Bottleneck advice

[Rhys19762]

Hi, I am still new to PCs and have recently uprgraded my gpu. My current specs are bellow.

 

cpu: intel i5-6500 lga1151 3.20 ghz

memory: 8gb ddr4 two sticks 

gpu: msi gtx 1080 gaming x 8gb

power: 800 watt 

motherboard: msi z170m mortar 

 

Now I know more likely than not I am getting a bottleneck because some times my games stutter, and with a card like this I know that shouldn't be happening and I should be getting fps over 60. So my question is what is bottlenecking this system and what can I do to fix or replace in order to unlock my graphics cards true potential. All help is appreciated thanks

[Slottr]

What are you playing?

 

Upgrade your cpu.

[King_Tuna]

Try Non-K OC on your i5 6500.

[Streetguru]

11 minutes ago, Rhys19762 said:

 

Please tell me you don't have a 1080p display

 

You're probably having a driver issue, that CPU won't bottleneck for 60hz gaming

What game is stuttering? Did you do a fresh install on your OS when you changed your video card?

[dalekphalm]

Hold on a second.

 

7 minutes ago, Slottr said:

What are you playing?

 

Upgrade your cpu.

He should not need to upgrade his CPU to get rid of "stutter". The i5 6500 is a fine CPU for gaming. He might get increased FPS (limited, but some) with a better CPU, but that will likely do little to increase his minimum FPS.

7 minutes ago, King_Tuna said:

Try Non-K OC on your i5 6500.

I would advise against that. It's harder to tune a BLK OC, and is just going to add another point of failure for troubleshooting. If he doesn't make his OC 100% stable, it could cause issues that might take him forever to discover.

 

10 minutes ago, Rhys19762 said:

Hi, I am still new to PCs and have recently uprgraded my gpu. My current specs are bellow.

 

cpu: intel i5-6500 lga1151 3.20 ghz

memory: 8gb ddr4 two sticks 

gpu: msi gtx 1080 gaming x 8gb

power: 800 watt 

motherboard: msi z170m mortar 

 

Now I know more likely than not I am getting a bottleneck because some times my games stutter, and with a card like this I know that shouldn't be happening and I should be getting fps over 60. So my question is what is bottlenecking this system and what can I do to fix or replace in order to unlock my graphics cards true potential. All help is appreciated thanks

Please list specific games, what settings are used, what resolution, and the min and average FPS for said game.

 

You shouldn't have any "bottlenecking" in that system at all. Sure, your GPU outclasses your CPU, and if you upgraded your CPU, you might see a limited FPS increase, but honestly, you should be getting pretty smooth gameplay, assuming 1080p or 1440p.

[Rhys19762]

19 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Hold on a second.

 

He should not need to upgrade his CPU to get rid of "stutter". The i5 6500 is a fine CPU for gaming. He might get increased FPS (limited, but some) with a better CPU, but that will likely do little to increase his minimum FPS.

I would advise against that. It's harder to tune a BLK OC, and is just going to add another point of failure for troubleshooting. If he doesn't make his OC 100% stable, it could cause issues that might take him forever to discover.

 

Please list specific games, what settings are used, what resolution, and the min and average FPS for said game.

 

You shouldn't have any "bottlenecking" in that system at all. Sure, your GPU outclasses your CPU, and if you upgraded your CPU, you might see a limited FPS increase, but honestly, you should be getting pretty smooth gameplay, assuming 1080p or 1440p.

I play gta 5 and battle field 1 on fairly high settings with msaa usually on 8 on 1080p and average between 58 and 60 fps. However I don't believe this is the best I can get out of my card. Is there anyway I can get a higher and smoother fps rate? Thanks for the help

[SkilledRebuilds]

12 minutes ago, Rhys19762 said:

I play gta 5 and battle field 1 on fairly high settings with msaa usually on 8 on 1080p and average between 58 and 60 fps. However I don't believe this is the best I can get out of my card. Is there anyway I can get a higher and smoother fps rate? Thanks for the help

The two most notorious games for ruining expected performance with using lower end i5's and i3's...

How are the other games (that are NOT CPU intensive)?

[dalekphalm]

47 minutes ago, Rhys19762 said:

I play gta 5 and battle field 1 on fairly high settings with msaa usually on 8 on 1080p and average between 58 and 60 fps. However I don't believe this is the best I can get out of my card. Is there anyway I can get a higher and smoother fps rate? Thanks for the help

What are your minimum FPS in those games? That's one major cause of stuttering.

 

I would also try enabling VSYNC, and see if that helps.

 

You probably will experience better average framerates with a CPU with faster single core performance (A higher clocked i5 or i7, for example).

