Future Gaming

[Maxinfamily]

4 minutes ago, DiekyD said:

with graphic resources i mean the elements that need to be loadet at the same time. 8gb of memory means 8 gb of resources that can be saved and loadet at the same time to prefent lagging right ? 

8gb means that you can load textures up to 8gb in total, It doesnt mean It can process 8gb every frame. I means that It has up to 8gb of textures both loaded (which are in use) or preloaded (if you step into a room in a game, you dont see every element, there are stuff behind a bed, for ex, at can be preloaded. Maybe this wasnt the point of the question, but I think It might help (?))

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, DiekyD said:

hank you  and what if a game takes more than 8gb of ramm ? than the rest would be taken from the cpu graphicscard ? and what if i have to radeons but the game is to big in memory for the 8 gb?

 

If you have two cards and you reach the max with the one the other still won't utilize the 8GB on that other card. 

[Maxinfamily]

3 minutes ago, e23 said:

Think you mean 2.5k and not 2k. 1080p is 2k and 1440p is 2.5k (generally). 

Nope. 1080p means 1920x1080, 2k means 1440p (2560x1440).

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, DiekyD said:

 

thank you  and what if a game takes more than 8gb of ramm ? than the rest would be taken from the cpu graphicscard ? and what if i have to radeons but the game is to big in memory for the 8 gb?

You have to see this part per part way.
We have the CPU which is in charge of doing all the physics, artificial intelligence, scripted moments, the entire world is built by the CPU, and this world along the npcs and all is storaged on the system RAM, so having a capable processor and enough memory is important to make sure your computer can create the world of the game properly, the ssd and hdd are where you storage the data, the ssd is faster so it loads all quicker than the hdd.

Then there is the graphical side, the CPU will explain to the GPU what the heck is going on in the world so the GPU can render the images corresponding to it, and all the image textures and such are storaged on its VRAM, bottlenecks happen when the CPU can not explain to the GPU what she is supposed to do [what is going on in the world so it can create the images] fast enough or when the GPU is receiving the information fast enough but then it can not create images quick enough to keep up.

so every thing is important to balance it, a rx 480 8gb has good enough graphical processing power and 8gb of VRAM is enough right now.
 

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, Maxinfamily said:

Nope. 1080p means 1920x1080, 2k means 1440p (2560x1440).

You have to get better informed before correcting other people wrongly.

 

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Maxinfamily said:

Nope. 1080p means 1920x1080, 2k means 1440p (2560x1440).

It's taken from the horizontal column. 

 

1920 - 1.92k (exact) (rounds up to 2k)

2560 - 2.56k (exact) (rounds down to 2.5k) 

 

Check this out. 

 

[DiekyD]

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

You have to see this part per part way.
We have the CPU which is in charge of doing all the physics, artificial intelligence, scripted moments, the entire world is built by the CPU, and this world along the npcs and all is storaged on the system RAM, so having a capable processor and enough memory is important to make sure your computer can create the world of the game properly, the ssd and hdd are where you storage the data, the ssd is faster so it loads all quicker than the hdd.

Then there is the graphical side, the CPU will explain to the GPU what the heck is going on in the world so the GPU can render the images corresponding to it, and all the image textures and such are storaged on its VRAM, bottlenecks happen when the CPU can not explain to the GPU what she is supposed to do [what is going on in the world so it can create the images] fast enough or when the GPU is receiving the information fast enough but then it can not create images quick enough to keep up.

so every thing is important to balance it, a rx 480 8gb has good enough graphical processing power and 8gb of VRAM is enough right now.
 

Intel core i5 7600k with a radeon 480 and a motherboard that is cabable of up to 3460 mhz ddr 4 ram with the equil mhz and last but not least 2 pcis for the future ? 

[DiekyD]

1 minute ago, DiekyD said:

Intel core i5 7600k with a radeon 480 and a motherboard that is cabable of up to 3460 mhz ddr 4 ram with the equil ramm mhz and last but not least 2 pcis for the future ? 

 

[Maxinfamily]

13 minutes ago, e23 said:

It's taken from the horizontal column. 

 

1920 - 1.92k (exact) (rounds up to 2k)

2560 - 2.56k (exact) (rounds down to 2.5k) 

 

Check this out. 

 

Thank you! So yeah, I meant the rx480 is totally capable of 1080p (2k) gaming (there are exceptions, as I said before), but It doesnt run 2.5k smoothly MAXED. Thats what I wanted to say.

 

@Princess Cadence Thank you too! I checked on the 1080p term but I didnt think that I was wrong on the 2k term. I was misstaken, sorry again, I know its not cool to missinformate people.

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, DiekyD said:

Intel core i5 7600k with a radeon 480 and a motherboard that is cabable of up to 3460 mhz ddr 4 ram with the equil mhz and last but not least 2 pcis for the future ? 

