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I'm in the process of spec'ing out a mid-range workstation for the use of developing and training ANNs. I've fairly certain I have every other component nailed down sans the CPU. Tentative specs are as follows:

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-6800K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG A80 128.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus X99-A II ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Storage: Samsung 950 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Founders Edition Video Card (2-Way SLI)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Founders Edition Video Card (2-Way SLI)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000G2 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX

 

For CPU's, I'm looking at the I7-6800K (as seen above), I7-6700K, or Xeon-E3 1275 V5. Each runs on a different chipset (X99, Z170, C236 respectively) so any choice seems awfully final as opposed to other components.

 

If anybody could offer me their opinions on the above options, or different CPUs, or any other suggestions on the build, I would be very grateful.

 

Cheers,

Jake

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Do ANNs benefit from more than 6 hyperthreaded cores? Consider an 8-core Xeon like the E5-2620 v4

We have a NEW and GLORIOUSER-ER-ER PSU Tier List Now. (dammit @LukeSavenije stop coming up with new ones)

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Mathresolvermajig: Intel Xeon E3 1240 (Sandy Bridge i7 equivalent)

Chillinmachine: Noctua NH-C14S
Framepainting-inator: EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 Hybrid

Attachcorethingy: Gigabyte H61M-S2V-B3

Infoholdstick: Corsair 2x4GB DDR3 1333

Computerarmor: Silverstone RL06 "Lookalike"

Rememberdoogle: 1TB HDD + 120GB TR150 + 240 SSD Plus + 1TB MX500

AdditionalPylons: Phanteks AMP! 550W (based on Seasonic GX-550)

Letterpad: Rosewill Apollo 9100 (Cherry MX Red)

Buttonrodent: Razer Viper Mini + Huion H430P drawing Tablet

Auralnterface: Sennheiser HD 6xx

Liquidrectangles: LG 27UK850-W 4K HDR

 

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Just now, syntheticc0gnition said:

I have not up until just now. Speaking of, is there anything I should wait for (I.E cpu chipsets)?

8-core / 16 Thread AMD Zen CPUs are likely to bring High-Performance CPU prices down, regardless of whether you go for one of those, or an equivalently priced Intel.

We have a NEW and GLORIOUSER-ER-ER PSU Tier List Now. (dammit @LukeSavenije stop coming up with new ones)

You can check out the old one that gave joy to so many across the land here

 

Computer having a hard time powering on? Troubleshoot it with this guide. (Currently looking for suggestions to update it into the context of <current year> and make it its own thread)

Computer Specs:

Spoiler

Mathresolvermajig: Intel Xeon E3 1240 (Sandy Bridge i7 equivalent)

Chillinmachine: Noctua NH-C14S
Framepainting-inator: EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 Hybrid

Attachcorethingy: Gigabyte H61M-S2V-B3

Infoholdstick: Corsair 2x4GB DDR3 1333

Computerarmor: Silverstone RL06 "Lookalike"

Rememberdoogle: 1TB HDD + 120GB TR150 + 240 SSD Plus + 1TB MX500

AdditionalPylons: Phanteks AMP! 550W (based on Seasonic GX-550)

Letterpad: Rosewill Apollo 9100 (Cherry MX Red)

Buttonrodent: Razer Viper Mini + Huion H430P drawing Tablet

Auralnterface: Sennheiser HD 6xx

Liquidrectangles: LG 27UK850-W 4K HDR

 

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4 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Do ANNs benefit from more than 6 hyperthreaded cores? Consider an 8-core Xeon like the E5-2620 v4

Depends on the algo, but most can/do. For the part, it's a very GPU intensive affair, specifically taking advantage of Cuda cores on Nvidia GPUs.

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6800k and 2 980tis instead. They are faster then 1080s at non gaming actives. More CUDA 

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3 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

6800k and 2 980tis instead. They are faster then 1080s at non gaming actives. More CUDA 

Not to mention OC like motherfuckers

We have a NEW and GLORIOUSER-ER-ER PSU Tier List Now. (dammit @LukeSavenije stop coming up with new ones)

You can check out the old one that gave joy to so many across the land here

 

Computer having a hard time powering on? Troubleshoot it with this guide. (Currently looking for suggestions to update it into the context of <current year> and make it its own thread)

Computer Specs:

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Mathresolvermajig: Intel Xeon E3 1240 (Sandy Bridge i7 equivalent)

Chillinmachine: Noctua NH-C14S
Framepainting-inator: EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 Hybrid

Attachcorethingy: Gigabyte H61M-S2V-B3

Infoholdstick: Corsair 2x4GB DDR3 1333

Computerarmor: Silverstone RL06 "Lookalike"

Rememberdoogle: 1TB HDD + 120GB TR150 + 240 SSD Plus + 1TB MX500

AdditionalPylons: Phanteks AMP! 550W (based on Seasonic GX-550)

Letterpad: Rosewill Apollo 9100 (Cherry MX Red)

Buttonrodent: Razer Viper Mini + Huion H430P drawing Tablet

Auralnterface: Sennheiser HD 6xx

Liquidrectangles: LG 27UK850-W 4K HDR

 

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Just now, Energycore said:

Not to mention OC like motherfuckers

Yeah like 1600mhz on air. That is if you get the Zotac Amp ones. I didn't realize it when I bought mine but it not only is one of the highest OCing 980tis, behind K|ngP|n but it also has an overclocked memory something. I can't remember exactly but it wasn't the memory that as OCed which was special but it was like a bus or something. All I know is no other card has it

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2 minutes ago, IAmLamp said:

I would definitely recommend a Xeon for a workstation build. 

