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6 minutes ago, C9_Sneaky said:

Ok thanks, maybe I really need to upgrade my cpu.

 

5 minutes ago, GeorgeKellow said:

I would! Ryzen 5 looks like a good deal! 

Ye get Ryzen 5. Team red has some good offers for inexpensive CPUs

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9 minutes ago, C9_Sneaky said:

Will an A10 7700k bottleneck an RX 480?

Yep. You should upgrade to a Ryzen 5 1500X or a Core i5-7400

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3 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yep. You should upgrade to a Ryzen 5 1500X or a Core i5-7400

Nooo not 1500x :( 

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1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

Nooo not 1500x :( 

The 1600 is undoubtedly the better choice, but the 1500X is cheaper... This is why I recommended it, if the OP has the money he should buy a 1600 ;)

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Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

The 1600 is undoubtedly the better choice, but the 1500X is cheaper... This is why I recommended it, if the OP has the money he should buy a 1600 ;)

Just go and like sit on the streets and beg for two days. Might make enough to get a 1600.

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On 4/13/2017 at 10:37 AM, PCGuy_5960 said:

The 1600 is undoubtedly the better choice, but the 1500X is cheaper... This is why I recommended it, if the OP has the money he should buy a 1600 ;)

the 4 core ryzens are trash. ryzen is designed in a weird way... the more cores that are enabled, the faster the cache works and the faster the core communication is. this is why the lowest core count youd want on a ryzen chip is 6

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10 hours ago, Nickathom said:

ryzen is designed in a weird way... the more cores that are enabled, the faster the cache works and the faster the core communication is.

No.... Ryzen has 2 quad core CCXs, which are connected by the infinity fabric. The infinity fabric runs at half the speed of the memory, so faster RAM is what helps, not higher core count.

10 hours ago, Nickathom said:

this is why the lowest core count youd want on a ryzen chip is 6

Again, no. The 1500X is better than the i5-7500 and it costs the same.....

10 hours ago, Nickathom said:

the 4 core ryzens are trash.

Not even close.......

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4 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

No.... Ryzen has 2 quad core CCXs, which are connected by the infinity fabric. The infinity fabric runs at half the speed of the memory, so faster RAM is what helps, not higher core count.

Again, no. The 1500X is better than the i5-7500 and it costs the same.....

Not even close.......

 

Im not talking about RAM, im talking about cache. Very different. And compared to the 4 core intel cpus, the 4 cores are kinda bad. The six cores have a much, much better value.

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4 minutes ago, Nickathom said:

Im not talking about RAM, im talking about cache.

I know, but RAM speed affects the infinity fabric, not core count. 

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I know, but RAM speed affects the infinity fabric, not core count. 

No its about ryzen being hooked up to its cache in a different way. The more cores enabled, the faster the cache can communicate. Also, sometihng different, theres no way a 1500x is better than a 7500. 7500s have a much higher ipc, which is better for pretty much all games. And if you have a decent motherboard, your 7500 becomes a 7600k if you know how to bclk overclock.

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Just now, Nickathom said:

No its about ryzen being hooked up to its cache in a different way. The more cores enabled, the faster the cache can communicate

Source?

1 minute ago, Nickathom said:

Also, sometihng different, theres no way a 1500x is better than a 7500. 7500s have a much higher ipc, which is better for pretty much all games.

But you can overclock the 1500X to 4GHz

1 minute ago, Nickathom said:

And if you have a decent motherboard, your 7500 becomes a 7600k if you know how to bclk overclock.

Only if you buy an expensive Z170 motherboard

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2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Source?

But you can overclock the 1500X to 4GHz

Only if you buy an expensive Z170 motherboard

 

source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbK0n5FjvhI start at 2:30 Its not the best explanation but im too lazy to find the exact site i got the info from
saying that you can get a 1500x to 4ghz is like saying you can get a 6600k to 4.9. possible, but youre going to have to get lucky. 
and as for z170 motherboards being expensive, not really lol. you can find decent ones for as low as 130 if theyre on sale, which happens a lot. am4 motherboards are often the same price due to their early release

 

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1 minute ago, Nickathom said:

source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbK0n5FjvhI start at 2:30 Its not the best explanation but im too lazy to find the exact site i got the info from

What it says is: Because the 1500X/1400 have 2 cores enabled in each CCX, cores that are in different CCXs will have to communicate more frequently, which could lead to performance issues. I think that you misunderstood what Linus said...

5 minutes ago, Nickathom said:

saying that you can get a 1500x to 4ghz is like saying you can get a 6600k to 4.9. possible, but youre going to have to get lucky. 

No.... Almost all 1500Xs can be overclocked to 4GHz....

5 minutes ago, Nickathom said:

and as for z170 motherboards being expensive, not really lol. you can find decent ones for as low as 130 if theyre on sale, which happens a lot. am4 motherboards are often the same price due to their early release

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2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

What it says is: Because the 1500X/1400 have 2 cores enabled in each CCX, cores that are in different CCXs will have to communicate more frequently, which could lead to performance issues. I think that you misunderstood what Linus said...

No.... Almost all 1500Xs can be overclocked to 4GHz....

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30-50 dollars extra isnt that much for a z170 mb that get a 7500 up to 4.5ghz. a 7500 4.5ghz will almost always beat a 1500x clocked at 4ghz because of its higher ipc and single core performance. ryzen is good, but for games it is not optimal.

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30-50 dollars extra isnt that much for a z170 mb that get a 7500 up to 4.5ghz. a 7500 4.5ghz will almost always beat a 1500x clocked at 4ghz because of its higher ipc and single core performance.

You need VERY specific motherboards with a specific BIOS version. BTW, Kabylake CPUs are not overclockable with the baseclock method, so you need a Skylake one.

1 minute ago, Nickathom said:

ryzen is good, but for games it is not optimal.

Compared to an i5, Ryzen is very good for gaming.

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3 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

You need VERY specific motherboards with a specific BIOS version. BTW, Kabylake CPUs are not overclockable with the baseclock method, so you need a Skylake one.

Compared to an i5, Ryzen is very good for gaming.

 

right, i forgot about the kaby lake patch. Well, a 6500 is pretty much just as good as a 7500 anyways.

 

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2 minutes ago, Nickathom said:

right, i forgot about the kaby lake patch. Well, a 6500 is pretty much just as good as a 7500 anyways.

Here are actual benchmarks:

As you can see the stock 1500X is able to outperform the 7500. ;)

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10 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Here are actual benchmarks:

As you can see the stock 1500X is able to outperform the 7500. ;)

 

did you watch the video? For gaming the 7500 beats the 1500x half the time, and he used games that favour amd or are very well optimized. for most games the 7500 will be better

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11 minutes ago, Nickathom said:

did you watch the video? For gaming the 7500 beats the 1500x half the time

Yes, did you? The 1500X beat the 7500 in 4/5 games...

12 minutes ago, Nickathom said:

and he used games that favour amd or are very well optimized. for most games the 7500 will be better

The 7600K, maybe. The 7500, no

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6 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yes, did you? The 1500X beat the 7500 in 4/5 games...

The 7600K, maybe. The 7500, no

 
 
 

the 7500 won 3 and the 1500x won 4. lmao. cherry-picking which tests you want to include does not count. 

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