CPU Upgrade

[nobiggieBIG]

x4 860k at 4.2-4.6 ghz

 

g4560 @ stock

[Guest]

Lots of information to pick from. But what is your question?

[paddy-stone]

Yes

[RadiatingLight]

Yeah that would be a good upgrade.

 

especially because in 3 or so years, used skylake CPUs will pop up on the used market, and you may be able to snag a 6500 or something for low used prices.

[nobiggieBIG]

no im saying choose between the two, you see i already have a FM2+ board and ddr3. so the x4 860k and a 1050ti or a g4560

 

@RadiatingLight

@paddy-stone

@Dutch-stoner

[RadiatingLight]

35 minutes ago, nobiggieBIG said:

no im saying choose between the two, you see i already have a FM2+ board and ddr3. so the x4 860k and a 1050ti or a g4560

 

@RadiatingLight

@paddy-stone

@Dutch-stoner

G4560 for sure.

 

upgrade path is good, and it's a much better CPU out of the box.

 

if you sell your DDR3, you could probably get some DDR4 without it costing way too much.

[nobiggieBIG]

8 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

G4560 for sure.

 

upgrade path is good, and it's a much better CPU out of the box.

 

if you sell your DDR3, you could probably get some DDR4 without it costing way too much.

but its cheaper for me to get a x4 860k and i can put that maybe towards a 1060 6gb... the performance gains arnt really worth it when a OC x4 860k performs just as well as a g4560

[RadiatingLight]

4 minutes ago, nobiggieBIG said:

but its cheaper for me to get a x4 860k and i can put that maybe towards a 1060 6gb... the performance gains arnt really worth it when a OC x4 860k performs just as well as a g4560

Eh.. sure.

if you were going for a system you would never upgrade, and wanted the most performance now, then it might be something to think about.

 

however, you most likely want an upgrade path for the future, and that's where the newer LGA 1151 socket really pays off.

in a few years, you could be buying a used i5 6500 and have much more performance than anything on the FM2 socket could ever give you.

 

also, RX480 > GTX 1060

[nobiggieBIG]

6 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

Eh.. sure.

if you were going for a system you would never upgrade, and wanted the most performance now, then it might be something to think about.

 

however, you most likely want an upgrade path for the future, and that's where the newer LGA 1151 socket really pays off.

in a few years, you could be buying a used i5 6500 and have much more performance than anything on the FM2 socket could ever give you.

 

also, RX480 > GTX 1060

yeah but when the time comes to switch to new intel/amd chips, i can then get the best of whats out then. 

[paddy-stone]

13 hours ago, nobiggieBIG said:

yeah but when the time comes to switch to new intel/amd chips, i can then get the best of whats out then. 

Well, in that case you'd be better off getting a ryzen CPU ina  few months time and an AM4 board, that way you'd have a decent CPU from the start (maybe?) and an AM4 board that usually lasts for a few generations of chips at least, so the upgrade path is there for newer chips or for a better ryzen cpu later on.

[nobiggieBIG]

1 hour ago, paddy-stone said:

Well, in that case you'd be better off getting a ryzen CPU ina  few months time and an AM4 board, that way you'd have a decent CPU from the start (maybe?) and an AM4 board that usually lasts for a few generations of chips at least, so the upgrade path is there for newer chips or for a better ryzen cpu later on.

yeah, you see if i get a g4560 the best card i get would be a 1050/ti because ddr4, mobo, cpu, gpu.

but if i got a x4 860k and oc i would only need cpu and gpu

[paddy-stone]

3 minutes ago, nobiggieBIG said:

yeah, you see if i get a g4560 the best card i get would be a 1050/ti because ddr4, mobo, cpu, gpu.

but if i got a x4 860k and oc i would only need cpu and gpu

I don't know how much the CPUs will cost in the Ryzen range for budget systems, but you're looking at around:-

 

CPU: - around £70 would be my guess for their 4core/8thread

Mobo: - around £75 currently for a cheap-ish B350 that can still overclock if the cooling is good enough.

RAM: - around £58 for 1*8GB 2400Mhz DDR4

 

I'll assume you have the rest of the parts needed for the system, that leaves you with approx £200 to pay, that is not bad at all for a brand new architecture CPU, motherboard that can take upto the Ryzen 7 currently, but should be good for a few generations of CPU/APU at least, and if you need more ram you just buy another 8GB stick in the future. I know not everyone has the same incomes etc, but if you buy older tech the upgrade paths are much narrower and you will essentially be throwing money away IMO.

[Silver47]

17 hours ago, nobiggieBIG said:

x4 860k at 4.2-4.6 ghz

 

g4560 @ stock

I hope you know that both of those are a bottleneck to most good GPUs. Save some money and buy an i5...