God do NOT overclock an i5 it is a waste of money, the higher frequency memory ram though being more beneficial nowadays it is not a complete requirement.

 

Going in the view of making your money count, the route of overcloking the i5 is a total waste of money that youtubers insist on their videos because OCing is what the ´´cool kids´´ do and brings viewers. Being actually concerning for the best bang for the buck you should see how much you can afford, if you are tighter budget a h110m + i5 6500 with 8gb ddr4 ram would be sufficient especially pairing with the rx480.

 

if you have money and wants to go high end, for Cheaper costing you can gather together a b250+ I7 7700 + 16gb of DDR4 2400mhz and a GTX 1070 and have a perfectly fine and capable 1440p gaming rig:

 

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CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB SC GAMING ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case  ($44.08 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($68.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Total: $671.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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CPU: Intel Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($308.74 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($96.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($74.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card  ($379.99 @ Jet)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case  ($44.08 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($68.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1185.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Maxinfamily said:

Thank you! So yeah, I meant the rx480 is totally capable of 1080p (2k) gaming (there are exceptions, as I said before), but It doesnt run 2.5k smoothly MAXED. Thats what I wanted to say.

 

@Princess Cadence Thank you, you too! I checked on the 1080p term but I didnt think that I was wrong on the 2k term. I was misstaken, sorry again, I know its not cool to missinformate people.

k is horizontal column 

p is vertical column 

 

It can be confusing to people at first. 

 

Not a good system to me, but just so you know. 

 

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, DiekyD said:

Intel core i5 7600k with a radeon 480 and a motherboard that is cabable of up to 3460 mhz ddr 4 ram with the equil mhz and last but not least 2 pcis for the future ? 

it will be enough

[DiekyD]

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

God do NOT overclock an i5 it is a waste of money, the higher frequency memory ram though being more beneficial nowadays it is not a complete requirement.

 

Going in the view of making your money count, the route of overcloking the i5 is a total waste of money that youtubers insist on their videos because OCing is what the ´´cool kids´´ do and brings viewers. Being actually concerning for the best bang for the buck you should see how much you can afford, if you are tighter budget a h110m + i5 6500 with 8gb ddr4 ram would be sufficient especially pairing with the rx480.

 

if you have money and wants to go high end, for Cheaper costing you can gather together a b250+ I7 7700 + 16gb of DDR4 2400mhz and a GTX 1070 and have a perfectly fine and capable 1440p gaming rig:

 

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CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB SC GAMING ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case  ($44.08 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($68.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Total: $671.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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CPU: Intel Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($308.74 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($96.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($74.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card  ($379.99 @ Jet)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case  ($44.08 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($68.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1185.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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but when i overclock the i5 properly (means with enough cooling) and i want to run 2 gpu´s isnt it a good thing ? i mean i wouldn´t buy a msi card because i could do it my self but a pcu?

[DiekyD]

3 minutes ago, DiekyD said:

but when i overclock the i5 properly (means with enough cooling) and i want to run 2 gpu´s isnt it a good thing ? i mean i wouldn´t buy a msi card because i could do it my self but a pcu?

 

7 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

God do NOT overclock an i5 it is a waste of money, the higher frequency memory ram though being more beneficial nowadays it is not a complete requirement.

 

Going in the view of making your money count, the route of overcloking the i5 is a total waste of money that youtubers insist on their videos because OCing is what the ´´cool kids´´ do and brings viewers. Being actually concerning for the best bang for the buck you should see how much you can afford, if you are tighter budget a h110m + i5 6500 with 8gb ddr4 ram would be sufficient especially pairing with the rx480.

 

if you have money and wants to go high end, for Cheaper costing you can gather together a b250+ I7 7700 + 16gb of DDR4 2400mhz and a GTX 1070 and have a perfectly fine and capable 1440p gaming rig:

 

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB SC GAMING ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case  ($44.08 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($68.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Total: $671.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-20 12:52 EST-0500

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($308.74 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($96.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($74.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card  ($379.99 @ Jet)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case  ($44.08 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($68.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1185.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-20 12:55 EST-0500

 

`because a saw a review and there it was a huge fps increase 

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, DiekyD said:

but when i overclock the i5 properly (means with enough cooling) and i want to run 2 gpu´s isnt it a good thing ? i mean i wouldn´t buy a msi card because i could do it my self but a pcu?

The locked 7700 will still be far superior while costing the same or even less as it can work fine even on its stock cooler, and its Hyper Threading will make it even better for a dual GPU set up as it has 4 extra threads over the 7600k.

Really, do not get mistaken, you can overclock the shit out of an i5, it will remain worse performing compared to the locked i7, here is a nice example:

 

a Highly overclocked i5 6600k to 4.6ghz is still inferior to the normal locked i7 6700 and thanks to the newer games being capable of multi-threading more and more this is a tendency that will only increase and the advantage of the locked i7 will tend to only increase.

