Windows 10 Low Fps

[Nightfreak]

Hello.

First of all sorry for my bad English and/or If I'm posting to wrong category.

 

Here is my problem:
I have two windows (7 and 10) each on separated SSD. I have no problems with Windows 7, everything is working perfectly but I like windows 10 more so I'd like to move to 10. But in Win 10 I have low fps in games and also some websites with better graphics feels little bit laggy (usually those with partly transparent backgrounds of divs). Anyway the main problem is FPS in games. So... I was looking at Performance Monitor during playing and there was nothing wrong (HDD, CPU, RAM seems fine... below 50% all the time). So I started checking GPU and observed that it is never going at top speed (talking about core). It's jumping between 300 to 700 Mhz. So I tried MSI Afterburner tool and forced GPU to max speed which worked fine - gpu was at 1030 Mhz constantly. But I have no idea why games can't do the same.
Also I have same FPS no matter what graphics settings I choose (Tried to reduce graphics settings in WOW from 7 to 1 and in GTA 5 from ultra to low and still had same fps even though on Win 7 it incrases my FPS by more than 100%) which is really weird. 

 

Difference Win 7 vs 10 on same settings:
CSGO High: 110 - 50
GTAV Ultra: 55 - 18
WOW 7: 80 - 22
(not measured. Just what I remember)

 

What I have tried:
• Update AMD drivers
• Clean Install AMD drivers (using DDU tool)
• Auto Install AMD drivers
• Reinstall Windows 10
• Clean install Windows 10 (formatted disk)
• Samsung SSD 850 EVO Win 10 High Performance
• Overclock GPU (no difference, still same FPS no matter how much OCed)
• Change sata from AHCI to IDE and back
• Update everything what Windows 10 offered (also installed new service pack which I hoped might help but didn't.)

• winsat formal -restart clean command (log here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22611543/ )

 

PC Spec:
CPU: AMD Phenom II 1100T Black Edition 6 core 3,3 Ghz
GPU: AMD Sapphire Radeon R9 290X VAPOR-X TRI-X 4GB DDR5
RAM: 4x2 GB Transcend 2000Mhz
MB: ASUS Crosshair IV Formula
PSU: Seasonic M12II Bronze (850W)
SSD: Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500Gb (windows 10 system disk)
SSD2: Kingstong SV300S37A 120GB (windows 7 system disk)
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RP (Games are installed here)

 

DxDiag:
http://paste.ubuntu.com/22509861

 

Not sure If I said everything necessary. Tell me what more info you need.

 

I will appreciate any idea or help.
Thank you very much.

[minecraftyeet1]

Just now, Nightfreak said:

Hello.

First of all sorry for my bad English and/or If I'm posting to wrong category.

 

Here is my problem:
I have two windows (7 and 10) each on separated SSD. I have no problems with Windows 7, everything is working perfectly but I like windows 10 more so I'd like to move to 10. But in Win 10 I have low fps in games and also some websites with better graphics feels little bit laggy (usually those with partly transparent backgrounds of divs). Anyway the main problem is FPS in games. So... I was looking at Performance Monitor during playing and there was nothing wrong (HDD, CPU, RAM seems fine... below 50% all the time). So I started checking GPU and observed that it is never going at top speed (talking about core). It's jumping between 300 to 700 Mhz. So I tried MSI Afterburner tool and forced GPU to max speed which worked fine - gpu was at 1030 Mhz constantly. But I have no idea why games can't do the same.
Also I have same FPS no matter what graphics settings I choose (Tried to reduce graphics settings in WOW from 7 to 1 and in GTA 5 from ultra to low and still had same fps even though on Win 7 it incrases my FPS by more than 100%) which is really weird. 

 

Difference Win 7 vs 10 on same settings:
CSGO High: 110 - 50
GTAV Ultra: 55 - 18
WOW 7: 80 - 22
(not measured. Just what I remember)

 

What I have tried:
• Update AMD drivers
• Clean Install AMD drivers (using DDU tool)
• Auto Install AMD drivers
• Reinstall Windows 10
• Clean install Windows 10 (formatted disk)
• Samsung SSD 850 EVO Win 10 High Performance
• Overclock GPU (no difference, still same FPS no matter how much OCed)
• Change sata from AHCI to IDE and back
• Update everything what Windows 10 offered (also installed new service pack which I hoped might help but didn't.)

• winsat formal -restart clean command (log here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/22611543/ )

 

PC Spec:
CPU: AMD Phenom II 1100T Black Edition 6 core 3,3 Ghz
GPU: AMD Sapphire Radeon R9 290X VAPOR-X TRI-X 4GB DDR5
RAM: 4x2 GB Transcend 2000Mhz
MB: ASUS Crosshair IV Formula
PSU: Seasonic M12II Bronze (850W)
SSD: Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500Gb (windows 10 system disk)
SSD2: Kingstong SV300S37A 120GB (windows 7 system disk)
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RP (Games are installed here)

 

DxDiag:
http://paste.ubuntu.com/22509861

 

Not sure If I said everything necessary. Tell me what more info you need.

