Which Laptop should I choose?

[Wolf585]

I've decided the laptop I want is a ASUS ROG GL502VY-DS71 it's got a 980m, and a pretty good i7 in it. Those specs are better than my pc, but I'd like to know if there's any other laptops that are that thin and within the 0-1.8k range, with at least a 980m and under an inch in thickness. 

(Please do not submit Alienware laptops, they are way overpriced and too thick, with bad specs for the price given) 

[don_svetlio]

Get the 970M or avoid that laptop. The 980M version too hot.

[don_svetlio]

Also, thin + 980M = overheating. Hell, in most cases, even 970M + thin = overheating.

[Pendragon]

Aorus X5s v5 according to most reputable sources cool it fine. I'm dying to get my hands on one to try but I cannot find any in Canada. One of the thinnest adequately cooled and good laptops are the P650RG. But with pascal coming out, I'd advise you sit down and wait till they do.

[Wolf585]

On 8/12/2016 at 8:37 AM, Pendragon said:

Aorus X5s v5 according to most reputable sources cool it fine. I'm dying to get my hands on one to try but I cannot find any in Canada. One of the thinnest adequately cooled and good laptops are the P650RG. But with pascal coming out, I'd advise you sit down and wait till they do.

I do have until winter, so I should be fine to wait. The laptop you mentioned is a bit too expensive but it does look nice

[Pendragon]

What's your budget? And where are you located?

[Wolf585]

6 hours ago, Pendragon said:

What's your budget? And where are you located?

$1800 Southern California 

[Pendragon]

58 minutes ago, Wolf585 said:

$1800 Southern California 

You can probably pick up a 1060 laptop or maybe a barebones 1070 ones. MSI is traditionally more expensive than everyone else so don't be discouraged on August 16th and they release and you find out wtf. Clevo is generally much cheaper than MSI with comparable build quality. Like 980m MSI costs something stupid like 2400 and on Clevo its like 1700.

[Wolf585]

29 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

You can probably pick up a 1060 laptop or maybe a barebones 1070 ones. MSI is traditionally more expensive than everyone else so don't be discouraged on August 16th and they release and you find out wtf. Clevo is generally much cheaper than MSI with comparable build quality. Like 980m MSI costs something stupid like 2400 and on Clevo its like 1700.

The Clevo is cheaper, but they aren't as thin as the ASus GL502VY for the same price. I don't care about melting the classrooms tables I just want the looks to be nice and thin, and 15.6"

[Hunter259]

You should wait on pascal. Should be better on temps and might have better thin and light(to a point) gaming laptops.

[Pendragon]

51 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

You should wait on pascal. Should be better on temps and might have better thin and light(to a point) gaming laptops.

Please stop spreading false information. Pascal is hotter than Maxwell so no it will not fit into thin and light laptops. In fact it will burn them up like the Razer Blade or GS60.

 

58 minutes ago, Wolf585 said:

The Clevo is cheaper, but they aren't as thin as the ASus GL502VY for the same price. I don't care about melting the classrooms tables I just want the looks to be nice and thin, and 15.6"

To my knowledge, the "best looking" and thin laptop that actually doesn't thermal throttle is the Aorus X5s V5 with a 980m. If that's out of your price range, can I suggest you take a look at the P640RE and tell me if that qualifies as thin and light? Need a frame of reference in what you mean by that. Here's the link to the P640RE. http://www.eurocom.com/ec/images(350)ec

[Hunter259]

Just now, Pendragon said:

Please stop spreading false information. Pascal is hotter than Maxwell so no it will not fit into thin and light laptops. In fact it will burn them up like the Razer Blade or GS60.

 

To my knowledge, the "best looking" and thin laptop that actually doesn't thermal throttle is the Aorus X5s V5 with a 980m. If that's out of your price range, can I suggest you take a look at the P640RE and tell me if that qualifies as thin and light? Need a frame of reference in what you mean by that. Here's the link to the P640RE. http://www.eurocom.com/ec/images(350)ec

Where the hell did you get Pascal being hotter? Where are your facts?

