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[bostitch]

I've been looking at a budget $500 (before case, PS) option for an intel (rather than AMD-FX which i was originally considering).  I currently only have a laptop and want a desktop at home with a bigger (single) monitor.  I'm looking at running window 10 (not sure about home vs pro).  I'll also need keyboard/mouse (recommendations?) it will be my personal PC for day to day use but i'm also planning on running a few (4 to 6) VM's of different environments for some tech support/dev work as well as a linux vm to learn that OS.  I'll also do some gaming but that is least of my priorities, just a nice to have.  I want to setup a mail server (maybe) and do some other things like that.  i've gone with the i3 because of budget and also 16 fb RAM rather than 32 (but have used 8gb chips in case i find 16gb isn't enough and need to go to 32). Ive also gone with a mobo that has RAID support with mult SATA 6gb in case i want to expand my storage solution.  Also wanted M.2 for possible SSD expansion.  I've assumed i don't need a GPU because of the i3 chip i'm using.  Here is the build i've come up with, would love your input.  Really trying to save money on this.  i'm in the USA if that helps.  Would also love case, Power Supply recommendations.

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3M 3.7 GHz LGA 1151 BX80662I36100 Desktop Processor $109.99 https://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=2MN-0004-00002

 

Motherboard: ASRock H170 Pro4 LGA 1151 Intel H170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $99.99 https://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E16813157639

 

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2133 (PC4 17000) Memory Kit Mode $94.99 https://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E16820231828

 

HDD: Seagate Desktop HDD ST4000DM000 4TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5 $119.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178338

[Aereldor]

• Please, please, please use PCPartPicker.com
• Good luck running even two VMs on an i3, let alone four to six at once.
• I don't think iGPUs support virtualization. You'll need to run the second VM off another GPU, the third of yet another, and so on.
• RAID for a mail server? Not even Hillary Clinton will benefit from that.
• Four terabytes?!

[Inception9269]

4 to 6 virtual machines... chooses an i3 cpu.

 

u wot m8?

[bostitch]

3 hours ago, Aereldor said:

• Please, please, please use PCPartPicker.com
• Good luck running even two VMs on an i3, let alone four to six at once.
• I don't think iGPUs support virtualization. You'll need to run the second VM off another GPU, the third of yet another, and so on.
• RAID for a mail server? Not even Hillary Clinton will benefit from that.
• Four terabytes?!

I'm really trying to stick to budget on this but could go less HHD for more CPU I guess.  What do you think about the i5-6500 3.2GH for this build?

[Aereldor]

5 minutes ago, bostitch said:

I'm really trying to stick to budget on this but could go less HHD for more CPU I guess.  What do you think about the i5-6500 3.2GH for this build?

Do you really want to run a bunch of VMs off this at once? You'll need a lot more than that. Linus had to use two 28-core CPUs to get seven VMs playing Crysis. In fact, you'd be hard-pressed running 6 VMs with a 5820k, as that would give you a core and two threads for each VM. 

[bostitch]

31 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

Do you really want to run a bunch of VMs off this at once? You'll need a lot more than that. Linus had to use two 28-core CPUs to get seven VMs playing Crysis. In fact, you'd be hard-pressed running 6 VMs with a 5820k, as that would give you a core and two threads for each VM. 

Im not planning on using the VM's in parallel necessarily maybe sometimes (maybe 2 or 3 max) and it won't be for gaming just different environments for some tech support work and dev work.  

 

Here is a pcpartpicker build I'm playing around with:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MWtXVY

 

[Aereldor]

1 minute ago, bostitch said:

Im not planning on using the VM's in parallel necessarily maybe sometimes (maybe 2 or 3 max) and it won't be for gaming just different environments for some tech support work and dev work.  

 

Here is a pcpartpicker build I'm playing around with:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MWtXVY

 

You can't run more than two VMs with an i3, and you won't be able to do very much at all with those. 2 VMs on a Core i3 6100 will probably perform worse than two individual machines with Celeron G3900s. You'll only get one core and two threads per machine. I think you might be able to go up to 4 VMs with a Core i5 CPU, but performance will be even worse, as you'll only get one core for each VM.

 

... Wait. Do you mean you plan on having a few other operating systems running in dual-boot or emulations? Yeah, a Core i3 6100 should be fine for that. 'Virtual Machines' and 'Virtualization' tend to be interpreted as running two separate instances of an OS (or two different OSes) off the same computer; sort of like Linus does with his X gamers 1 CPU videos (2, 7, and 8?).

[bostitch]

4 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

You can't run more than two VMs with an i3, and you won't be able to do very much at all with those. 2 VMs on a Core i3 6100 will probably perform worse than two individual machines with Celeron G3900s. You'll only get one core and two threads per machine. I think you might be able to go up to 4 VMs with a Core i5 CPU, but performance will be even worse, as you'll only get one core for each VM.

 

... Wait. Do you mean you plan on having a few other operating systems running in dual-boot or emulations? Yeah, a Core i3 6100 should be fine for that. 'Virtual Machines' and 'Virtualization' tend to be interpreted as running two separate instances of an OS (or two different OSes) off the same computer; sort of like Linus does with his X gamers 1 CPU videos (2, 7, and 8?).

Yeah maybe I'm getting my terminology wrong, I'm not planning on a dual boot, maybe emulations?  I thought it would be best to use something like VirtualBox to configure a Linux enviro to play around with and also maybe some older versions of Windows for tech support.  

[bostitch]

1 minute ago, bostitch said:

Yeah maybe I'm getting my terminology wrong, I'm not planning on a dual boot, maybe emulations?  I thought it would be best to use something like VirtualBox to configure a Linux enviro to play around with and also maybe some older versions of Windows for tech support.  

How can you tell how many cores/threads go to a VM based upon the Different CPU's?

[bostitch]

9 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

You can't run more than two VMs with an i3, and you won't be able to do very much at all with those. 2 VMs on a Core i3 6100 will probably perform worse than two individual machines with Celeron G3900s. You'll only get one core and two threads per machine. I think you might be able to go up to 4 VMs with a Core i5 CPU, but performance will be even worse, as you'll only get one core for each VM.

 

... Wait. Do you mean you plan on having a few other operating systems running in dual-boot or emulations? Yeah, a Core i3 6100 should be fine for that. 'Virtual Machines' and 'Virtualization' tend to be interpreted as running two separate instances of an OS (or two different OSes) off the same computer; sort of like Linus does with his X gamers 1 CPU videos (2, 7, and 8?).

How can you tell how many cores/threads go to a VM based upon the Different CPU's?

[bostitch]

1 hour ago, bostitch said:

Yeah maybe I'm getting my terminology wrong, I'm not planning on a dual boot, maybe emulations?  I thought it would be best to use something like VirtualBox to configure a Linux enviro to play around with and also maybe some older versions of Windows for tech support.  

So if more cores is what I need what about the AMD FX-8350?