DOOM Demo Vulkan Crash.

[Milanesa-chan]

Hi everyone! I recently updated my video card to an RX 460 and I wanted to test it by playing DOOM. As I always do, I downloaded the Demo before buying. To me it was good, ~45 FPS in Ultra. I was told that enabling Vulkan in this game gives you a major performance boost, so I tested it and... instant crash. After the crash, the game won't even launch, It would always show the crash window.

I managed to launch it with "+r_renderapi 0" in launch options, but as soon as I activate Vulkan the game crashes. I have many doubts by this, I've been having some issues with every single device I bought, so I'm afraid it could be a video card issue, but it seems very unlikely, also, I have a crappy PSU but again, as long as my understanding of computers go, it's unlikely to be a hardware issue.

Also I'm interested on buying this game, but this issue is holding me back, do you think it's a demo only problem? could the actual game be fixed?.

 

I leave you with my system specs:

• CPU: AMD A6-3670 (4 cores @ 2.7 Ghz)
• RAM: 8gb DDR3
• MOBO: Asus M1A55-M LX (BIOS version 1103 - 02/24/2012)
• Graphics Card: ASUS Strix RX 460 4gb (Driver version 17.1.2, updated as of 07/02/2017)
• OS: Windows 10 Pro x64

And if you're asking for the PSU... it says 600w on the side, but it didn't even come with a power switch, I had to connect the Video Card with a Molex-to-6-pin adapter.

 

Oh, and the latest crash message (after trying to launch with "+r_renderapi 1" wich launchs it in Vulkan):

 

Callstack Function(desc)                       Line Bytes File       Process       Address
---------------------------                    ---- ----- ----       -------       -------
vkWaitForFences()                              ...  +     0x95220fff vulkan-1.dll  
GetGameSystemInterface()                       ...  +     0x5a7537d5 DOOMx64vk.exe 
GetGameSystemInterface()                       ...  +     0x5a75fab4 DOOMx64vk.exe 
GetGameSystemInterface()                       ...  +     0x5a75a971 DOOMx64vk.exe 
GetGameSystemInterface()                       ...  +     0x5afe9bb7 DOOMx64vk.exe 
** UNKNOWN **(** FUNC_PARAM_ERROR **)          ...  +     0x59b67891 DOOMx64vk.exe 
GetGameSystemInterface()                       ...  +     0x5b2b472c DOOMx64vk.exe 
BaseThreadInitThunk()                          ...  +     0xb3ae8364 KERNEL32.DLL  
RtlUserThreadStart()                           ...  +     0xb40370d1 ntdll.dll     

Register Info                
---------------------------  
EDI:    0x0000000007E1AC90  ESI: 0x0000000000000000  EAX:   0x000000000274DFC0
EBX:    0x00000000093B0B70  ECX: 0x00000000092FE7C0  EDX:   0x0000000000000001
EIP:    0x00007FFC95220FFF  EBP: 0x00000000070963F0  SegCs: 0x0000000000000033
EFlags: 0x0000000000010202  ESP: 0x00000000070962C0  SegSs: 0x000000000000002B

Exception Info               
---------------------------  
ExpCode:          0xC0000005 (Access Violation)
ExpFlags:         0         
ExpAddress:       0x00007FFC95220FFF 

Build & Runtime Info        
--------------------------- 
User:             Luca        
Version:          20160720-180331-purple-razzmatazz        
File Path:        C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\DOOM Demo\DOOMx64vk.exe        
System Time:      2/7/2017 14:41:22        
Build String:     20160720-180331-purple-razzmatazz        
VT File Path:             
VMTR Override:    generated/pagefiles        
Launch Command:   "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\DOOM Demo\DOOMx64vk.exe"  +r_renderAPI -2         

Memory Info                 
--------------------------- 
In Use:           34%      
MB Physical RAM:  8172        
MB Physical Free: 5362        
MB Paging File:   11956        
MB Paging Free:   7303        
MB User Address:  134217728        
MB User Free:     134216773        

CPU Info                    
--------------------------- 
Num Packages:     1        
Num Cores:        4        
Num Logical:      4        
CPU ID:           Generic        
CPU MHz:          2697    

 

To sum up, the exception is "0xC0000005 (Access Violation)". Which is supposed to be the game trying to access memory out of it's reach or something like that.

 

Thanks in advance!

[Guest Kloaked]

I wonder if the demo version is an earlier version of the game because apparently that issue was fixed in a later update.

