Thinkpad Master Race

[gtx1060=value]

They said not to start flame wars between apple and windows and amd - intel or amd nvidia

this is thinkpad vs macs for professionals

 

Which one do you think is the best for the price point and please give a thorough explanation

 

Edit - based on performance for price - you can factor in things like screen, build quality etc. 

just want some pros and cons for each

[Belgarathian]

2 minutes ago, gtx1060=value said:

They said not to start flame wars between apple and windows and amd - intel or amd nvidia

this is thinkpad vs macs for professionals

 

Which one do you think is the best for the price point and please give a thorough explanation

That depends on what you're up to, and what you value in your computer. 

 

For anyone in design & arts, I'd be looking at Apple. For everyone else, Thinkpad. 

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I am more of a desktop guy

[gtx1060=value]

1 minute ago, Belgarathian said:

That depends on what you're up to, and what you value in your computer. 

how did you get a 4790k to 5ghz? what voltage and multiplier?

[Belgarathian]

7 minutes ago, gtx1060=value said:

how did you get a 4790k to 5ghz? what voltage and multiplier?

 

1.35v, 50. Fine for gaming, rendering, general use (~65-75 degrees). Thermal throttles using Prime95 on small FFT. 

 

Sorry it's not a screen cap - taken on Snapchat for a friend. Currently at work. 

[ARikozuM]

7 minutes ago, Belgarathian said:

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Doesn't the 4790K BSOD after 4.9Ghz? How the hell did you get yours there?

[Pendragon]

19 minutes ago, gtx1060=value said:

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Professionals don't really have a "price point". 

Thinkpads for everything

Macs for Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Photography, or Graphic Design. 

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Pendragon said:

Macs for Photography, or Graphic Design. 

I wouldn't use anything other than a pointing stick if accuracy is required on a laptop.

[Pendragon]

13 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

I wouldn't use anything other than a pointing stick if accuracy is required on a laptop.

Have you used the Mac Trackpad? It's actually good. I swear I'm a pointing stick noob. I have no idea how people are so accurate with them. 

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Pendragon said:

Have you used the Mac Trackpad? It's actually good. I swear I'm a pointing stick noob. I have no idea how people are so accurate with them. 

I can't stand trackpads since you have to take your hand off the keyboard to use it. The pointing stick can be used by right index and left thumb for click.

[Belgarathian]

2 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Doesn't the 4790K BSOD after 4.9Ghz? How the hell did you get yours there?

I'm pretty sure I just got lucky with the silicon. I bought mine about 6 months before sky lake was released so they may have refined the production process?

[ARikozuM]

4 minutes ago, Belgarathian said:

I'm pretty sure I just got lucky with the silicone.

I didn't know you could get CPU's at a plastic surgeon's office... Informative.

[Dackzy]

3 hours ago, Pendragon said:

Professionals don't really have a "price point". 

Thinkpads for everything

Macs for Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Photography, or Graphic Design. 

I would not say photography and graphic design, since apple doesn't have their own program for that. Movie and music, is pretty much the only thing I would use a macbook for.

Everything else is ThinkPad

[Belgarathian]

1 hour ago, Dackzy said:

I would not say photography and graphic design, since apple doesn't have their own program for that. Movie and music, is pretty much the only thing I would use a macbook for.

Everything else is ThinkPad

The screen on the MBP is far better than anything you'll find on the ThinkPad lineup. If you're using an external monitor 100% of the time, then it won't matter though. 

[Dackzy]

3 minutes ago, Belgarathian said:

The screen on the MBP is far better than anything you'll find on the ThinkPad lineup. If you're using an external monitor 100% of the time, then it won't matter though. 

You do know that you can get QHD IPS screens on some thinkpads right? Also The MBP  screen isn't that good, when we talk color accuracy, I think they are around the 70% in sRGB. A ThinkPad W541 with the 3k screen has 90% sRBG, but no pro would ever use the screen on a macbook or a thinkpad, because they are shit compared to what they really need.

Have you seen the screens that they use for editing movies? They can cost 10k USD with no problem and are true 10bit.

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RAZER FOR LIFE.

 

You all just don't know quality and performance.

 

Can't wait for them to add gsync support to the trackpad when they bring back the screen.

[Belgarathian]

11 hours ago, Dackzy said:

You do know that you can get QHD IPS screens on some thinkpads right? Also The MBP  screen isn't that good, when we talk color accuracy, I think they are around the 70% in sRGB. A ThinkPad W541 with the 3k screen has 90% sRBG, but no pro would ever use the screen on a macbook or a thinkpad, because they are shit compared to what they really need.

Have you seen the screens that they use for editing movies? They can cost 10k USD with no problem and are true 10bit.

Buddy... I wasn't talking about resolution. The new Macbook Pro supports the DCI-P3 colour space, which means that it is 125% sRGB. 

