Work/Gaming Computer

[ewkjung]

So I posted a thread a while back about a build that can handle a security system and Photoshop and it worked out pretty well so I figured I would go for it again.

 

Budget & Location

- I'm from Canada, and would like to spend roughly $1000 - $1200.

 

Aim

- The computer would be used for some League and editing software like Photoshop, Illustrator, and Premier.

 

Monitors

- 2 monitors preferably 22 inches and I'll be getting a 3rd monitor later on (would like to have this included in the build cost).

 

Peripherals

- None needed.

 

Why are you upgrading?

- Been using a laptop from 2011 for work and gaming and it's pretty much dead now.

 

Notes

- Not sure which motherboard to get, thinking of a B250 but not sure which one would best suit my needs.

- As far as a video card is concerned I would like to stay with NVidia.

- Still need to pick a PSU and case too.

 

PCPartPicker Link

- https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gjxsWX

[m0k]

are those parts you have already bought in the link? @ewkjung

[Streetguru]

15 minutes ago, ewkjung said:

 

I wouldn't exactly suggest an i5 at this time with Ryzen on the way, I'd probably say it's better just to save up for an R7 1700, though just get 16gbs of fast RAM now so it doesn't need replacing later

 

a G4560 should be more than enough for what you want to do

 

the monitors here have hdmi/dvi and VESA

also totally gotta step you up to dota

As far as the GPU goes you simply can't beat the RX 470 on performance per dollar
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/BJ3y9W
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/BJ3y9W/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($82.26 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock B250M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($74.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($62.98 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 470 4GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($226.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Lite 3 (Windowless) MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($57.75 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Monitor: Asus VS229H-P 21.5" 1920x1080 Monitor  ($153.41 @ DirectCanada)
Monitor: Asus VS229H-P 21.5" 1920x1080 Monitor  ($153.41 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $1021.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-01 03:54 EST-0500

[m0k]

17 minutes ago, ewkjung said:

Aim

- The computer would be used for some League and editing software like Photoshop, Illustrator, and Premier.

@Streetguru hes trying to run these apps. not just games

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, mok said:

@Streetguru hes trying to run these apps. not just games

That's what saving for Ryzen is for

 

the most reasonable i5 is only going to be about 50% faster in multi-threaded applications for triple the price at $260 CAD, really not worth the money there, where as at 400 CAD you get a Ryzen R7 with 8 cores/16 threads for all the workstation stuff, at that point it's 4 times the price for roughly 4 times the performance
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QbGj4D/intel-core-i5-7500-34ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80677i57500

[m0k]

6 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

That's what saving for Ryzen is for

 

the most reasonable i5 is only going to be about 50% faster in multi-threaded applications for triple the price at $250 CAD, really not worth the money there, where as at 400 CAD you get a Ryzen R7 with 8 cores/16 threads for all the workstation stuff
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QbGj4D/intel-core-i5-7500-34ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80677i57500

only 50% faster?

i highly doubt hes doing any heavy lifting with his future PC.

upgrading from a laptop to a desktop i5 is going to be huge for him anyways. 
asking him to spend double on a ryzen cpu and mobo doesnt seem look a good fit. 

 

i understand future-proofing is a thing but unless OP should clarify my first question and also what his workflow looks like

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/r7LsWX

Edited March 1, 2017 by mok
updated pcpartpicker list

[DarkBlade2117]

8 minutes ago, mok said:

@Streetguru hes trying to run these apps. not just games

I mean.. editing on a G4560 isn't impossible. When using photoshop on my i3-6100 my biggest fallback was RAM and the fact that I have it on my HDD and not SSD.

I rendered videos just fine on my i3-6100 also.

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, mok said:

only 50% faster?

i highly doubt hes doing any heavy lifting with his future PC.

upgrading from a laptop to a desktop i5 is going to be huge for him anyways. 
asking him to spend double on a ryzen cpu and mobo doesnt seem look a good fit. 

 

i understand future-proofing is a thing but unless OP should clarify my first question and also what his workflow looks like

Should be something like that, because it's 2c/4t vs 4c/4t at around the same clock speeds, possibly a bit higher due to a few lacking instruction sets on the pentium

it won't be the best for like premier, depends how much he does that, it all just comes down to the time spent rendering

 

but to me it makes sense just to put the money towards the ryzen chip, since it should end up far faster than the money spent on the i5.

 

[Megah3rtz]

30 minutes ago, ewkjung said:

handle a security system and Photoshop

I see you're a professional framer. /s 

 

30 minutes ago, ewkjung said:

roughly $1000 - $1200.

with or without tax?