Why would he benefit from buying a Xeon? I7s and Xeons are the same minus ECC memory support, which is more for server operation. It is similar to recommending a quadro instead of a titan xp.

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5 minutes ago, IAmLamp said:

I would definitely recommend a Xeon for a workstation build. 

I would go with a 6800k over a Xeon for a personal WS. As the board he has uses features most WS boards don't have USB 3.1 with thunderbolt and so on. It also has features of a WS like dual gig LAN, and older gen support. Unless you are making a blade that is in a server room that renders things remotely I would use an i7. Also OC BOOOOIII

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3 hours ago, Melodist said:

Why would he benefit from buying a Xeon? I7s and Xeons are the same minus ECC memory support, which is more for server operation. It is similar to recommending a quadro instead of a titan xp.

Xeons have been known to run much cooler than i7s. They're just more of the target for work station types of builds/loads. Sure, i7s are an option, but I would still go with a Xeon. 

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I would go with a 6800k over a Xeon for a persona WS. As the board he has uses features most WS boards don't have. USB 3.1 with thunderbolt and so on. It also has features of a WS like dual gig LAN, and older gen support. Unless you are making a blade that is in a server room that renders things remotely I would use an i7. Also OC BOOOOIII

 

Nope, this is for my personal use at home. We have blades with Tesla GPU's at the lab for the intense stuff. 

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Just now, syntheticc0gnition said:

Nope, this is for my personal use at home. We have blades with Tesla GPU's at the lab for the intense stuff. 

Then I would go with an i7.

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Right now, you do not benefit from using a Xeon versus an i7, unless it is meant for 24h render / server operation with no room for failure. Lifespan and quality wise, they are the same, except the Xeons tend to be better matched in terms of specs for performance, but they are essentially equal.

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4 minutes ago, IAmLamp said:

Xeons have been known to run much cooler than i7s. They're just more of the target for work station types of builds/loads. Sure, i7s are an option, but I would still go with a Xeon. 

Given the same clocks and voltage, there is no reason why a Xeon would be cooler than an i7.

 

I suggest the E5-2620 v4 because it's an 8-core that boosts up to 3.0GHz, but more importantly, it has 20MB cache instead of 15MB. More cache = more work done every clock.

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Xeons have been known to run much cooler than i7s. They're just more of the target for work station types of builds/loads. Sure, i7s are an option, but I would still go with a Xeon. 

 

Yeah like 5 degrees cooler at max, but that's about it.

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3 minutes ago, syntheticc0gnition said:

I was leaning that way as well. I loathe the term "future-proof", but is the future the X99 chipset, or Z170?

I think USB 3.1 type C with thunderbolt is pretty future proof. Also M.2, U.2, and SATA Express are also pretty future proof I guess. With how things are going about every 5-7 years you can upgrade your CPU can get 50% better performance. Which is not great in terms of innovation but this PC should last you awhile 

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I think USB 3.1 type C with thunderbolt is pretty future proof. Also M.2, U.2, and SATA Express are also pretty future proof I guess. With how things are going about every 5-7 years you can upgrade your CPU can get 50% better performance. Which is not great in terms of innovation but this PC should last you awhile 

 

It's not those technologies I'm concerned with, it's the CPU chipset. If I get the X99 chipset, will Intel turn around and say "The X99 was a fun experiment, but we are going forward with the Z170 only"

 

Is that likely? No, probably not. Stranger things have happened though.

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It's not those technologies I'm concerned with, it's the CPU chipset. If I get the X99 chipset, will Intel turn around and say "The X99 was a fun experiment, but we are going forward with the Z170 only"

 

Is that likely? No, probably not. Stranger things have happened though.

No it's not likely. Intel makes a lot of money off X99.

We have a NEW and GLORIOUSER-ER-ER PSU Tier List Now. (dammit @LukeSavenije stop coming up with new ones)

You can check out the old one that gave joy to so many across the land here

 

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Chillinmachine: Noctua NH-C14S
Framepainting-inator: EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 Hybrid

Attachcorethingy: Gigabyte H61M-S2V-B3

Infoholdstick: Corsair 2x4GB DDR3 1333

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5 minutes ago, syntheticc0gnition said:

It's not those technologies I'm concerned with, it's the CPU chipset. If I get the X99 chipset, will Intel turn around and say "The X99 was a fun experiment, but we are going forward with the Z170 only"

 

Is that likely? No, probably not. Stranger things have happened though.

Probably not as the X99 was the more work station grade lineup over the Z170

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