[Princess Luna]

Also, Always prefer going the higher end single GPU you can, if you will buy a single rx480 now to someday buy another one then maybe it is a good path... but if you have the money right now to buy two r x480 then just buy the single GTX 1070 instead, this way you can use the cheap motherboard... keep in mind you want the less complication possible, the high end build I showed you does not need any overclocking done, so no issues there with temperatures or what not and a single higher end GPU will simply work better for your needs.

[DiekyD]

9 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

The locked 7700 will still be far superior while costing the same or even less as it can work fine even on its stock cooler, and its Hyper Threading will make it even better for a dual GPU set up as it has 4 extra threads over the 7600k.

Really, do not get mistaken, you can overclock the shit out of an i5, it will remain worse performing compared to the locked i7, here is a nice example:

 

a Highly overclocked i5 6600k to 4.6ghz is still inferior to the normal locked i7 6700 and thanks to the newer games being capable of multi-threading more and more this is a tendency that will only increase and the advantage of the locked i7 will tend to only increase.

thank you very much for this  but the i 7 is an older model could there be any advances by the i5 ?

[DiekyD]

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Also, Always prefer going the higher end single GPU you can, if you will buy a single rx480 now to someday buy another one then maybe it is a good path... but if you have the money right now to buy two r x480 then just buy the single GTX 1070 instead, this way you can use the cheap motherboard... keep in mind you want the less complication possible, the high end build I showed you does not need any overclocking done, so no issues there with temperatures or what not and a single higher end GPU will simply work better for your needs.

the i 5 cost much less

 

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, DiekyD said:

the i 5 cost much less

 

That is the thing, the old rule that i5 is enough for gaming had in mind the locked 6500/7500 when you get on this stupid overclocking the i5 6600k/7600k trend you are actually paying More money [the z270 motherboard is the double of the price of a b250 and good aftermarket cooling solutions are not cheap] than getting the locked i7 with the cheaper motherboard and its included stock cooler.

Also the i7 7700 and i5 7600k are both Kaby Lake, one is not newer than the other, they are the same gen and like I already exposed the 7700 will outperform the 7600k regardless the OC you do on it.

 

However to make all what I am saying true then you need to go with a single GPU solution as it wont support crossfire and or sli however like I already also explained you are much better off with a single strong GPU than two lower end GPUs together, considering compatibility issues and Power supply needs you will end up also spending Less to go with the GTX 1070 than two rx 480 [cheaper motherboard, cheaper power supply] and end up with better in game support.

[DiekyD]

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

That is the thing, the old rule that i5 is enough for gaming had in mind the locked 6500/7500 when you get on this stupid overclocking the i5 6600k/7600k trend you are actually paying More money [the z270 motherboard is the double of the price of a b250 and good aftermarket cooling solutions are not cheap] than getting the locked i7 with the cheaper motherboard and its included stock cooler.

Also the i7 7700 and i5 7600k are both Kaby Lake, one is not newer than the other, they are the same gen and like I already exposed the 7700 will outperform the 7600k regardless the OC you do on it.

 

However to make all what I am saying true then you need to go with a single GPU solution as it wont support crossfire and or sli however like I already also explained you are much better off with a single strong GPU than two lower end GPUs together, considering compatibility issues and Power supply needs you will end up also spending Less to go with the GTX 1070 than two rx 480 [cheaper motherboard, cheaper power supply] and end up with better in game support.

you speak truth but i have to say that in the vidio you send me the pcus are bottelneckt from the gpu its on 100 % 

[Bananasplit_00]

1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

yeah buy a rx480 8gb or a Fury X and get a freesync panel, it will be good enough...

 

If you have more cash to spend go with the GTX 1070

 

standard would be 1920x1080p
if you want ultra wide you could get a 2560x1080p one like I said it already is a great quality path, higher than this would be 1440p which you would need the Fury X or the GTX 1070 to make sure it lasts the next two years

Fury X is shit value, the Fury is the one you go for

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

Fury X is shit value, the Fury is the one you go for

Gosh I write an entire page trying to show OP how to get the best values and you gonna go crucify me on that... frankly...

[DiekyD]

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Gosh I write an entire page trying to show OP how to get the best values and you gonna go crucify me on that... frankly...

soo i thing im going for the intelcore i5 -7600k and bring it up to 4 ghz. Than an Radeon 480 and a motherboard with two pci.

When i wanted a singel gpu than i 100% would by the 1060 but it has no slio support. 

[DiekyD]

9 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Gosh I write an entire page trying to show OP how to get the best values and you gonna go crucify me on that... frankly...

the i7 lays way over my budget

[Bananasplit_00]

18 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Gosh I write an entire page trying to show OP how to get the best values and you gonna go crucify me on that... frankly...

yep because the Fury is insaine value when the Fury X really isnt that good value