 

However, in your first post, you specifically said you had stutter. Your CPU should not cause "stutter", even with those games. MSAA for example is pretty GPU intensive, not much on the CPU.

 

This could be caused by a driver conflict. You said you recently upgraded your GPU. What was the old GPU? You may need to uninstall your current GPU driver, "clean" the old drivers (remove all traces of them, including the one you just removed), then reinstall the new driver.

[Rhys19762]

48 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

What are your minimum FPS in those games? That's one major cause of stuttering.

 

I would also try enabling VSYNC, and see if that helps.

 

You probably will experience better average framerates with a CPU with faster single core performance (A higher clocked i5 or i7, for example).

 

However, in your first post, you specifically said you had stutter. Your CPU should not cause "stutter", even with those games. MSAA for example is pretty GPU intensive, not much on the CPU.

 

This could be caused by a driver conflict. You said you recently upgraded your GPU. What was the old GPU? You may need to uninstall your current GPU driver, "clean" the old drivers (remove all traces of them, including the one you just removed), then reinstall the new driver.

My previous card was a msi gtx 980 4gb. I didn't uninstall those drivers before installing the new card as I was advised I didn't need to, however I don't know if that could be causing the stutter. I think the min fps I reached on gta 5 was around 40 and if I increases the reflection msaa I would go down to 30. Do you think my settings are perhaps too high? And if I were to upgrade my CPU would I see any improvement? And what CPU would you recommend for my system. Thanks so much for you're advice, I really appreciate it!

[dalekphalm]

1 minute ago, Rhys19762 said:

My previous card was a msi gtx 980 4gb. I didn't uninstall those drivers before installing the new card as I was advised I didn't need to, however I don't know if that could be causing the stutter. I think the min fps I reached on gta 5 was around 40 and if I increases the reflection msaa I would go down to 30. Do you think my settings are perhaps too high? And if I were to upgrade my CPU would I see any improvement? And what CPU would you recommend for my system. Thanks so much for you're advice, I really appreciate it!

So anyone that said you don't need to remove the old driver was wrong. Sure, most of the time, it probably won't cause an issue, but it could also definitely cause stuttering.

 

I would fully uninstall the drivers. Use Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) to do this:

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

 

Then reinstall the newest NVIDIA driver from their website.

 

If that makes no difference, I would start tweaking your settings. To get buttery smooth gameplay, you want your minimum FPS to be 60, and your max to be 60+. If possible, cap your FPS at 60 too, so it pretty much always sits there (Not all games support this natively).

 

If you wanted to upgrade your CPU, I would pretty much look at the i7-6700K and nothing else. An i5-6600K will not be much of an improvement, yet you have a Z-series motherboard, so getting the K series i7 allows you to overclock. You can often push them to 4.5GHz or faster (Not guaranteed though). Would you see a difference? Depends on the game. Probably, but not much:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/71760-intel-skylake-i5-6500-i5-6400-i3-6100-review-10.html

In this example, GTA V, 1080p, max settings w/ 2x MSAA, going from an i5-6500 to an i7-6700K will net you around 5 FPS increase.

 

The other thing you could do is replace your monitor with a G-Sync one. A very expensive option though, but perhaps better than getting a new CPU?

[Rhys19762]

1 hour ago, dalekphalm said:

So anyone that said you don't need to remove the old driver was wrong. Sure, most of the time, it probably won't cause an issue, but it could also definitely cause stuttering.

 

I would fully uninstall the drivers. Use Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) to do this:

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

 

Then reinstall the newest NVIDIA driver from their website.

 

If that makes no difference, I would start tweaking your settings. To get buttery smooth gameplay, you want your minimum FPS to be 60, and your max to be 60+. If possible, cap your FPS at 60 too, so it pretty much always sits there (Not all games support this natively).

 

If you wanted to upgrade your CPU, I would pretty much look at the i7-6700K and nothing else. An i5-6600K will not be much of an improvement, yet you have a Z-series motherboard, so getting the K series i7 allows you to overclock. You can often push them to 4.5GHz or faster (Not guaranteed though). Would you see a difference? Depends on the game. Probably, but not much:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/71760-intel-skylake-i5-6500-i5-6400-i3-6100-review-10.html

In this example, GTA V, 1080p, max settings w/ 2x MSAA, going from an i5-6500 to an i7-6700K will net you around 5 FPS increase.

 

The other thing you could do is replace your monitor with a G-Sync one. A very expensive option though, but perhaps better than getting a new CPU?

Ok great, I have a phew different things to try there, thank you so much for you're help as I have been a bit lost at times with this. I really appreciate you're genuine kindness to help me out.