First PC build

[AceJughead]

I  want to upgrade from my xps 15 9950 to a gaming computer that can run games at a higher fps and quality. I have no idea what im doing but I put together a pc on pcpartpicker that is a bit past my price limit. I  need a monitor with this setup for around 1600-1900 dollars also. I want a good monitor with this computer that is above 100 hz. heres the list 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g8Dnqk

 

 

[grimreeper132]

3 minutes ago, AceJughead said:

I  want to upgrade from my xps 15 9950 to a gaming computer that can run games at a higher fps and quality. I have no idea what im doing but I put together a pc on pcpartpicker that is a bit past my price limit. I  need a monitor with this setup for around 1600-1900 dollars also. I want a good monitor with this computer that is above 100 hz. heres the list 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g8Dnqk

 

 

an overclocked 1700 would be better than 7700k

[xdeathshot20]

5 minutes ago, AceJughead said:

I  want to upgrade from my xps 15 9950 to a gaming computer that can run games at a higher fps and quality. I have no idea what im doing but I put together a pc on pcpartpicker that is a bit past my price limit. I  need a monitor with this setup for around 1600-1900 dollars also. I want a good monitor with this computer that is above 100 hz. heres the list 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g8Dnqk

 

 

i would get rid of the 1080ti especally if your only playing at 1080p.  a 1060 or 1070 would more then suit your purposes

[Rupe]

Just now, xdeathshot20 said:

i would get rid of the 1080ti especally if your only playing at 1080p.  a 1060 or 1070 would more then suit your purposes

he wants to be playing games at 144hz though, and if you look at AAA titles at top setting its actually not as unreasonable as you might think to go for the 1080ti

[VinZie]

Here. I redid it all.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C7tknn

[Zyndo]

3 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

an overclocked 1700 would be better than 7700k

no it would not. not for a high refresh rate gaming rig. there is nothing better than a 7700k in a high refresh rate gaming rig.

[AceJughead]

Would i need a sli motherboard, does it matter?

 

[VinZie]

Updated: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RgVf4C

 

Better case for cable management.

[VinZie]

Just now, AceJughead said:

Would i need a sli motherboard, does it matter?

 

Not really. Its good to have in case you wanna upgrade in the future!

[grimreeper132]

5 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

no it would not. not for a high refresh rate gaming rig. there is nothing better than a 7700k in a high refresh rate gaming rig.

the fps difference is very little, especially if it's at 1440p 144hz, the 1700 will let you do more things faster with the PC as well, as the OP might be doing something else than just gaming. Something that is heavily multi thread lets say.

 

 

I suggest this

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/vb7MxY

[AceJughead]

Ill be using this for gaming and 3d modeling

[grimreeper132]

1 minute ago, AceJughead said:

Ill be using this for gaming and 3d modeling

you definitely need a 1700 then as 3D modeling requires/loves more cores.

 

I suggest this list https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/vb7MxY

[VinZie]

1 minute ago, grimreeper132 said:

you definitely need a 1700 then as 3D modeling requires/loves more cores.

 

I suggest this list https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/vb7MxY

Convert it to USD. It could be a different price.

[AceJughead]

is there a quick way to switch to US dollars

[grimreeper132]

Just now, VinZie said:

Convert it to USD. It could be a different price.

whoops I thought it was a GBP, right two seconds.

 

it's $100 over, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vb7MxY I will see if I can get it under without hurting performance too much

 

 

[grimreeper132]

1 minute ago, AceJughead said:

is there a quick way to switch to US dollars

yep, I have done it already sorry. (it's in the top right of the page though, and you just change it to the said country though)

[Zyndo]

21 minutes ago, AceJughead said:

I want a good monitor with this computer that is above 100 hz. heres the list 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g8Dnqk

 

 

there isn't much I would change on this build if you're willing to fork out the money for something like this. pretty solid machine. Maybe would swap the seasonic unit for an evga 550w G2... about the same price, but what you lose in wattage (wattage you won't be using) you gain in quality.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qYTrxr/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1

 

there are some areas you could trim some cost out of if that was your desire (such as the motherboard, the storage options, and so on) but if price isn't an issue you could buy as is. You may also wish to buy a better CPU cooler if your desire is to reach really high overclocks on the CPU. nothing wrong with the H7, and its really good for what its price is, but it doesn't have the raw cooling performance of some of the more high end coolers on the market.

10 minutes ago, AceJughead said:

Would i need a sli motherboard, does it matter?

 

if you're getting a 7700k with the intention of overclocking, then you will need a Z series motherboard (Z270 for kabylake, although you COULD also get a Z170 motherboard provided it has kaby lake supported BIOS). all Z series motherboards are SLI compliant, so basically what I'm saying is you're going to get a SLI enabled board whether you like it or not (assuming the board physically has the slots for it)

 

8 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

the fps difference is very little, especially if it's at 1440p 144hz, the 1700 will let you do more things faster with the PC as well, as the OP might be doing something else than just gaming. Something that is heavily multi thread lets say

the OP has specified that this is a gaming computer and his desire is to have extreme gaming quality so making an argument about ryzen being better at other things at the cost of some gaming performance doesn't make any sense at all. as far as "the fps difference is very little".... the difference can easily be 30% or more in CPU bound titles and CPU bottlenecked situations (with the exception of the occasional game like BF1 which is capable of utlilizing the additional cores/threads which comes with the Ryzen chips). 

