Is this a good first build?

[Shadoww]

For a little while now I have been planning a first gaming pc. After doing many revisions and learning new things, I feel confident about this build. However as i'm just a noobie and looking for some feedback, I came to these forums to ask if this is a good gaming pc. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QR8Ljc 

I'm on a budget and don't plan to go above $700. I also have two more questions. Are these parts compatible with each other? Also, will I be safe overclocking my cpu to 3.8 GHz and overclocking my gpu?

 

Any feedback is appreciated! Thank you very much! 

[Guest]

Compatible? Yes

Good? Hell no

[stealth80]

Wait for RYZEN, you will prob get a better cpu for the money - you could also save a litte more $$$ in that time also

[Guest]

This would be a better buy

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($108.37 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Team Elite Plus 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($50.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.33 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 8GB ARMOR 8G OC Video Card  ($219.99 @ B&H) 
Case: BitFenix Nova ATX Mid Tower Case  ($28.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($49.99 @ B&H) 
Monitor: AOC G2260VWQ6 21.5" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor  ($119.99 @ Best Buy) 
Total: $674.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-12 18:33 EST-0500

[Shadoww]

3 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Compatible? Yes

Good? Hell no

I'm sorry but can you be a little more specific? If it's not good then I would like to know specifically why. I don't know what's wrong if your just telling me "hell no".

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Shadoww said:

I'm sorry but can you be a little more specific? If it's not good then I would like to know specifically why. I don't know what's wrong if your just telling me "hell no".

Yes, athlon is really old and offer no future upgrade. Overclocking can do but still you are overclocking a slow chip. There are cheaper PSU out there for the money too. Also reference design (like the GPU you have) are usually loud. They tend to be avoided too, look at my build above

[Shiv78]

Sorry to burst your bubble... that is an extremely bad build. Athlon is very trash [old, slow, not upgradeable], reference AMD cards are terribly loud and hot, and that PSU isn't great value**.

 

Went Skylake b/c H110 is very cheap.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YWH6m8
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YWH6m8/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($176.31 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  ($53.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.33 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 4GB Video Card  ($184.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Deepcool TESSERACT WH ATX Mid Tower Case  ($36.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($49.99 @ B&H) 
Monitor: Acer G246HLAbd 24.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $698.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-12 18:36 EST-0500

[iRileyx]

4 minutes ago, Shiv78 said:

and that PSU isn't great.

The one youve put is the same tier quality as the ones he's put.

But yours is cheaper, so the better option  

[Shiv78]

2 minutes ago, RKRiley said:

But yours is cheaper, so the better option  

well yeah I meant great value lol

[Shadoww]

1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Yes, athlon is really old and offer no future upgrade. Overclocking can do but still you are overclocking a slow chip. There are cheaper PSU out there for the money too. Also reference design (like the GPU you have) are usually loud. They tend to be avoided too, look at my build above

The Athlon X4 845 cpu was only released about a year ago, it can't be that old can it? In terms of the GPU, according to what I read it's supposed to be pretty silent especially Sapphire ones.

I looked at your build as it is slightly cheaper there's some problems I have with it. Won't the cpu be bad at handling multiple processes especially in gaming because it has only 2 cores? With only 1 8gb memory It will lack dual channel support then meaning I will lose framerate in games? After doing some quick research, I see that the case you recommended is a piece of crap and has horrible cable management.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Shadoww said:

The Athlon X4 845 cpu was only released about a year ago, it can't be that old can it? In terms of the GPU, according to what I read it's supposed to be pretty silent especially Sapphire ones.

I looked at your build as it is slightly cheaper there's some problems I have with it. Won't the cpu be bad at handling multiple processes especially in gaming because it has only 2 cores? With only 1 8gb memory It will lack dual channel support then meaning I will lose framerate in games? After doing some quick research, I see that the case you recommended is a piece of crap and has horrible cable management.

Dual channel and single channel has no difference in performance

It's not about cores. FX 8350 has 8 cores yet they can't compete with 4 cores i5 or i7. Each core works really slow on Athlon

It's not about what manufacture make them, reference with similar design are hot and loud like other pointed out too

[Shadoww]

10 minutes ago, Shiv78 said:

Sorry to burst your bubble... that is an extremely bad build. Athlon is very trash [old, slow, not upgradeable], reference AMD cards are terribly loud and hot, and that PSU isn't great value**.

 

Went Skylake b/c H110 is very cheap.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YWH6m8
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YWH6m8/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($176.31 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  ($53.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.33 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 4GB Video Card  ($184.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Deepcool TESSERACT WH ATX Mid Tower Case  ($36.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($49.99 @ B&H) 
Monitor: Acer G246HLAbd 24.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $698.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-12 18:36 EST-0500

Yeah the PSU is a bit expensive but with that one(since it's not even semi-modular) it will make cable management more of a hassle and could be not compatible with my build. Sorry, as this will be my first build and I haven't built a pc before, i'm worried about cable management and compatibility.

