need help high temps

[dapfriend912]

I have A8-7650K with hyper 212 evo on an Miniitx board and even with case off it idle at 50-60C?? anyone know why?

then when i am in game I have very bad fps lag drops is it because of the temp of the cpu?

 

here is my pc: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/96Mtnn

[don_svetlio]

You haven't mounted the cooler properly

[straight_stewie]

I think @don_svetlio has hit the nail right on the head. But to make sure: 

• What are your temps under load?
• What do you mean by "case off"?
• What fans do you have on the Hyper?

[cataria]

<agreed check proper mounting first.

if it seems to be fine.

do a cpu stress test and monitor the stats:

 

to test this so we know whats going on do the following:

 

download and install: realtemp, prime 95 and cpu-z

real temp to get temps, prime 95 to stress the cpu and cpu-z to readout the clocks of the cpu and the vcore.

open all programs and in prime 95 run blend test (stresses the memory controller more with slightly less temps)

doesn't need to run long a few minutes will do.

check your max temperate and clock and vcore.

if the cpu goes below 3.3 ghz (base clock) sth. is screwed up.

and if the temperatures goes insane high all the same, sth. is screwed up and stop the test then.

over 90 is insane high so u know.

 

[RandomName123]

If you're using HWMonitor it seems to not work too well for atleast this processor, I have the same processor as you and according to that program i idle at 50-60 also, and hit 80-90+ when stress testing.

Best way to know your temps is to use AMD OverDrive, go to CPU status and look at the thermal margin, max temperature of each core is 72.4C, take whatever temp is showing as the margin away from that, and you'll get the temp for each core. Your package temp will be about 5-10C higher than the single cores temp.
Also Aida64 is a good program to use and reads the temps for both each core and package correctly.

[dapfriend912]

I used this cooler on another build with the same amount of thermal paste as I always put on my builds, and it was very low temps, so this is just confusing as to why its so hot.

Under load its about 80.

By case off i mean the side panel is open so plenty air for the hyper 212 evo.

and its the original fan that came with the cooler is whats on it.

 

Here is a screenshot of the temps and pc is idle.

 

All i can think of doing is taking off the cooler and reapplying new thermal paste see if that helps maybe??

[SLAYR]

2 minutes ago, dapfriend912 said:

I used this cooler on another build with the same amount of thermal paste as I always put on my builds, and it was very low temps, so this is just confusing as to why its so hot.

Under load its about 80.

By case off i mean the side panel is open so plenty air for the hyper 212 evo.

and its the original fan that came with the cooler is whats on it.

 

Here is a screenshot of the temps and pc is idle.

 

All i can think of doing is taking off the cooler and reapplying new thermal paste see if that helps maybe??

Thoose temps are great, it means that it is running 64.8C under the max temp.

[dapfriend912]

16 minutes ago, SLAYR said:

Thoose temps are great, it means that it is running 64.8C under the max temp.

Oh... So I was reading the thing wrong thew whole time! Is there I can see what the live temperature actually is?

Also as for the FPS drops in game would that be a problem with something else then?

[SpaceGhostC2C]

22 minutes ago, dapfriend912 said:

Oh... So I was reading the thing wrong thew whole time! Is there I can see what the live temperature actually is?

Also as for the FPS drops in game would that be a problem with something else then?

According to AMD, the max temp for your APU is 72.4C, so 72.4-thermal margin is your core temp. But when idle, AMD sensors often report silly below ambient temps. You can only really trust it under load.

 

Regarding FPS, they will depend on the game you are running and your whole setup. Are you using a discrete GPU or the integrated one? What is CPU usage while gaming? Etc.

[dapfriend912]

Thanks for the info, I will do some bench marking later and monitor the temps

I have my build posted above.

I am using Sapphire HD7770 Vapor-X 1GB and the integrated is disabled.

CPU usage in black ops 1 is 30-50% never more.

[don_svetlio]

1 hour ago, dapfriend912 said:

I used this cooler on another build with the same amount of thermal paste as I always put on my builds, and it was very low temps, so this is just confusing as to why its so hot.

Under load its about 80.

By case off i mean the side panel is open so plenty air for the hyper 212 evo.

and its the original fan that came with the cooler is whats on it.

 

Here is a screenshot of the temps and pc is idle.

 

All i can think of doing is taking off the cooler and reapplying new thermal paste see if that helps maybe??

That is horrible - 80*C is 10*C above the max rating for that CPU

[dapfriend912]

15 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

That is horrible - 80*C is 10*C above the max rating for that CPU

Thats what HW Monitor was telling me but It has to be a false reading 100 %

amd overdrive is correct and according to SLAYR the temps are really good. Because I am 64.8 under the thermal margin??? So everyone here is telling me different things. Does anyone really know the answer to this? I think that HWMonitor is giving me false readings and the AMD overdrive is what I should be looking at..... Am I right??? There is no way I can believe the CPU is at 80 degrees when the computer is cool and i feel no heat at all. Can someone just clarify that the amd overdrive is correct...

[SLAYR]

1 hour ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

According to AMD, the max temp for your APU is 72.4C, so 72.4-thermal margin is your core temp. But when idle, AMD sensors often report silly below ambient temps. You can only really trust it under load.

