6800k vs 6850k

[en1gMATIC]

title is self explanatory although I would also like to throw in the 5820k and 5930k, as well as the 3960x just for fun

[RadiatingLight]

Basically the 6850K has more PCIe lanes than the 6800K. that's it.

 

 

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Actually it's not self explanatory... what's your budget?  What are you using them for?

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, Ryan_Vickers said:

Actually it's not self explanatory... what's your budget?  What are you using them for?

I think it's a theoretical question.

 

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2 minutes ago, en1gMATIC said:

title is self explanatory although I would also like to throw in the 5820k and 5930k, as well as the 3960x just for fun

Ryzen R7?

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Just now, RadiatingLight said:

I think it's a theoretical question.

 

Well the use case (and budget to a certain extent) still applies.

[Techstorm970]

If you have to go with Intel, i7-5820k.  All the way.  It can overclock just as well as any of the others and get about the same performance.  Plus, it's the cheapest option here.

 

If you don't need to go with Intel, get the Ryzen 1700.  Only $330 and performs better than a $1000 i7-6900k when overclocked.

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We kind of need to know how much money matters and how much PCIe lanes matter to answer this.  Unless you only care about raw compute performance in which case I suppose we'd also need to know your expectations (if any) on overclocking, since no amount is ever guaranteed 

[en1gMATIC]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

We kind of need to know how much money matters and how much PCIe lanes matter to answer this.  Unless you only care about raw compute performance in which case I suppose we'd also need to know your expectations (if any) on overclocking, since no amount is ever guaranteed 

looking for the best value on x99 and pcie lanes don't matter.

planning on very heavy overclocking but I don't know what to expect from these chips

probably not going with Ryzen probably seems weird but it kind of depends on the motherboard options

[phongle123]

8 minutes ago, techstorm970 said:

If you have to go with Intel, i7-5820k.  All the way.  It can overclock just as well as any of the others and get about the same performance.  Plus, it's the cheapest option here.

 

If you don't need to go with Intel, get the Ryzen 1700.  Only $330 and performs better than a $1000 i7-6900k when overclocked.

Oh wow thought the 1700 was locked hence the reason for a 1700x.

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Just now, en1gMATIC said:

looking for the best value on x99 and pcie lanes don't matter.

planning on very heavy overclocking but I don't know what to expect from these chips

probably not going with Ryzen probably seems weird but it kind of depends on the motherboard options

Ryzen is the best price / performance of the bunch in multithreaded applications by far.

 

if you aren't going for Ryzen, the 5820K is the way to go if you like overclocking,

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, phongle123 said:

Oh wow thought the 1700 was locked hence the reason for a 1700x.

nah. all Ryzen 7, 5, and 3 CPUs are unlocked (the X is for XFR IIRC)

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Just now, en1gMATIC said:

looking for the best value on x99 and pcie lanes don't matter.

planning on very heavy overclocking but I don't know what to expect from these chips

probably not going with Ryzen probably seems weird but it kind of depends on the motherboard options

Well In the 6+ core CPU space, RyZen does get you the best value for total multi-threaded compute at the moment imo, but it's certainly not without its issues for now.

The 6850k is the most powerful out of the box, but I'm going ot have to defer to someone who's got OC experience with all these to say how much you can typically crank them up.

[Techstorm970]

1 minute ago, phongle123 said:

Oh wow thought the 1700 was locked hence the reason for a 1700x.

...which is why we've been stuck with this Intel "K" SKU bullsh*t for too long.

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2 minutes ago, phongle123 said:

Oh wow thought the 1700 was locked hence the reason for a 1700x.

Nope, they're all unlocked as long as you have the right board.  The 1700 is just clocked lower at stock so (in theory) won't OC as well as the more expensive ones, (but I don't have any sources to verify this).

[DarkBlade2117]

4 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Nope, they're all unlocked as long as you have the right board.  The 1700 is just clocked lower at stock so (in theory) won't OC as well as the more expensive ones, (but I don't have any sources to verify this).

From what I've gathered every Ryzen chip OCs similar. 3.9-4Ghz. 4.1 if you're super lucky

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Just now, DarkBlade2117 said:

From what I've gathered every Ryzen chip OCs similar. 3.9-4Ghz. 4.1 if you're super lucky

Perhaps the best examples of each can all hit the same speed but surely there must be differences in what the average chip will get to, yes?  Otherwise why would anyone pay more for something above a 1700?

[en1gMATIC]

4 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Perhaps the best examples of each can all hit the same speed but surely there must be differences in what the average chip will get to, yes?  Otherwise why would anyone pay more for something above a 1700?

probably for bragging rights

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Just now, en1gMATIC said:

probably for bragging rights

Bragging that they waste money?   Idk, there must be something they offer...

[en1gMATIC]

3 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Bragging that they waste money?   Idk, there must be something they offer...

well why would you ever get an intel extreme edition? there must be something they offer...

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2 minutes ago, en1gMATIC said:

well why would you ever get an intel extreme edition? there must be something they offer...

They do.  More cores, more PCIe lanes, etc.

[DarkBlade2117]

11 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Perhaps the best examples of each can all hit the same speed but surely there must be differences in what the average chip will get to, yes?  Otherwise why would anyone pay more for something above a 1700?

Idk, XFR and a better stock cooler is what I know of. It does seem weird but even Steve from Gamers Nexus doesn't understand why the 1800x exist.

[en1gMATIC]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

They do.  More cores, more PCIe lanes, etc.

well yeah but its like a very small performance increase for a huge price.

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1 minute ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

Idk, XFR and a better stock cooler is what I know of. It does seem weird but even Steve from Gamers Nexus doesn't understand why the 1800x exist.

 

Just now, en1gMATIC said:

well yeah but its like a very small performance increase for a huge price.

 

Well if that's true and you can just overclock any 1700 to as good as a 1800X that's pretty cool I guess, but it's just hard to believe 

[en1gMATIC]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

 

 

Well if that's true and you can just overclock any 1700 to as good as a 1800X that's pretty cool I guess, but it's just hard to believe 

yeah I think they should of just had a 1800x and a 1800 that would be the 1700x and 1700 at the same price because ppl at the high end are likely going to oc anyway then they would have even more price argument