[Shadoww]

5 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Dual channel and single channel has no difference in performance

It's not about cores. FX 8350 has 8 cores yet they can't compete with 4 cores i5 or i7. Each core works really slow on Athlon

It's not about what manufacture make them, reference with similar design are hot and loud like other pointed out too

hmm... ok. I'm not worried about what manufacture made them, I'm just worried about performance. What is a good budget cpu that is overclockable?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Shadoww said:

hmm... ok. I'm not worried about what manufacture made them, I'm just worried about performance. What is a good budget cpu that is overclockable?

honestly you don't have to always overclock to gain performance when your performance is already high

[Brooksie359]

4 minutes ago, Shadoww said:

hmm... ok. I'm not worried about what manufacture made them, I'm just worried about performance. What is a good budget cpu that is overclockable?

honestly wait for ryzen to come out because currently there aren't any. 

[Shadoww]

2 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

honestly you don't have to always overclock to gain performance when your performance is already high

I just wan't to be a little prepared for the future. But anyways, you didn't answer my question. What is a good budget cpu?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Shadoww said:

I just wan't to be a little prepared for the future. But anyways, you didn't answer my question. What is a good budget cpu?

i5 6600k so far or some K SKU haswell 4th gen like i5 4690k. though you can look at FX lineup which is old as well. 

[Shadoww]

2 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

honestly wait for ryzen to come out because currently there aren't any. 

Yeah I've heard about the AMD ryzen cpus. But, I've seen that they are a couple hundred dollars or more. Or maybe that was a specific ryzen cpu I was looking at? I don't know 

[stconquest]

21 minutes ago, Shadoww said:

The Athlon X4 845 cpu was only released about a year ago, it can't be that old can it? In terms of the GPU, according to what I read it's supposed to be pretty silent especially Sapphire ones.

I looked at your build as it is slightly cheaper there's some problems I have with it. Won't the cpu be bad at handling multiple processes especially in gaming because it has only 2 cores? With only 1 8gb memory It will lack dual channel support then meaning I will lose framerate in games? After doing some quick research, I see that the case you recommended is a piece of crap and has horrible cable management.

The Athlon architecture is roughly 35% slower than current Skylake arch.  That means at the same clockspeed, the Intel is much faster.  The i3 can run up to four threads for many tasks.

 

Dual channel RAM does increase performance because of the bandwidth throughput.  Believe it or not, 4GB sticks are worse than 8GB sticks due to interleaving.  8GB sticks can process twice as much data in the same time frame in certain tasks, but this does not affect performance all that much (especially in gaming).  

 

It is a box to hold your parts... with your budget I would be happy just to squeeze one in.  The Corsair 200R is not some premium case.  A $25 dollar case will do the same job.

 

Spend $25 more and you have a decent quad core with a RX 480 (8GB), or stay in budget with a 4GB RX 480:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 4GB Video Card  ($184.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Xion XON-310_BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($28.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($50.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: AOC i2267Fw 22.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor  ($100.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $694.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-12 19:04 EST-0500

 

[Brooksie359]

3 minutes ago, Shadoww said:

I just wan't to be a little prepared for the future. But anyways, you didn't answer my question. What is a good budget cpu?

a good budget cpu generally are locked. if you want a good budget cpu that is overclockable and will be futureproof i would wait and see what amd's new line of cpu has to offer because all of them are supposed to be overclockable. 

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, Shadoww said:

Yeah I've heard about the AMD ryzen cpus. But, I've seen that they are a couple hundred dollars or more. Or maybe that was a specific ryzen cpu I was looking at? I don't know 

you were probably looking at the 8 cores. they will have quad cores for less. also when they come out prices of other cpus will likely go down also so there's no reason to not wait. they come out early march. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, stconquest said:

The Athlon architecture is roughly 35% slower than current Skylake arch.  That means at the same clockspeed, the Intel is much faster.  The i3 can run up to four threads for many tasks.

 

Dual channel RAM does increase performance because of the bandwidth throughput.  Believe it or not, 4GB sticks are worse than 8GB sticks due to interleaving.  8GB sticks can process twice as much data in the same time frame in certain tasks, but this does not affect performance all that much (especially in gaming).  

 

It is a box to hold your parts... with your budget I would be happy just to squeeze one in.  The Corsair 200R is not some premium case.  A $25 dollar case will do the same job.

 

Spend $25 more and you have a decent quad core with a RX 480 (8GB), or stay in budget with a 4GB RX 480:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($46.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 4GB Video Card  ($184.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Xion XON-310_BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($28.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($50.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: AOC i2267Fw 22.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor  ($100.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $694.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-12 19:04 EST-0500

 

That drive better not be DOA or fail within a week

 

[Shadoww]

2 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

you were probably looking at the 8 cores. they will have quad cores for less. also when they come out prices of other cpus will likely go down also so there's no reason to not wait. they come out early march. 

Ok, I knew I was looking at the wrong thing. I'll just wait for them to come out and decide on whether to get one of them instead.

Thank you very much!

[stconquest]

2 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

That drive better not be DOA or fail within a week

 

Same chance of failure as the WD blue, for the most part.

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, Shadoww said:

Ok, I knew I was looking at the wrong thing. I'll just wait for them to come out and decide on whether to get one of them instead.

Thank you very much!

also keep in mind that the new cpus will have better performance per clock than the athlon so even if the quad core has a lower clock speed than the athlon it will perform better especially if you can overclock it well. just wait for benchmarks and see how its performs.