[Pendragon]

11 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

Where the hell did you get Pascal being hotter? Where are your facts?

Holy shit I'm fucking done with you.

@D2ultima hope you don't mind me referencing your posts because they make more sense than mine. 

[Hunter259]

Just now, Pendragon said:

Holy shit I'm fucking done with you.

@D2ultima 

So say that they are as hot as their maxwell counterparts but still get the impressive clock boosts. Are you saying that's not worth waiting for? Not to mention they consume less power than maxwell which is a BIG deal in the mobile market.

[Pendragon]

On 8/12/2016 at 11:37 AM, Pendragon said:

But with pascal coming out, I'd advise you sit down and wait till they do.

 

[Hunter259]

1 minute ago, Pendragon said:

 

Ah my bad.

[D2ultima]

1 hour ago, Hunter259 said:

So say that they are as hot as their maxwell counterparts but still get the impressive clock boosts. Are you saying that's not worth waiting for? Not to mention they consume less power than maxwell which is a BIG deal in the mobile market.

They don't even come close to being as cool as maxwell. They're hotter than Fermi was, class-to-class of card (GF110 vs GP102, GF114 vs GP104, GF116 vs GP106, etc). The performance is there if it remains COOL, but remaining cool is not something that will be easily done. And any thin laptop with ANY pascal mobile chip GTX 1060 or higher will simply overheat. Expect 1GHz clockdrops or more. Pascal by default on mobile starts thermal throttling at 68c. Maxwell starts at 87c. Pascal is supremely hotter. Do the math. I even bet the thin laptops like Gigabyte/Aorus and Razer won't even bother getting Pascal, because they simply won't work. A 1060 will be performing like a 950M in those things.

 

There is no architectural bonus that Pascal has over Maxwell (in fact there's a slight reduction). They shrunk Maxwell down to 16nm, added more cores per class of card (1024 cores GM206 --> 1280 cores GP104, 2048 cores GM204 --> 2560 cores GP104, etc) and bumped the clockspeed of the already highly-clockable maxwell cards more. The benefit pascal has over maxwell *PURELY* comes from going from 28nm to 16nm, but they rushed Pascal and didn't deal with the heat issue properly because the dies are extremely condensed. So when you take a mobile 1060 (1280 cores, ~1415MHz clockspeed + boost) and throttle it under 1GHz, you end up with a 970M (1280 cores, 924MHz clockspeed + boost) or worse. Sure they draw low enough power to be shoved into notebooks, but ODMs and OEMs have to cool it. And 90% of all "gaming" laptops on the market aren't even prepared to hold a 1060, because EVERYBODY simply capitalized on Maxwell being just that cool.

1 hour ago, Pendragon said:

 

@D2ultima hope you don't mind me referencing your posts because they make more sense than mine. 

I don't mind at all, my information is there for that purpose.

[Hunter259]

48 minutes ago, D2ultima said:

They don't even come close to being as cool as maxwell. They're hotter than Fermi was, class-to-class of card (GF110 vs GP102, GF114 vs GP104, GF116 vs GP106, etc). The performance is there if it remains COOL, but remaining cool is not something that will be easily done. And any thin laptop with ANY pascal mobile chip GTX 1060 or higher will simply overheat. Expect 1GHz clockdrops or more. Pascal by default on mobile starts thermal throttling at 68c. Maxwell starts at 87c. Pascal is supremely hotter. Do the math. I even bet the thin laptops like Gigabyte/Aorus and Razer won't even bother getting Pascal, because they simply won't work. A 1060 will be performing like a 950M in those things.

