8350 Temps

[DanTbh]

Hi,

 

I have recently moved over to a new case, Rajintek Styx Micro Atx.

 

Since moving over and changing motherboard my temps are now going from 18,25,37,44 on idle (wont sit still)

 

When gaming ie, bf1 the temps are reaching 60 degrees and 80 degress on my GPU (RX 480)

 

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The temps in my old case were around 44 on full load, but I have always had a problem with FPS drops aswell.

 

An example.. BF1 will be stuck at 60FPS solid and then suddenly drop to 14FPS for around 15 seconds and then back up.

 

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Do you think the chip is to hot and causing throttling or do you recon it's time for me to replace it as it may be faulty?
 

Thanks!

[Morgan MLGman]

It might be the motherboard VRM section throttling, if you moved to a micro atx case, it means you've got a mATX motherboard, and there are no AM3+ mATX mobos that are good for the FX-8350.

[DanTbh]

That's a bummer! I do have a spare 6350 around, should I try this and see how things are?

 

+1 I am using a micro atx board now.

[JefferyD90]

16 minutes ago, DanTbh said:

Hi,

 

I have recently moved over to a new case, Rajintek Styx Micro Atx.

 

Since moving over and changing motherboard my temps are now going from 18,25,37,44 on idle (wont sit still)

 

When gaming ie, bf1 the temps are reaching 60 degrees and 80 degress on my GPU (RX 480)

 

---

 

The temps in my old case were around 44 on full load, but I have always had a problem with FPS drops aswell.

 

An example.. BF1 will be stuck at 60FPS solid and then suddenly drop to 14FPS for around 15 seconds and then back up.

 

--

 

Do you think the chip is to hot and causing throttling or do you recon it's time for me to replace it as it may be faulty?
 

Thanks!

The CPU fan/heatsing isn't doing very well.  You should reseat it.

[DanTbh]

2 minutes ago, JefferyD90 said:

The CPU fan/heatsing isn't doing very well.  You should reseat it.

I have tried both the Coolermaster Seidon 120V and a Rajintek Ere Boss. Both achieve the same temps.

 

Both been re-seated and thermal paste reapplied with no luck. 

[JefferyD90]

Just now, DanTbh said:

I have tried both the Coolermaster Seidon 120V and a Rajintek Ere Boss. Both achieve the same temps.

 

Both been re-seated and thermal paste reapplied with no luck. 

Power delivery then... somethings not right here. The temps are peeking though.  63c is where the chip starts to throttle hard.   its either 67 or 69 is the turn off point.

[DanTbh]

Just now, JefferyD90 said:

Power delivery then... somethings not right here. The temps are peeking though.  63c is where the chip starts to throttle hard.   its either 67 or 69 is the turn off point.

Very strange isn't it, change to a 6350 and see if any difference? (I have two 6350's spare)

[JefferyD90]

Just now, DanTbh said:

Very strange isn't it, change to a 6350 and see if any difference? (I have two 6350's spare)

I mean... the chance of a bad CPU is virtually 0.  If you notice a difference between the 8350 and the 6350, I'm going to put my bet on the PSU.

 

Did you plug the 8pin CPU power in?

[DanTbh]

Just now, JefferyD90 said:

I mean... the chance of a bad CPU is virtually 0.  If you notice a difference between the 8350 and the 6350, I'm going to put my bet on the PSU.

 

Did you plug the 8pin CPU power in?

The board only has a 4PIN CPU Power input. It does state the board can take the 8350 on the website. Would the PSU cause such Temp issues? 

[JefferyD90]

Just now, DanTbh said:

The board only has a 4PIN CPU Power input. It does state the board can take the 8350 on the website. Would the PSU cause such Temp issues? 

Yes it would.  When your CPU doesn't get enough power, yet its still working as hard, it will exert that in the form of heat.

[DanTbh]

1 minute ago, JefferyD90 said:

Yes it would.  When your CPU doesn't get enough power, yet its still working as hard, it will exert that in the form of heat.

Very interesting, lucky I have alot of spare parts! I'll find grab another PSU and give it a shot. 