 

If you really can't afford an i5 buy the g4560, cause FM2+ is a dead platform allready.

[nobiggieBIG]

3 minutes ago, black0utm1rage said:

I hope you know that both of those are a bottleneck to most good GPUs. Save some money and buy an i5...

 

If you really can't afford an i5 buy the g4560, cause FM2+ is a dead platform allready.

the 1050ti wouldnt bottleneck a g4560 nor would a 1060. and i dont care about bottlenecking. if i can get more than 150 fps in csgo with the two cpu+gpu that i buy im not fussed. And id never buy an i5.

[nobiggieBIG]

not that i dont want to, its money is an object, and i will be asking my parents to buy me either the GPU or the CPU. and im not going to ask for a $200 processor, a $60 mobo and 60$ ram

[Silver47]

5 minutes ago, nobiggieBIG said:

the 1050ti wouldnt bottleneck a g4560 nor would a 1060.

Thats just straight up wrong. Theres a ton of benchmarks out there that shows that a G4560 clearly bottlenecks a GTX 1060 in 1080p

 

, even compared to a low-end i5...

For example: 

 

 

11 minutes ago, nobiggieBIG said:

and i dont care about bottlenecking

well thats another story then.

I'd still say go for the G4560, because its actually a great low-end chip and it grants you a much better upgrade path.

[nobiggieBIG]

3 minutes ago, black0utm1rage said:

Thats just straight up wrong. Theres a ton of benchmarks out there that shows that a G4560 clearly bottlenecks a GTX 1060 in 1080p

 

, even compared to a low-end i5...

For example: 

 

 

well thats another story then.

I'd still say go for the G4560, because its actually a great low-end chip and it grants you a much better upgrade path.

i was originally going to get a i5 3340 because its only 45gbp used. but i cant find lga1155 boards

[Silver47]

7 minutes ago, nobiggieBIG said:

i was originally going to get a i5 3340 because its only 45gbp used. but i cant find lga1155 boards

There are a lot of lga 1155 boards for sale on german ebay, but none of those are cheap... If you're ok with buying used stuff my advice would be to watch out for a Haswell Core i5 (can be obtained for as little as 100€) and a H81 mainboard (~50€). I don't really know what the situation on british ebay is like though. 

[nobiggieBIG]

3 minutes ago, black0utm1rage said:

There are a lot of lga 1155 boards for sale on german ebay, but none of those are cheap... If you're ok with buying used stuff my advice would be to watch out for a Haswell Core i5 (can be obtained for as little as 100€) and a H81 mainboard (~50€). I don't really know what the situation on british ebay is like though. 

yeah. 

 

ive even thought about copying this

[i_build_nanosuits]

G4560 DESTROY the 860K in everything...across the board...much faster CPU.

[nobiggieBIG]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

G4560 DESTROY the 860K in everything...across the board...much faster CPU.

but when overclocked with a h55. im trying to upgrade with a low budget and i dont really want to spend $150-200$ on upgrades

[nobiggieBIG]

48 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

G4560 DESTROY the 860K in everything...across the board...much faster CPU.

also, i do programming, so the 2 cores will give me more stability

[i_build_nanosuits]

6 hours ago, nobiggieBIG said:

but when overclocked with a h55. im trying to upgrade with a low budget and i dont really want to spend $150-200$ on upgrades

 

5 hours ago, nobiggieBIG said:

also, i do programming, so the 2 cores will give me more stability

no, even if you overclock it to 4.5ghz (which many 860K can't even reach...most of them do 4.2 to 4.4ghz) it will still trail behind the intel G4560...

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Athlon-II-X4-860K-vs-Intel-Pentium-G4560/3265vs3892

Also the intel give you an INSANE upgrade path to an i5 or an i7 later on...and this pentium has hyper-threading so it's basically a core i3.

 

BUT, your signature says that you have an FM2+ motherboard with an A8-7600 APU in which case the 860K is completely pointless as it perform the same as your current APU

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Athlon-II-X4-860K-vs-AMD-A8-7600-APU/3265vsm14050

[nobiggieBIG]

3 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

BUT, your signature says that you have an FM2+ motherboard with an A8-7600 APU in which case the 860K is completely pointless as it perform the same as your current APU

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Athlon-II-X4-860K-vs-AMD-A8-7600-APU/3265vsm14050

but thats at stock speeds?

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, nobiggieBIG said:

but thats at stock speeds?

you can overclock your APU and you can overclock the 860K (assuming your board have support for overclocking features) what chipset board do you have?

both of these are based on the same architecture so they perform more or less the same...FM2+ stuff really ain't that fast when compared to modern intel cpu's.