 

I will appreciate any idea or help.
Thank you very much.

Update to windows 8 and never update again, it will solve all your problems

[Nightfreak]

2 minutes ago, I Need A PC Build ASAP said:

Update to windows 8 and never update again, it will solve all your problems

I don't like Windows 8 at all I would rather stay with Win 7. But I'm posting here to find out what is wrong with my Win 10 and how to fix it. I know few people with very similiar hardware running Win10 without any problems (even with higher fps than with Win8 or Win7) so I don't think it's a general problem of Win10.

[Skiiwee29]

Make sure you dont have Vsync on. 

[Samppa221]

Was the Windows 10 installation a fresh one?

[Nightfreak]

7 minutes ago, Samppa221 said:

Was the Windows 10 installation a fresh one?

Yes. I tried all options. Update win 7, Clean install Win 10, format disk before installation, Install Win 10 on the same disk where is WIn 7... and so on.

 

But there was  one interesting thing....I just remembered that there was no such problem right after the UPDATE from Win7 to Win 10 (using standard microsoft update). I had same (maybe a little bit higher) fps than on Win 7. But after restart and few hours of "using" win 10 the problem started again.

[AlTech]

25 minutes ago, Nightfreak said:

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Try reinstalling your GPU drivers.

[Nightfreak]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

Try reinstalling your GPU drivers.

As I said in the first post I tried to reinstall my GPU drivers.

First I tried newest drivers, then some older one, also I tried to use AMD Autodetect application to get "best" drivers.

Then I tried to let windows 10 get best drivers for me and then I tried "clean install" using DDU tool with blocking Windows from automatic gpu updates.

I have this problem since I installed windows 10 for first time (which is like 5 months ago). Since that AMD released maybe 3 new drivers. I tried all of them.

 

Nothing helped...

[GoodBytes]

Maybe you have the Game DVR to always record option enabled.

Start the XBox app, Then go to Setting (Click on the Gear icon on the left most column), then go under Game DVR tab, and disable: Background Recording.

[Nightfreak]

5 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Maybe you have the Game DVR to always record option enabled.

Start the XBox app, Then go to Setting (Click on the Gear icon on the left most column), then go under Game DVR tab, and disable: Background Recording.

Didn't help.

 

4 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Do you have an integrated video card? Like iGPU or in your motherboard? Can you check if it is active? That performance gap is really weird.

No. I my MB is Asus Crosshair IV Formula and CPU is AMD Phenom II 1100T Black. They have no integrated GPU.

 

 

Btw: Uploading screenshots of my performance while playing GTA 5. Took screenshots on the same spot with same settings.

Win10: 12 FPS

Win7: 38 FPS

 

On the screenshots you can see that Win 7 is actually taking "much more" from my CPU, GPU and also the ram. What might be the issue? May Win10 somehow reduce the maximal power the hardware will use? Or what else might be "stopping" it from using more of it's performance?

[GoodBytes]

Did you install your motherboard chipset drivers?

 

[Nightfreak]

Well on official website (which is here ) are available only Win7 chipset drivers and those are not installable on Windows 10 (It says does not support this OS before installation).

 

But AMD drivers include drivers for chipset aswell. Or does it?

[GoodBytes]

6 minutes ago, Nightfreak said:

Well on official website (which is here ) are available only Win7 chipset drivers and those are not installable on Windows 10 (It says does not support this OS before installation).

 

But AMD drivers include drivers for chipset aswell. Or does it?

Install them regardless of the OS support claim.

If the driver setup complains about wrong OS, just right-click on the setup executable, select "Properties", then go under the "Compatibility" tab, and set it to Windows 7. This will by-pass the OS detection, and they should install fine. Once done restart your system, and see if your performance has been improved,

[Nightfreak]

22 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Install them regardless of the OS support claim.

If the driver setup complains about wrong OS, just right-click on the setup executable, select "Properties", then go under the "Compatibility" tab, and set it to Windows 7. This will by-pass the OS detection, and they should install fine. Once done restart your system, and see if your performance has been improved,

Ok, installation passed.

But performance is still same. 13 fps, GPU 687 Mh, CPU 63% (same spot like on pictures above). Tried WoW also - no improvement.

[GoodBytes]

Can you unplug your all peripherals and extra hardware in your system, and keep it barebone (keyboard/mouse/monitor) No USB flash drive, No wireless cards, No printer, No external HDD, No sound card (if any). Restarts your system after.

 

[Nightfreak]

48 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Can you unplug your all peripherals and extra hardware in your system, and keep it barebone (keyboard/mouse/monitor) No USB flash drive, No wireless cards, No printer, No external HDD, No sound card (if any). Restarts your system after.

 

Unpluged everything unnecessary (even second SSD and HDD). Have only mouse (Logitech G700) and keyboard (Roccat Isku) plugged in. Still the same (13 fps).

