumper118 said:

Kabylake isn't budget in any way lol. It's the biggest mainstream ripoff ever

It overclocks like a monster, however.  Reminds me a lot of the Sandybridge days of 2500K vs. 920.

[bimmerman]

X58 boards are still ~$200 for a used motherboard. The CPUs for the LGA 1366 Xeons are fairly cheap (6c/12t X5660-5675 are all sub $80).

 

The 6c Xeon chips overclock very well. My OC'd X5675 (4.4GHz) keeps pace with my housemate's stock-clocked i7-6700k well enough for my purposes, and cost me $60 + a few hours of tinkering to refresh a computer I've had since 2010. It's powerful enough to play games when I want at good enough detail settings, so I don't have any real reason to upgrade the computer....again. I think the next computer I build is a looooong way off, which makes me happy.

 

Realistically, the X58 platform is dead. The Xeon upgrade is only worth it if you already have a motherboard that's compatible. If you're building a new system, for the same ~$300 for ram/mobo/cpu as a used X58 will cost, you can build a much more powerful Ryzen or Intel computer.

[Jumper118]

Just now, AnonymousGuy said:

It overclocks like a monster, however.  Reminds me a lot of the Sandybridge days of 2500K vs. 920.

Yes. The speed is high, but the % oc is very low. A 2500k stock at 3.3ghz going upto 5ghz is a huge jump over a 2500 none k. A 7700k going from 4.5ghz to 5ghz is pretty rubbish when you also take into consideration that It needs delidding and cost the same as a ryzen 7 1700 and they next i5 is a 6 core and will be £100 less while wiping the floor with it XD. 

[NoxiousOdor]

Xeons are fine, the people who say they aren't are people who probably haven't used them. The biggest issue I had when building my machine is that it was difficult to find a motherboard that I liked but further still the one that I ended up getting wasn't compatible with the cases I wanted. I did end up finding one I liked though.

 

It really depends on how much time you want to spend planning the build. If you make two reasonable machines, one that is xeon and one that is not, they probably will end up costing the same. Instead of going on pc partpicker and ordering parts that are easy to find and made to be compatible, building a xeon machine will take quite a bit of planning and possible case modding.

[NoxiousOdor]

7 minutes ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

Xeons are fine, the people who say they aren't are people who probably haven't used them. The biggest issue I had when building my machine is that it was difficult to find a motherboard that I liked but further still the one that I ended up getting wasn't compatible with the cases I wanted. I did end up finding one I liked though.

 

It really depends on how much time you want to spend planning the build. If you make two reasonable machines, one that is xeon and one that is not, they probably will end up costing the same. Instead of going on pc partpicker and ordering parts that are easy to find and made to be compatible, building a xeon machine will take quite a bit of planning and possible case modding.

Also I paid $350 for a pair of xeons, both are 6 cores hyper-threaded at 3.4-3.8ghz giving me a total of 24 decent threads

 

 

[DragonTamer1]

x58 boards are expensive, and not everyone has the confidence to work with Xeons. In my group of friends they all think I have some god CPU just because it is a Xeon but it's basically just a 3930K. The name throws people off and they can get intimidated by what they think is a lack of knowledge.

[asand1]

Not Familiar with the Xeon W3565, but my X5680 (same socket) was 3.3GHz stock and better than my i7 2600 in gaming. No it will not compete with a Ryzen or i7 7700, but the average casual gamer probably wouldnt notice the difference. If you have an X58 board already, then pick up an X5650 to X5680. Mine is 6c/12t, and I love it.

[asand1]

OK after looking at ARK and ebay you essentially are looking at an $18 i7. Not bad if you don't mind the age. And honestly the age of my mobo and CPU don't bother me. It has rear USB 3.0 ports in the back if I need them, and M.2 SSDs are not anything i need anyway. 

[crzyces]

19 hours ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

Also I paid $350 for a pair of xeons, both are 6 cores hyper-threaded at 3.4-3.8ghz giving me a total of 24 decent threads

 

 

ahh ahem, a little props for helping you find the board and such . Just playing, glad you got it all together!

[NoxiousOdor]

3 hours ago, crzyces said:

ahh ahem, a little props for helping you find the board and such . Just playing, glad you got it all together!

No absolutely, I am planning to post in the build log area with all of the specs and a little info on how everything came to be and I plan on having a "thank you" list for everyone who helped. If you are alright being tagged I would like to mention you as well

[crzyces]

Hah! With all the rl stuff going on? I'll take all the ego pats on the back I can get, even if they are virtual ones .

[Guest]

Allow me summarize. 

I recently got an Xeon x5650 and its a great bang for the buck chip that still beats modern CPUs when overclocked. Anyone that says otherwise is wrong. 

However. Only consider an Xeon if you have an X58 mobo. As others have said, they are expensive and if you want one with modern like USB 3.0 and sata 6gb, be prepeared to pay. 

(The above kinda explains why people don't get Xeons. Simply, there ain't too many people that already have hardware to support it).