[Milanesa-chan]

4 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

I wonder if the demo version is an earlier version of the game because apparently that issue was fixed in a later update.

I think I'm gonna download a pirate version of the game to test if it works, but I don't want to download 9000 gigs at snail-speed, Isn't there any "tech-demo" for Vulkan? or at least a lightier game that supports it, I want to test it, but the only thing I can test it on is this demo, and it doesn't work. If you know of any benchmark/tech demo/light game that supports Vulkan, please tell me!. Thanks!

[Guest Kloaked]

3 minutes ago, Milanesa-chan said:

I think I'm gonna download a pirate version of the game to test if it works, but I don't want to download 9000 gigs at snail-speed, Isn't there any "tech-demo" for Vulkan? or at least a lightier game that supports it, I want to test it, but the only thing I can test it on is this demo, and it doesn't work. If you know of any benchmark/tech demo/light game that supports Vulkan, please tell me!. Thanks!

Not sure if one is out currently. I know Futuremark is going to have a Vulkan benchmark soon.

[typographie]

12 minutes ago, Milanesa-chan said:

I think I'm gonna download a pirate version of the game to test if it works, but I don't want to download 9000 gigs at snail-speed, Isn't there any "tech-demo" for Vulkan? or at least a lightier game that supports it, I want to test it, but the only thing I can test it on is this demo, and it doesn't work. If you know of any benchmark/tech demo/light game that supports Vulkan, please tell me!. Thanks!

I don't know of such a benchmark unfortunately, but for what it's worth Steam has a pretty generous refund policy. As long as you decide within 2 hours of play time or 14 days of purchase, you should have no issues refunding it if you need to.

 

Additionally, I think Doom as been as cheap as $20 in previous Steam sales, so if you're willing to wait a bit you may be able to get it far cheaper.

[Milanesa-chan]

2 minutes ago, typographie said:

I don't know of such a benchmark unfortunately, but for what it's worth Steam has a pretty generous refund policy. As long as you decide within 2 hours of play time or 14 days of purchase, you should have no issues refunding it if you need to.

 

Additionally, I think Doom as been as cheap as $20 in previous Steam sales, so if you're willing to wait a bit you may be able to get it far cheaper.

Well, thanks! I forgot about the refund policy, so I guess I'm gonna buy it the next discount, and refund it if Vulkan still doesn't work.

 

10 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Not sure if one is out currently. I know Futuremark is going to have a Vulkan benchmark soon.

I guess if Doom still doesn't work, I'll try Futuremark and see if it's a problem on my side or on doom's side.

 

It's sad because I've heard that switching to Vulkan is like a 20 FPS boost, which will get me to those lovely 60 fps. Also, I don't think this is a problem, but the performance on Ultra and on Low run both at almost the same FPS (maybe 5 fps difference), I guess that it's because of OpenGL, but I'm not sure.

 

If you have any other suggestion, I'll be thankful to hear it!

[Guest Kloaked]

1 minute ago, Milanesa-chan said:

Well, thanks! I forgot about the refund policy, so I guess I'm gonna buy it the next discount, and refund it if Vulkan still doesn't work.

 

I guess if Doom still doesn't work, I'll try Futuremark and see if it's a problem on my side or on doom's side.

 

It's sad because I've heard that switching to Vulkan is like a 20 FPS boost, which will get me to those lovely 60 fps. Also, I don't think this is a problem, but the performance on Ultra and on Low run both at almost the same FPS (maybe 5 fps difference), I guess that it's because of OpenGL, but I'm not sure.

 

If you have any other suggestion, I'll be thankful to hear it!

Well, you are running on a really old CPU platform. I don't think the best video card in the world with that CPU would run even Doom properly. Consider upgrading to a newer CPU platform that isn't by AMD.

[Milanesa-chan]

1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

Well, you are running on a really old CPU platform. I don't think the best video card in the world with that CPU would run even Doom properly. Consider upgrading to a newer CPU platform that isn't by AMD.

Yes, I know, I'm waiting for the new AMD lineup Ryzen, why shouldn't I use an AMD CPU?.

[Guest Kloaked]

1 minute ago, Milanesa-chan said:

Yes, I know, I'm waiting for the new AMD lineup Ryzen, why shouldn't I use an AMD CPU?.

