i could use some help

[Erwin Kooiman]

hey guys,

 

i am pretty new to the pc building world so i would like to ask for some advice.

 

i am planning to do a budget build, i already have a gtx 960 which is good enough for me (as i mostly play games like overwatch etc.)

and a 450w 80 plus bronze power supply.

and my budget is around €500-€600.

 

i am totally clueless on what motherboard, cpu, etc. to choose.

i hope there is someone who wants to take the time to help me out a bit. 

 

btw sorry for the english ^^

 

[Stardar1]

3 minutes ago, Erwin Kooiman said:

hey guys,

 

i am pretty new to the pc building world so i would like to ask for some advice.

 

i am planning to do a budget build, i already have a gtx 960 which is good enough for me (as i mostly play games like overwatch etc.)

and a 450w 80 plus bronze power supply.

and my budget is around €500-€600.

 

i am totally clueless on what motherboard, cpu, etc. to choose.

i hope there is someone who wants to take the time to help me out a bit. 

 

btw sorry for the english ^^

 

What country do you live in? prices will vary by country

[Electronics Wizardy]

Id get a i5 6500 and a b150 board andd 16-32gb ddr4

[Stardar1]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

32gb ddr4

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, Stardar1 said:

 

not much more and will speed every thing up.

[Stardar1]

1 minute ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

not much more and will speed every thing up.

[Stardar1]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

not much more and will speed every thing up.

More than 16GB RAM for a game like overwatch is like buying a 2TB Hard drive to store 300GB of data, for twice the price of a 1TB. 

[toiletshower]

10 minutes ago, Erwin Kooiman said:

hey guys,

 

i am pretty new to the pc building world so i would like to ask for some advice.

 

i am planning to do a budget build, i already have a gtx 960 which is good enough for me (as i mostly play games like overwatch etc.)

and a 450w 80 plus bronze power supply.

and my budget is around €500-€600.

 

i am totally clueless on what motherboard, cpu, etc. to choose.

i hope there is someone who wants to take the time to help me out a bit. 

 

btw sorry for the english ^^

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/HdjtCy 568 euros

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 minutes ago, Stardar1 said:

More than 16GB RAM for a game like overwatch is like buying a 2TB Hard drive to store 300GB of data, for twice the price of a 1TB. 

except it uses the ram as a hdd cache, so it will speed up opening programs and writing files.

[Stardar1]

1 minute ago, Heuron said:

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/HdjtCy 568 euros

it may convert to that many euros, but the prices in different countries vary, a $200 CPU in the US might cost $300 (equivalent) in another country

[Stardar1]

1 minute ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

except it uses the ram as a hdd cache, so it will speed up opening programs and writing files.

but an SSD will be faster anyways, and that RAM only goes so far. It's a waste of money for this level of gaming. 

[Electronics Wizardy]

4 minutes ago, Stardar1 said:

More than 16GB RAM for a game like overwatch is like buying a 2TB Hard drive to store 300GB of data, for twice the price of a 1TB. 

also for the hdd, 2tb hdd are almost always faster than 1tb hdds

[Stardar1]

3 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

also for the hdd, 2tb hdd are almost always faster than 1tb hdds

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 minutes ago, Thread212 said:

wut??

 

2 minutes ago, Stardar1 said:

 

look it up. There almost always faster as they have more platters or more dense platters than read more data in a given rotation.

[Stardar1]

1 minute ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

 

look it up. There almost always faster as they have more platters or more dense platters than read more data in a given rotation.

More platters does not mean faster. It DOES mean a higher failure rate. 

 

You'd be better off with 2x1TBs in RAID 0, that WOULD be faster

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, Stardar1 said:

More platters does not mean faster.

Yes it does, it reads from all the platters at once, so basically raid 0

 

1 minute ago, Stardar1 said:

It DOES mean a higher failure rate. 

I have yet to see a correlation

2 minutes ago, Stardar1 said:

You'd be better off with 2x1TBs in RAID 0, that WOULD be faster

But much more heat, overhead, not always faster in random workloads.

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, Thread212 said:

That is not how its work...more platter and platter density doesnt always make the HDD faster.
it depends on the controller.
Even 500gb can outperform 1Tb.

Of the same type+brand, bigger is almost always faster, but a 146gb 15k will be faster than a normal 7k2 4tb hdd.

[Stardar1]

3 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Of the same type+brand, bigger is almost always faster, but a 146gb 15k will be faster than a normal 7k2 4tb hdd.

Prove it, show me the read/writes of 2 identical drives of different capacity, same cache, same brand, same speed. 

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, Stardar1 said:

Prove it, show me the read/writes of 2 identical drives of different capacity, same cache, same brand, same speed. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Thread212 said:

I dont think it does..
I am not expert at this.. i hope @Godlygamer23 can explain as detailed as possible.
i am more on Psu but i am not that good.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/hdd-charts-2013/-01-Read-Throughput-Average-h2benchw-3.16,Marque_fbrandx46,2901.html

 

Look there, and search for red, the bigger drives are faster.

[Stardar1]

1 minute ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

 

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/hdd-charts-2013/-01-Read-Throughput-Average-h2benchw-3.16,Marque_fbrandx46,2901.html

 

Look there, and search for red, the bigger drives are faster.

I said show me specs, not a forum. 

 

And the bigger WD reds have bigger cache

[Erwin Kooiman]

thanks for all the fast responses,

 

the part picker link that you send comes out to €707 in the netherlands, which is a bit to much because if still have to buy a monitor and such

 

what parts can i save some money on?

 

thanks

[Electronics Wizardy]

3 minutes ago, Stardar1 said:

I said show me specs, not a forum. 

 

And the bigger WD reds have bigger cache

http://www.seagate.com/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/desktop-hdd-8tbDS1770-9-1603US-en_US.pdf

 

Cache won't help with sequential read and write

[Stardar1]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

http://www.seagate.com/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/desktop-hdd-8tbDS1770-9-1603US-en_US.pdf

 

Cache won't help with sequential read and write

Yes it will

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, Stardar1 said:

Yes it will

How?

[Stardar1]

1 minute ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

How?

The exact same way that you claimed that adding RAM would make things faster.