M.2 SSD faster boot?

[HeavyFtw]

will a M.2 drive make my OS boot faster than a normal ssd

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Just now, HeavyFtw said:

will a M.2 drive make my OS boot faster than a normal ssd

Anything down to 8 seconds for a boot. That's the fastest I've seen at least... (As long as your sister doesn't decide to download her favourite game onto your boot drive, and take up all the spare space..)

[HeavyFtw]

1 minute ago, slightlyjaded said:

Anything down to 8 seconds for a boot. That's the fastest I've seen at least... (As long as your sister doesn't decide to download her favourite game onto your boot drive, and take up all the spare space..)

mhmm alright any suggestions on which one i should get has to be compatible to Asus Z170 a

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Just now, HeavyFtw said:

mhmm alright any suggestions on which one i should get has to be compatible to Asus Z170 a

I haven't really been following them lately. I use a samsung xp941, The one after (sm951) was supposed to be even faster. Both of these had very stiff compatibility requirements however, and required (at the time) a very rare compatible motherboard. The evo series is far more likely to be compatible.

 

I've no personal knowledge of the other brands products in this standard. I'm sure someone will chime in soon however.

 

The big issue with these drives is compatibility. next gen form factor is sort of new (last three to four years now) And there's a couple of different standard electrically (M.2, and MSata) Make sure the drive you're purchasing is compatible with the motherboard you're using, also be aware that a M.2 drive will be using PCIe lanes, usually the Gen2 lanes your chipset provides, but some of the latest M.2 drives are sure to be using Gen3.

[Mira Yurizaki]

11 minutes ago, HeavyFtw said:

will a M.2 drive make my OS boot faster than a normal ssd

Just to clear up. M.2 is a formfactor. The term you're looking for is NVMe.

 

In my experience, no. NVMe SSDs do not appreciably improve loading performance. You get like maybe 1 or 2 seconds shaved off when loading Windows.

[HeavyFtw]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Just to clear up. M.2 is a formfactor. The term you're looking for is NVMe.

 

In my experience, no. NVMe SSDs do not appreciably improve loading performance. You get like maybe 1 or 2 seconds shaved off when loading Windows.

faster the better

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4 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Just to clear up. M.2 is a formfactor. The term you're looking for is NVMe.

 

In my experience, no. NVMe SSDs do not appreciably improve loading performance. You get like maybe 1 or 2 seconds shaved off when loading Windows.

Just to clear up. M.2 is a standard. NGFF (next gen form factor) is a form factor.

NVMe is also a standard, but not for drives. NVMe is a new way of storing Data that does away with a lot of the ways AHCI (The older storage standard) slowed down data to deal with the at the time platter style hard drives.

[Mira Yurizaki]

42 minutes ago, slightlyjaded said:

Just to clear up. M.2 is a standard. NGFF (next gen form factor) is a form factor.

NGFF was the working name before it was christened M.2

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Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

NGFF was the working name before it was christened M.2

A MSata drive is a NGFF device, it is not a M.2 drive, and the two standards are not compatible.

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, slightlyjaded said:

A MSata drive is a NGFF device, it is not a M.2 drive, and the two standards are not compatible.

Then go edit this Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2

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M.2 (pronounced M dot two), formerly known as the Next Generation Form Factor (NGFF)

 

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Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

Then go edit this Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2

 

Why? I cannot control what the bulk of humanity knows to be true. All I can say is try plugging a M.2 drive into an MSata slot and see where it gets you.

M.2 was developed upon the basis of MSata. They both can use the chipset's Gen2 lanes for faster throughput, M.2 howerver can also use the faster throughput of Gen3 PCIe

 

NVMe is not a physical standard. It was designed to take advantage of these quicker storage rates, and data throughput, removing the bottleneck that was AHCI

 

The only physical standard associated with NVMe was U.2 because the first implementation was the intel 750 drives that if not linked directly used a pulgin for the M.2 drive (called U.2, or mini SAS) to allow the data throughput required to take advantage of the new standard.

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10 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Then go edit this Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2

 

One thing I will grant you is they rewrote the history books. M.2 does now refer to both the physical, and electrical standard.

[Mira Yurizaki]

8 minutes ago, slightlyjaded said:

Why? I cannot control what the bulk of humanity knows to be true. All I can say is try plugging a M.2 drive into an MSata slot and see where it gets you.

M.2 was developed upon the basis of MSata. They both can use the chipset's Gen2 lanes for faster throughput, M.2 howerver can also use the faster throughput of Gen3 PCIe

 

NVMe is not a physical standard. It was designed to take advantage of these quicker storage rates, and data throughput, removing the bottleneck that was AHCI

 

The only physical standard associated with NVMe was U.2 because the first implementation was the intel 750 drives that if not linked directly used a pulgin for the M.2 drive (called U.2, or mini SAS) to allow the data throughput required to take advantage of the new standard.

An M.2 drive cannot physically fit in an mSATA slot to start.

 

mSATA's connector is based on Mini-PCIe's physical connector. However, it is not electrically compatible with PCIe nor does it use the PCIe interface in anyway, at least directly: https://web.archive.org/web/20110112092850/http://download.intel.com/design/flash/nand/324042.pdf

 

I didn't say NVMe is a physical layout. I was under the assumption OP asking if an NVMe SSD is faster than a SATA based SSD. M.2 supports both NVMe based drives and SATA drives. Saying an "M.2 drive" is like saying a 3.5" drive during the transition period of IDE to SATA.

 

Anyway, this thread's been polluted, so this is the last I'll bother with this.

[Mira Yurizaki]

5 minutes ago, slightlyjaded said:

One thing I will grant you is they rewrote the history books. M.2 does now refer to both the physical, and electrical standard.

Also really?

 

Are you part the committee that worked on it? If not, lolwot.

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Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

An M.2 drive cannot physically fit in an mSATA slot to start.

 

Actually they can. Early M.2 drives actually had their keying (those notches) listed in their spec sheet.

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Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

Also really?

 

Are you part the committee that worked on it? If not, lolwot.

No, but I suspect neither was the dumbass who edited that wiki article. Wiki is community edited, and as such the first time you quote it in a university assignment, article, or dissertation you get laughed out of the building, and for good reason.

 

But you're right, this is off topic, and I'm never going to change your opinion, and you're not going to change mine. have fun.

[Bradl79]

2 hours ago, HeavyFtw said:

mhmm alright any suggestions on which one i should get has to be compatible to Asus Z170 a

Samsung 960 EVO, i have the Z170-a and it boots very fast