Aside from Ryzen since I haven't seen tangible benchmarks of it yet, AMD's performance especially for gaming is terrible even with the 8000-series ones. You may get a little below or close to Intel performance in terms of maximum frame rate, but your minimum frame rate is what current AMD CPUs will give an issue with, as even an 8350 can't match a Skylake i3.

[typographie]

7 minutes ago, Milanesa-chan said:

It's sad because I've heard that switching to Vulkan is like a 20 FPS boost, which will get me to those lovely 60 fps.

For what it's worth, that does appear to pan out in the benchmarks:

 

 

From http://techreport.com/review/30488/amd-radeon-rx-460-graphics-card-reviewed/3

[Milanesa-chan]

4 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Aside from Ryzen since I haven't seen tangible benchmarks of it yet, AMD's performance especially for gaming is terrible even with the 8000-series ones. You may get a little below or close to Intel performance in terms of maximum frame rate, but your minimum frame rate is what current AMD CPUs will give an issue with, as even an 8350 can't match a Skylake i3.

Okay, I only like AMD for the lower prices (I live in a country with bad economic problems, so price/performance is the main point here, that's why I have a 460) but if you tell me Intel is a better choice I guess I could get a cheap one, an i5-7400 (which is Kabylake I guess) is just inside my budget, but it seems almost the same as my current one, would it be good to upgrade to it?.

 

Aside from that, the crash on Vulkan doesn't seem to be because of low resources, activating Vulkan should work even on a 2 cores 1 Ghz CPU (at 1 FPS).

 

8 minutes ago, typographie said:

For what it's worth, that does appear to pan out in the benchmarks:

 

 

From http://techreport.com/review/30488/amd-radeon-rx-460-graphics-card-reviewed/3

Wow, everyday I feel better for choosing this card, the price is so low for it's performance. I haven't seen any actual benchmarks comparing this particularly, I just made an estimate on various, different benchmarks.

[typographie]

5 minutes ago, Milanesa-chan said:

Okay, I only like AMD for the lower prices (I live in a country with bad economic problems, so price/performance is the main point here, that's why I have a 460) but if you tell me Intel is a better choice I guess I could get a cheap one, an i5-7400 (which is Kabylake I guess) is just inside my budget, but it seems almost the same as my current one, would it be good to upgrade to it?.

An i5-7400 is vastly superior to your A6-3670. CPUs are a lot more than just their core counts and GHz. In terms of actual, real-world performance there's no comparison.

 

But while that CPU is a very safe bet if you need something right now, I personally think it's pretty wise to wait and at least see what happens with Ryzen before you make any drastic decisions.

[Milanesa-chan]

3 minutes ago, typographie said:

An i5-7400 is vastly superior to your A6-3670. CPUs are a lot more than just their core counts and GHz. In terms of actual, real-world performance there's no comparison.

 

But while that CPU is a very safe bet if you need something right now, I personally think it's pretty wise to wait and at least see what happens with Ryzen before you make any drastic decisions.

Yes, as money is key today, and AMD is known for it's low prices, I'm gonna wait for legit specs and reviews and then ask this forum if it's a good choice. Boy, judging a CPU is so hard.

[Guest Kloaked]

3 minutes ago, Milanesa-chan said:

Yes, as money is key today, and AMD is known for it's low prices, I'm gonna wait for legit specs and reviews and then ask this forum if it's a good choice. Boy, judging a CPU is so hard.

It's very hard, yes. Something else to take into account as to why the i3 will stomp an 8350 is because when you get an i3 (or a locked i5 even) for gaming purposes you want to get fast memory as long as the motherboard can support it. Take a look at this video for example.

 

 

[typographie]

18 minutes ago, Milanesa-chan said:

Yes, as money is key today, and AMD is known for it's low prices, I'm gonna wait for legit specs and reviews and then ask this forum if it's a good choice. Boy, judging a CPU is so hard.

I'd caution you that AMD has a reputation for low prices, but they don't really have a product that's worth as much as a Kaby Lake Core i5. It's easy for an AMD FX-8350 or FX-6300 to look like a really great deal when in reality they are dangerously close to Intel's $125 i3's in many applications. The AMD FX CPUs are from 2013 2012, the only way AMD is still selling them is through aggressive pricing.

 

An AMD Ryzen CPU that actually competes with the i5-7400 on equal footing is probably going to be a lot closer to the price of that i5 than you're used to seeing from AMD. But still, I think that alone could shake up the market enough to be worth waiting a bit.