 

There is no architectural bonus that Pascal has over Maxwell (in fact there's a slight reduction). They shrunk Maxwell down to 16nm, added more cores per class of card (1024 cores GM206 --> 1280 cores GP104, 2048 cores GM204 --> 2560 cores GP104, etc) and bumped the clockspeed of the already highly-clockable maxwell cards more. The benefit pascal has over maxwell *PURELY* comes from going from 28nm to 16nm, but they rushed Pascal and didn't deal with the heat issue properly because the dies are extremely condensed. So when you take a mobile 1060 (1280 cores, ~1415MHz clockspeed + boost) and throttle it under 1GHz, you end up with a 970M (1280 cores, 924MHz clockspeed + boost) or worse. Sure they draw low enough power to be shoved into notebooks, but ODMs and OEMs have to cool it. And 90% of all "gaming" laptops on the market aren't even prepared to hold a 1060, because EVERYBODY simply capitalized on Maxwell being just that cool.

I don't mind at all, my information is there for that purpose.

My 980ti drops his 1.23V to 1.212 once it hits about 70c so I'd say throttling is a bit earlier than that for maxwell. I do want a true mobile pascal which I hope Nvidia is doing and that the rumors are false but yes I agree that Maxwell is better in a mobile platform after doing some research.

[D2ultima]

1 minute ago, Hunter259 said:

My 980ti drops his 1.23V to 1.212 once it hits about 70c so I'd say throttling is a bit earlier than that for maxwell. I do want a true mobile pascal which I hope Nvidia is doing and that the rumors are false but yes I agree that Maxwell is better in a mobile platform after doing some research.

Thermal throttle point, not power or voltage throttle. Flash a custom vBIOS for constant voltage and higher power draw limits and see how high clocks keep until the 87c.

[Hunter259]

Just now, D2ultima said:

Thermal throttle point, not power or voltage throttle. Flash a custom vBIOS for constant voltage and see how high clocks keep until the 87c.

Well my core clock drops as well as the voltage as it can't "sustain" it. I'm sure if I did it would be fine but its not worth it for maybe 50MHz.

[D2ultima]

Just now, Hunter259 said:

Well my core clock drops as well as the voltage as it can't "sustain" it. I'm sure if I did it would be fine but its not worth it for maybe 50MHz.

Maxwell (and pascal to a lesser degree) throttles voltage up and down multiple times per second (so fast it won't show up in GPU-Z and such programs), so it's never truly stable. And while the thermal point is 87c, Maxwell (and by extension Pascal) as an architecture is more reliant on heat than voltage; when trying to overclock the cards it's much more beneficial to keep temperature as low as possible rather than feeding it more voltage. So that's why you lose a bit of your boost (though as you say it's inconsequential).

 

If you want to read up more about the voltage micro-adjustments, you can check this link. It's a large part of why they're so "power efficient", but it isn't so stable when you properly stress the cards. I've had a TON of streamers with 980s and 980Tis on the OBS forums getting crashes streaming Witcher 3 sometime after it came out and I had to make them overvolt their cards, because load from OBS combined with the load from Witcher 3 was causing the cards to crash when they dropped their voltage and couldn't push it back up fast enough, so the overvolt would affect the minimum voltage (and thus make the card stable). And then the mods got mad because they didn't like me telling people to go overvolting their cards in case they overheated, to which point I had to inform them that the only other option is flashing a custom vBIOS to keep voltage at a constant, and then they shut up. And everyone who did overvolt came back and reported that the overvolt worked perfectly to prevent crashes.

 

Pascal has a much narrower band and I expect it to not be so unstable, though.

[exercutor5]

8 hours ago, Wolf585 said:

The Clevo is cheaper, but they aren't as thin as the ASus GL502VY for the same price. I don't care about melting the classrooms tables I just want the looks to be nice and thin, and 15.6"

An inch thick ain't thick for a gaming laptop, just so you know. Wait out for the next gen Clevo P65xxx series.

[Wolf585]

4 hours ago, exercutor5 said:

An inch thick ain't thick for a gaming laptop, just so you know. Wait out for the next gen Clevo P65xxx series.

I know that, looking at some of the Sager PCs, I just need it to be mobile enough that its doesn't take up a fourth of my backpack and weight.