 

You also wouldn't edit video, particularly video for movies so your point is moot (i'm struggling to see Finding Dory being rendered on a 13" MBP) - but you're right, if you were in the creative space and desk bound you'd probably be using another screen. 10bit support wouldn't matter in this case though as I'm pretty sure macOS only supports 8bit anyway, not that this really matters unless you're editing a lot in gray scale. 

 

-edit- since El Capitan it supports 10bit space-

[Dackzy]

1 minute ago, Belgarathian said:

Buddy... I wasn't talking about resolution. The new Macbook Pro supports the DCI-P3 colour space, which means that it is 125% sRGB. 

 

You also wouldn't edit video, particularly video for movies so your point is moot (i'm struggling to see Finding Dory being rendered on a 13" MBP) - but you're right, if you were in the creative space and desk bound you'd probably be using another screen. 10bit support wouldn't matter in this case though as I'm pretty sure macOS only supports 8bit anyway, not that this really matters unless you're editing a lot in gray scale. 

well people often talk res when they talk MBP screen. hmm did not see that they got DCI-P3, that is neat,  but not going to matter for people who makes movies and such.

 

Well I have seen a few pro people use a MBP 15 for short "movies" and such. I don't even think the new macbooks has a use case for real pro people, ofc you can argue that a youtuber is a pro, but I am talking about big companies and such.

 

 El Capitan and newer should have 10bit support and yes 10bit matters a lot for people who makes movies and such. The only pro people I have seen using a Macbook was so they could code for it or they just like the OS more.

[Belgarathian]

40 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

well people often talk res when they talk MBP screen. hmm did not see that they got DCI-P3, that is neat,  but not going to matter for people who makes movies and such.

 

Well I have seen a few pro people use a MBP 15 for short "movies" and such. I don't even think the new macbooks has a use case for real pro people, ofc you can argue that a youtuber is a pro, but I am talking about big companies and such.

 

 El Capitan and newer should have 10bit support and yes 10bit matters a lot for people who makes movies and such. The only pro people I have seen using a Macbook was so they could code for it or they just like the OS more.

macOS strangely has advantages for coders due to its native Linux environment... hadn't thought of that.

 

when I was talking about digital content creation, I was talking about graphic designers and photographers rather than video editors as they'd end up with a Mac Pro or something similar. A laptop just isn't going to cut it for those power users, be it a MacBook or ThinkPad.

[Dackzy]

5 minutes ago, Belgarathian said:

macOS strangely has advantages for coders due to its native Linux environment... hadn't thought of that.

 

when I was talking about digital content creation, I was talking about graphic designers and photographers rather than video editors as they'd end up with a Mac Pro or something similar. A laptop just isn't going to cut it for those power users, be it a MacBook or ThinkPad.

Graphic designers would also like 10bit, since it gives them better darks, so it becomes closer to real life.

A laptop would work fine for people who do commercials and short movies, I have seen plenty of those people with a ThinkPad or a older MacBook Pro 15.

 

I don't really see a reason for a photographer to get a the new macbook pro, since they lack SD card slot, they often want bigger screens and no Apple made photo program. I Think it just comes down to prefference if they go with a MacBook over a windows.

[Belgarathian]

7 hours ago, Dackzy said:

Graphic designers would also like 10bit, since it gives them better darks, so it becomes closer to real life.

A laptop would work fine for people who do commercials and short movies, I have seen plenty of those people with a ThinkPad or a older MacBook Pro 15.

 

I don't really see a reason for a photographer to get a the new macbook pro, since they lack SD card slot, they often want bigger screens and no Apple made photo program. I Think it just comes down to prefference if they go with a MacBook over a windows.

SD card slot on the MBP has never hurt me, most of the stuff I shoot is CF, not SD anyway and no laptop that I've seen has a CF slot. 

 

I wouldn't get the new MBP based on the fact it has 4x USB-C ports, so nothing that I have would work without adapters... Once the Type-C ecosystem matures, I'd consider it. 

 

10bit doesn't give better blacks... But it does give you more colours to work with, so you won't have stepping etc on your gray scale. You would have approx ~950,000,000 more colours to work with (256x256x256 vs 1024x1024x1024 in the RGB colour space)

 

To be clear, 10bit is preferable any day of the week over 8bit but not always necessary. The new panels on the MBP are 10bit... Just FYI.

[Pendragon]

2 hours ago, Belgarathian said:

To be clear, 10bit is preferable any day of the week over 8bit but not always necessary. The new panels on the MBP are 10bit... Just FYI.

Ohhhh interesting. These new panels seem dope. Yea but the shitty keyboard and 4 USB-C annoys me. The price too. The touch bar seems gimmicky as hell. Give me physical buttons and remappable keyboard anyday. I can just map shortcuts to physical keys instead of relying on the touch bar