 

So there is absolutely no good reason to avoid intel and go ryzen for this user. You aren't exactly wrong that the 1700 is more versatile, but this user doesn't want versitility... he wants as much gaming performance as his money can buy, and no matter which way you slice it, that is the 7700k. Period.

[AceJughead]

thanks, why would i need 2 monitors

 

[grimreeper132]

Just now, Zyndo said:

 

the OP has specified that this is a gaming computer and his desire is to have extreme gaming quality. as far as "the fps difference is very little".... the difference can easily be 30% or more in CPU bound titles and CPU bottlenecked situations (with the exception of the occasional game like BF1 which is capable of utlilizing the additional cores/threads which comes with the Ryzen chips). 

 

So there is absolutely no good reason to avoid intel and go ryzen for this user. You aren't exactly wrong that the 1700 is more versatile, but this user doesn't want versitility... he wants as much gaming performance as his money can buy, and no matter which way you slice it, that is the 7700k. Period.

The OP then later on said that they do 3D modeling with will love the 1700. so ryzen is a good idea in this case.

[grimreeper132]

1 minute ago, AceJughead said:

thanks, why would i need 2 monitors

 

why not? you can just get one if you want (I have two and love it, as the second one I use for browsing the web, and other one can have your important stuff on it. Also can you quote me if next time if it's aimed at your response so I can get a notification to tell me to respond etc.

[AceJughead]

1 minute ago, grimreeper132 said:

Also can you quote me if next time if it's aimed at your response so I can get a notification to tell me to respond etc.

I just now learned i could do this, thanks for the help. This will probably be my final build. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZGKnqk

[grimreeper132]

2 minutes ago, AceJughead said:

I just now learned i could do this, thanks for the help. This will probably be my final build. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZGKnqk

good choice

yea if your doing CAD the 1700 will help drastically

[Zyndo]

Just now, grimreeper132 said:

The OP then later on said that they do 3D modeling with will love the 1700. so ryzen is a good idea in this case.

Very well, didn't see that (even though I did check several times R.I.P. me lol). You could still make an argument for the 7700k. it would depend on his exact workload. its not like a 7700k is garbage at 3d modeling/rendering or anything (although an 8 core R7 is definitely better at it, no doubt) buuut you're probably right about him wanting to go R7.

 

 

@AceJughead if you're having any confusion about R7 vs. i7, allow me to clear it up for you. your Ryzen CPU will be much better for your modeling/rendering uses, and the 7700k better for reaching 144hz as often as possible in your games. when it comes to gaming, even at 1080p, even with a 1080ti, your will still often hit your GPU bottleneck before you could hit a Ryzen CPU bottleneck, in most games, if you are running above ultra settings or have tons of AA turned on. so having a 7700k will not, in all cases, give you 30%+ more fps. with how gaming workloads work it basically equates to "potentially" 30% more fps (depending on games and settings).

 

so in short the 7700k will not ALWAYS be better than an R7 chip even in gaming. Basically when it comes to gaming, the 7700k is "king" and R7 is "good enough". when it comes to your 3D applications the R7 is "king" and the 7700k is "good enough". its up to you which you value more.

 

If you're the kind of guy who doesn't mind turning down the occasional graphical setting here and there (something less important like shadows, antisotropic filtering, or whatever setting you feel you can live without in some games) in order to boost framerates to get 144hz as often as possible... then I would recommend the 7700k in a heartbeat as it will get you there more often than an R7 will. If you're the kind of guy who wants maximum possible graphical quality, my recommendation would be the R7 because you will often be bottlenecked by your GPU before the R7 runs out of performance, so having a 7700k wouldn't yield additional fps anyway.

 

13 minutes ago, AceJughead said:

thanks, why would i need 2 monitors

 

You don't NEED two monitors. Its a preference thing. Lots of guys prefer multiple monitors because it gives them more screen real estate (more space to manage what they're doing) or an easier way to multitask, or it simply makes them feel like a badass when they sit down at their rig. I'm the kind of guy who has never found much use for 2+ monitors, and therefore wouldn't waste money on additional screens. I stick to the one, or use the money I would have invested in two or more monitors in order to purchase the best monitor I can afford. for gaming, having 3 monitors spaced horizontally can give a great experience in the right games (such as, but not limited to, flight simulators or racing games) but if those aren't your scene then I would recommend investing in the single best monitor you can afford.

[grimreeper132]

2 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

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the 8 core R7 is much much better at the CAD the 7700K is good at CAD but the 1700 is much better and probably worth it, Especially if the OP is rendering shit as the 1700 is maybe 2 times faster roughly at rendering (that's very rush, just because it's got twice the threads, which makes a massive difference)

[Zyndo]

Just now, grimreeper132 said:

Especially if the OP is rendering shit as the 1700 is maybe 2 times faster roughly at rendering (that's very rush, just because it's got twice the threads, which makes a massive difference)

that would assume the given application can scale 100% with additional cores/threads (which they very rarely do). you then also have to consider the lower IPC and clockspeeds of the R7. don't get me wrong, the R7 is DEFINITELY better at it... but you're probably looking more in the neighborhood of 50-60% faster on average, rather than a straight doubling. and i'm not saying he SHOULD go for a 7700k anyway, i'm just saying there is an argument for it depending on his needs and desires. don't need him spending thousands on a rig he will be upset with because he does 90% gaming and 10% modeling/rendering and then went with an R7 anyway. just trying to give him all the facts.