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, JefferyD90 said:

Yes it would.  When your CPU doesn't get enough power, yet its still working as hard, it will exert that in the form of heat.

I already told OP what is the issue, what is the point of all this?

 

VRM's are getting too hot due to the 8350 being too power-hungry for the crappy mATX motherboard, this is the reason the CPU throttles. Might damage the board eventually. This is the reason why reseating/changing the cooler does not do anything.

 

4 minutes ago, DanTbh said:

Very strange isn't it, change to a 6350 and see if any difference? (I have two 6350's spare)

Yes, it might help cause it's got two modules less than an 8350, try to not overclock the CPU and run it at stock speeds. What is your motherboard exact model?

[DanTbh]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

I already told OP what is the issue, what is the point of all this?

 

VRM's are getting too hot due to the 8350 being too power-hungry for the crappy mATX motherboard, this is the reason the CPU throttles. Might damage the board eventually. This is the reason why reseating/changing the cooler does not do anything.

 

Yes, it might help cause it's got two modules less than an 8350, try to not overclock the CPU and run it at stock speeds. What is your motherboard exact model?

If it helps then I will just run the 6350 and upgrade to an i5 in the new year.

 

Motherboard is: 

ASUS M5A78L-M 

[JefferyD90]

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

I already told OP what is the issue, what is the point of all this?

 

VRM's are getting too hot due to the 8350 being too power-hungry for the crappy mATX motherboard, this is the reason the CPU throttles. Might damage the board eventually. This is the reason why reseating/changing the cooler does not do anything.

 

Yes, it might help cause it's got two modules less than an 8350, try to not overclock the CPU and run it at stock speeds. What is your motherboard exact model?

He didn't say what motherboard he has...  So you don't know any of this.

[DanTbh]

Just to throw something in here, would it be worth trying to lock the motherboard CPU voltage?

 

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, JefferyD90 said:

He didn't say what motherboard he has...  So you don't know any of this.

Actually, yes I do. There is no mATX AM3+ board that's capable of running FX-8350 at its full Turbo speed. I judged that by actually reading OP's post about him transferring his system to a mATX case.

 

3 minutes ago, DanTbh said:

If it helps then I will just run the 6350 and upgrade to an i5 in the new year.

 

Motherboard is: 

ASUS M5A78L-M 

It's all clear now, this is your board with its VRMs marked:

And this is how it should look like (this is the board that I personally had with my old FX-8350):

See the difference? Many more chokes in the VRM section (More power phases) and a beefy radiator to cool them down. This is the thing with the FX CPU line, they need appropriate motherboards.

 

You can try to put some custom heatsings on your VRM chokes and run the CPU at stock without the Turbo mode and/or downvolt + downclock the CPU. There's also an option of disabling modules ("cores") and making it essentially an FX-6350

 

[JefferyD90]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Actually, yes I do. There is no mATX AM3+ board that's capable of running FX-8350 at its full Turbo speed. I judged that by actually reading OP's post about him transferring his system to a mATX case.

 

It's all clear now, this is your board with its VRMs marked:

And this is how it should look like (this is the board that I personally had with my old FX-8350):

See the difference? Many more chokes in the VRM section (More power phases) and a beefy radiator to cool them down. This is the thing with the FX CPU line, they need appropriate motherboards.

 

You can try to put some custom heatsings on your VRM chokes and run the CPU at stock without the Turbo mode and/or downvolt + downclock the CPU. There's also an option of disabling modules ("cores") and making it essentially an FX-6350

 

Its a 5+1 phase design... with a good PSU and not overloading the other components on the board...  It will run the 8350 just fine at stock speeds.  Now, if the VRMs are damaged or not getting enough cooling, then yes it will choke up a bit.  But your case SHOULD have at least one exhaust fan in it, which is more than enough.

[DanTbh]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Actually, yes I do. There is no mATX AM3+ board that's capable of running FX-8350 at its full Turbo speed. I judged that by actually reading OP's post about him transferring his system to a mATX case.

 

It's all clear now, this is your board with its VRMs marked:

And this is how it should look like (this is the board that I personally had with my old FX-8350):

See the difference? Many more chokes in the VRM section (More power phases) and a beefy radiator to cool them down. This is the thing with the FX CPU line, they need appropriate motherboards.