The max temp is read on the IHS (top metal part) on the cpu which is not the core temp, intel does the same thing you can get core temps above the max temps on the 6700k the Tcase is 64C, but will throttle only when the core temps reach 80-90C, or in this case with an APU when the thermal margin reaches 10-0C, or even lower.

 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 hour ago, dapfriend912 said:

Thats what HW Monitor was telling me but It has to be a false reading 100 %

amd overdrive is correct and according to SLAYR the temps are really good. Because I am 64.8 under the thermal margin??? So everyone here is telling me different things. Does anyone really know the answer to this? I think that HWMonitor is giving me false readings and the AMD overdrive is what I should be looking at..... Am I right??? There is no way I can believe the CPU is at 80 degrees when the computer is cool and i feel no heat at all. Can someone just clarify that the amd overdrive is correct...

The CPU core being at 80C won't cause the whole case to be burning hot. The air inside the case can stay below 40C (depending on your ambient temps) while the CPU melts. "Feeling" the case is not an accurate way to assess the temperature of your CPU. Just look at Overdrice's thermal margin while gaming and see what it tells you.

 

By the way, I didn't notice the voltage the first time. Did you overclock the chip? I know idle voltages can look higher due to offsets, etc., but if it is also above 1.4v under load, it will warm up quite a lot. Not even the highest boost state is usually that high.

[dapfriend912]

1 hour ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

The CPU core being at 80C won't cause the whole case to be burning hot. The air inside the case can stay below 40C (depending on your ambient temps) while the CPU melts. "Feeling" the case is not an accurate way to assess the temperature of your CPU. Just look at Overdrice's thermal margin while gaming and see what it tells you.

 

By the way, I didn't notice the voltage the first time. Did you overclock the chip? I know idle voltages can look higher due to offsets, etc., but if it is also above 1.4v under load, it will warm up quite a lot. Not even the highest boost state is usually that high.

My motherboard has a thing called X boost where it overclocks the chip for me, I just enabled it and took no notice of it. I'm not fimiliar with any of that kind of stuff anyway I never really manually overclocked a chip before.

[dapfriend912]

Also i think i fixed the problem with the lag spikes by setting priority to high of the application i am using in the task manager

[SpaceGhostC2C]

13 minutes ago, dapfriend912 said:

My motherboard has a thing called X boost where it overclocks the chip for me, I just enabled it and took no notice of it. I'm not fimiliar with any of that kind of stuff anyway I never really manually overclocked a chip before.

That's your answer then. X boost is an automatic overclocking tool present in ASRock boards, that follows some algorithm to look for stable, mild OCs. High voltages ("vcore", or "VID" in Overdrive) ensure stability at high speeds, but they also lead to higher temperatures. It's more than likely that X boost "plays it safe" by erring on the high side of voltage, so you don't get an unstable result.

You can try two things:

- manually lowering vcore in the BIOS, testing for stability, lowering a notch again, etc, until you find the lowest votlage compatible with the OC X-boost found for you

- return to stock values

Both alternatives will lower your temps, unless you really need >1.4v to keep the OC (but it doesn't seem to be a very high OC, so it shouldn't). Probably the second alternative is easier and more likely to succeed.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 minute ago, dapfriend912 said:

Also i think i fixed the problem with the lag spikes by setting priority to high of the application i am using in the task manager

Well, in that case, if you confirm the temperatures while gamin (as reported by Overdrive) are fine, you are good to go.

[dapfriend912]

1 minute ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Well, in that case, if you confirm the temperatures while gamin (as reported by Overdrive) are fine, you are good to go.

When i am in game the thermal margin never goes below 40... Is that normal the games I play are not so demanding anyway

 

[cataria]

could u please try using cpu-z's core voltage readout and real temp as an alternative to check temps?

and as far as i know vid isn't vcore and we don't give a fuck about it on overclocking, except to always disable the chip from deciding its vcore, because if so u get insance vcore and possible issues with it.

 

quote:

The fundamental difference is that:
- The VID is read directly from the CPU's particular core. It's the value the CPU requests depending on its current state and the value it 'thinks' it gets. However in reality, it might get a different voltage - the exact value depends on mainboard's voltage regulator circuitry and particular settings.

- The Vcore on the other hand is a MEASURED value by a dedicated sensor. So this should be the true voltage supplied to the CPU. Reporting correct Vcore voltage might require special adjustment in HWiNFO for each mainboard model (HWiNFO has this for most of them including yours).

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like my system has a vid (read by realtemp) of up to 1,4 volts!! while the vcore stays at 1.356 volts.

on an i5 2500k 4.4 ghz.

 

also i found an article which might interesting u about temperature readings of amd chips:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/faq/id-2122665/understanding-temperature-amd-cpus-apus.html

would be nice if your software were to show guessed absolutes and *distance to tjmax* which as far as i see is thermal margin for amd chips.

 

basicly instead of temps the chip reads out how far u are from the max the chip  is allowed to go, which can differ from my understanding even from chip to chip.

like on  my chip tjmax is a guessed 98 degrees from real temp.

so  for example having 63 distance to tj max equals 35 degrees temperature.