[GoodBytes]

11 minutes ago, Nightfreak said:

Unpluged everything unnecessary (even second SSD and HDD). Have only mouse (Logitech G700) and keyboard (Roccat Isku) plugged in. Still the same (13 fps).

Can you install older AMD graphics drivers and see if that helps? (maybe there is a bug in the latest drivers under Windows 10)

Do you have the latest BIOS/UEFI installed?

 

Just to be extra sure that it isn't Game DVR feature causing problem (it should not, but maybe a bug)

Go to the registry, and navigate to: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\GameDVR
Then, find: AppCaptureEnabled, and set to 0 if it not it (double click on it, and set the value to 0 and click OK)

Then go to: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\GameConfigStore
Find: GameDVR_Enabled, and set to 0 as well.

 

Restart your system.

 

Oh and Open Device Manager, do you see any items with "!" icon next to it? or "?" icon.

[Nightfreak]

I have this problem since I installed W10 for first time which is like 7-8 months ago. Since that was released almost 5 versions of AMD drivers. I was testing each of them and no-one worked. I've been even testing it after each Windows 10 update and so on. I decided to ask on the forum when new win 10 "service pack" update (3days ago), which was my last hope, didn't help either. So maybe drivers older than 2015/12 ? Is it possible to get them anywher?

 

Changed registry as you said (well I didn't have to. Both were at 0 already.)

 

Device manager seems OK.. viz screenshot.

 

 

But I'm 100% sure that there is something wrong in software. Neither hardware nor bios. Because after fresh install of win10 I didn't experience such problem. It always started after few hours of using the system (or maybe after some restarts... I dont know.). So there must be something wrong in one of windows updates? Maybe? Or maybe windows automatic-driver updates? I think I might try to install Win10 and somehow disable all automatic updates and then try...Is it possible?

Maybe it could help us to find out where is the problem?? Or you have any other idea?

[GoodBytes]

Yea everything looks fine on the Device Manager. I asked, because I want to cover all the possible basics, before attacking to software, which is harder to determine at times, as we all install different software on the system.

 

What software do you have installed on your system in detail (feel free to post a screen shot of Program & Features), and can you show your startup programs?

[Nightfreak]

Forgot to answer the bios question: I have the newest version - 3029. It is beta but I think I was updating it from stable AFTER these problems appeared. If you think it might be problem I can change it to latest stable version.

 

Here are screenshots of my apps and startup apps.

[GoodBytes]

BIOS is fine.

Oh boy! You are really not making it easy with all these software.

 

Ok to start:

Under your startup, the only thing I see useful is Microsoft Denfender notification (and even then). The rest, disable it. You can keep OneDrive, but I don't trust Google drive.

I would disable everything. Once done, restart your system. See if the problem is solved.

 

 

i have to go now, but I see you have many software with the potential of services running, and we have to dig at what can it might be.

 

[Nightfreak]

Tried to turn off startup apps. Didnť help.

 

I created new disk partition on same SSD and installed fresh Win 10 pro, then installed AMD gpu and chipset drivers, chrome and steam. And I'm running GTA 5 with 42 FPS!!  

Now I'm going to install windows updates and see if it gets broken. if not I will try to install applications one by one. 

Will keep you informed.

[GoodBytes]

2 hours ago, Nightfreak said:

Tried to turn off startup apps. Didnť help.

 

I created new disk partition on same SSD and installed fresh Win 10 pro, then installed AMD gpu and chipset drivers, chrome and steam. And I'm running GTA 5 with 42 FPS!!  

Now I'm going to install windows updates and see if it gets broken. if not I will try to install applications one by one. 

Will keep you informed.

Please let us know! All I can think is perhaps Hyper-V for the Windows Phone 8 / Win 10 Mobile... but I don't have any performance issue of this level on my system, and it's old, so I would notice (Core i7 930 non-OC, GeForce 680, 6GB of RAM). But never know...

[Nightfreak]

Ok so the last "option" I tried was the issue -  Visual Studio 2015. My FPS are crap again since I installed it.

Kind of ironic. Microsoft tool broke my Microsoft OS. lol.

 

Anyway... what now? Is there a way to somehow "stop" some services during playing or something? I want to do both (work and play) and I don't want to have separated OS to reach this  ....

[GoodBytes]

38 minutes ago, Nightfreak said:

Ok so the last "option" I tried was the issue -  Visual Studio 2015. My FPS are crap again since I installed it.

Kind of ironic. Microsoft tool broke my Microsoft OS. lol.

 

Anyway... what now? Is there a way to somehow "stop" some services during playing or something? I want to do both (work and play) and I don't want to have separated OS to reach this  ....

Just install what you need from VS2015. It comes with 100's things, which you probably don't use.

Then uninstall Windows Phone emulator, and make sure Hyper-V is disabled. Remove IIS if you don't use it also.