 

You can try to put some custom heatsings on your VRM chokes and run the CPU at stock without the Turbo mode and/or downvolt + downclock the CPU. There's also an option of disabling modules ("cores") and making it essentially an FX-6350

 

Wow you know your stuff! I can totally see where your coming from. Would this cause the actual CPU temps to rocket though?

 

In regards to downclock and downvolt, would you suggest I just swap the processor out for a spare 6350 for now?

 

Didn't know you could do this much.. haha. Thanks so far. 

[Morgan MLGman]

2 minutes ago, JefferyD90 said:

Its a 5+1 phase design... with a good PSU and not overloading the other components on the board...  It will run the 8350 just fine at stock speeds.  Now, if the VRMs are damaged or not getting enough cooling, then yes it will choke up a bit.  But your case SHOULD have at least one exhaust fan in it, which is more than enough.

It's a 4+1 phase design IIRC. A bad PSU can cause instability due to voltage it supplies not being stable, but that'd result in a bluescreen/pc freeze etc, the issues OP has (dropping FPS for a few seconds when gaming) is a classic issue of VRM throttling, which is very common among FX users that did not know what motherboard is appropriate for their CPU. I had an FX-8350 platform back in the day, but I did my homework before purchasing. Assuming that his board is mATX, you can freely assume that it's the VRMs, considering that there's very few mATX AM3+ boards, and all of those are pretty much crap.

 

4 minutes ago, DanTbh said:

Wow you know your stuff! I can totally see where your coming from. Would this cause the actual CPU temps to rocket though?

 

In regards to downclock and downvolt, would you suggest I just swap the processor out for a spare 6350 for now?

 

Didn't know you could do this much.. haha. Thanks so far. 

Yes, this should help. If it still throttles after you swap the 6350 in, I'd advise you to buy cheap VRM heatsinks on ebay and put them on the power delivery on the motherboard. Should help a lot. If you google your motherboard's name, there are a few hits about buying VRM heatsinks for it cause it makes the CPUs throttle.

[Starelementpoke]

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

It's a 4+1 phase design IIRC. A bad PSU can cause instability due to voltage it supplies not being stable, but that'd result in a bluescreen/pc freeze etc, the issues OP has (dropping FPS for a few seconds when gaming) is a classic issue of VRM throttling, which is very common among FX users that did not know what motherboard is appropriate for their CPU. I had an FX-8350 platform back in the day, but I did my homework before purchasing. Assuming that his board is mATX, you can freely assume that it's the VRMs, considering that there's very few mATX AM3+ boards, and all of those are pretty much crap.

 

Yes, this should help. If it still throttles after you swap the 6350 in, I'd advise you to buy cheap VRM heatsinks on ebay and put them on the power delivery on the motherboard. Should help a lot. If you google your motherboard's name, there are a few hits about buying VRM heatsinks for it cause it makes the CPUs throttle.

Oh yeah, just realized you had switched off your old 8350. What'd you do with it anyway?

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, Starelementpoke said:

Oh yeah, just realized you had switched off your old 8350. What'd you do with it anyway?

Sold almost entire rig and bought a brand-new one

 

Here's a build-log I posted recently, gonna update it today in a few hours cause my Corsair H100i V2 just came in mail! :

 

[Starelementpoke]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

Sold almost entire rig and bought a brand-new one

 

Here's a build-log I posted recently, gonna update it today in a few hours cause my Corsair H100i V2 just came in mail! :

 

Nice. And damn, would've looked into buying it off of you if you still had it.

[Morgan MLGman]

3 minutes ago, Starelementpoke said:

Nice. And damn, would've looked into buying it off of you if you still had it.

Damn, if I only knew... It overclocked so great, 1,36V at 4,5GHz rock-solid stable, had it like this for over a year, temps almost never exceeded 50 degrees Celsius...

[Starelementpoke]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

Damn, if I only knew... It overclocked so great, 1,36V at 4,5GHz rock-solid stable, had it like this for over a year, temps almost never exceeded 50 degrees Celsius...

Nice, I just need to build my sister a computer to get off mine TBH.