 

if with tax, what rate (province)

[m0k]

Just now, Streetguru said:

 

(holy shit ive been misreading your posts. thought you said G3258 anniversary)

derp

[ewkjung]

17 minutes ago, mok said:

are those parts you have already bought in the link? @ewkjung

Haven't bought them yet, they are just parts I'm interested in for now.

17 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

I wouldn't exactly suggest an i5 at this time with Ryzen on the way, I'd probably say it's better just to save up for an R7 1700, though just get 16gbs of fast RAM now so it doesn't need replacing later

 

a G4560 should be more than enough for what you want to do

 

the monitors here have hdmi/dvi and VESA

also totally gotta step you up to dota

As far as the GPU goes you simply can't beat the RX 470 on performance per dollar
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/BJ3y9W
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/BJ3y9W/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($82.26 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock B250M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($74.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($62.98 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 470 4GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($226.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Lite 3 (Windowless) MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($57.75 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Monitor: Asus VS229H-P 21.5" 1920x1080 Monitor  ($153.41 @ DirectCanada)
Monitor: Asus VS229H-P 21.5" 1920x1080 Monitor  ($153.41 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $1021.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-01 03:54 EST-0500

Waiting for a Ryzen has crossed my mind, it just really depends on how soon I need this computer.

6 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Should be something like that, because it's 2c/4t vs 4c/4t at around the same clock speeds, possibly a bit higher due to a few lacking instruction sets on the pentium

it won't be the best for like premier, depends how much he does that, it all just comes down to the time spent rendering

 

but to me it makes sense just to put the money towards the ryzen chip, since it should end up far faster than the money spent on the i5.

 

Photoshop and Illustrator are mainly for web design work which happens daily, Premier not so much since I'm just editing my volleyball matches on a weekly basis. The biggest thing is I usually have a TV show running in the background while playing League and having a ton of Photoshop and Illustrator files and my laptop goes to shit when I do that for too long lol

3 minutes ago, Megah3rtz said:

I see you're a professional framer. /s 

 

with or without tax 

With tax preferably.

[Megah3rtz]

1 minute ago, ewkjung said:

With tax preferably.

whats your province 

[ewkjung]

1 minute ago, Megah3rtz said:

whats your province 

Alberta, 5%! lol

[Megah3rtz]

Just now, ewkjung said:

Alberta, 5%! lol

I hate you. 13% ontario

[19_blackie_73]

6 minutes ago, ewkjung said:

Alberta, 5%! lol

6 minutes ago, Megah3rtz said:

I hate you. 13% ontario

you canadians are strange .... why the hell do you have different taxes in different states?

 

On that point:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($405.82 @ shopRBC)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B350M-A Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($120.00 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Team Elite Plus 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($129.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: ADATA Premier SP550 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($99.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($62.98 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card  ($185.25 @ DirectCanada)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Window ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.98 @ NCIX)
Total: $1124.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-01 04:37 EST-0500

 

This machine will not win any glory prices in terms of looks, but the 1050ti should be enough for games and some other stuff at 1080p and the ryzen 7 1700 should give you way better performance in ps than the i5 (though i highly suggest to wait till benchmarks  )

[Megah3rtz]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($82.26 @ NCIX) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($124.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: ADATA Premier SP550 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($59.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 470 4GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($226.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Case: Deepcool TESSERACT SW RED ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Power Supply: XFX TS 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($84.98 @ NCIX) 
Monitor: AOC G2260VWQ6 21.5" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($162.99 @ PC Canada) 
Monitor: BenQ GW2470H 23.8" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor  ($159.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $1142.16

 

Pros:

+G4560 and RX470 is the value sweetspot for gaming.

+75hz Freesync monitor + AMD GPU

+SSD for editing

+good power supply

 

Netural:

*16GB RAM for editiing might not be enough

*2tb of storage for games and footage might not be enough

 

Cons: 

-Monitors are expensive, they could probably be cut down if you excluded the freesync+75hz or 22" size

-G4560 might not be enough for editing

[Streetguru]

12 minutes ago, 19_blackie_73 said:

 

Ditch the SSD and get an RX 470 in there, I can't imagine league is really the only thing he plays

[19_blackie_73]

25 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Ditch the SSD and get an RX 470 in there, I can't imagine league is really the only thing he plays

Ditching the ssd is a good point, as he will need to get monitors, missed that bit  and the 1050ti is still a capable card for most titles. I rather get the strong cpu now and upgrade the gpu down the road than spending now much on the gpu and have to deal with a weak cpu. And probably one good monitor atm is better that 2 really cheap ones.

[ewkjung]

So Ryzen benchmarks will be out tomorrow so I'll wait for that and I'm down to ditch the SSD to get the monitors. Still debating on the 1050 Ti and the RX 470 now.