xeon vs core

[skysmad]

im just a little curious but if someone wants to help me figure this out, who knows about cpu's is there a xeon that is basically the same as i7 4770 or 4770k thats roughly the same price (uk) ?

help would be very appreciated 

[nishank93]

All the information you need is here: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/62177-i7-4770-vs-xeon-1230v3/

[megadarkwood]

Xeons are for servers so that is what they are optimized for. Don't use one for anything else.

[skullbringer]

Xeons are for servers so that is what they are optimized for. Don't use one for anything else.

 

Why not use one for anything else?

[megadarkwood]

Why not use one for anything else?

They are not meant for anything else.

[skullbringer]

They are not meant for anything else.

 

Who sais that? and why?

[megadarkwood]

Who sais that? and why?

Intel says that, I am not completely sure why but I think it is because they don't have integrated graphics and stronger/more cores.

[Humbug]

Xeons are for servers so that is what they are optimized for. Don't use one for anything else.

Actually they work very well for gaming, just as fast as an i7 at the same clockspeed.

They don't have integrated graphics though (which doesn't matter to us serious gamers). The major limitation is they can't be overclocked.

 

I woudn't mind putting a Xeon in my socket 1155 rig, it has more street cred than a core-i

I don't buy them because they are expensive and locked, but the fact is they do game very well so if somehow one lands in your lap or for cheap you shouldn't hesitate to take it.

[kuzimins]

http://youtu.be/c8WrGJ4GLm4?t=1h34m53s

 

Watch this

[skullbringer]

Intel says that, I am not completely sure why but I think it is because they don't have integrated graphics and stronger/more cores.

 

I dont think they say that, can you quote?

There are no cpus with more/stronger cores on the 115x platform, right? And why would you need integrated graphics when you use a dedicated card anyways?

[megadarkwood]

I dont think they say that, can you quote?

There are no cpus with more/stronger cores on the 115x platform, right? And why would you need integrated graphics when you use a dedicated card anyways?

There will be no QuickSync without integrated graphics .etc

 

Actually they work very well for gaming, just as fast as an i7 at the same clockspeed.

They don't have integrated graphics though (which doesn't matter to us serious gamers). The major limitation is they can't be overclocked.

 

I woudn't mind putting a Xeon in my socket 1155 rig, it has more street cred than a core-i

I don't buy them because they are expensive and locked, but the fact is they do game very well so if somehow one lands in your lap or for cheap you shouldn't hesitate to take it.

Please, do not use a xeon for gaming, Xeons are meant for heavy computing use and not for things like gaming. Unless you will be running a sever along with your games there is no point.

[Humbug]

Please, do not use a xeon for gaming, Xeons are meant for heavy computing use and not for things like gaming. Unless you will be running a sever along with your games there is no point.

read my post again

It doesn't matter what they are meant to do, I was talking about what they can do

 

I wouldn't buy one at normal price but if I had the chance to get one cheap I would

[megadarkwood]

read my post again

It doesn't matter what they are meant to do, I was talking about what they can do

 

I wouldn't buy one at normal price but if I had the chance to get one cheap I would

butbutbutbutbut

no

[Humbug]

butbutbutbutbut

no

ok fine

if it means that much to you I will not game on Xeon

[megadarkwood]

ok

 

if it's that important to you I will never game on Xeon

Thank you.

[Glenwing]

They have features such as ECC RAM that is essential for servers and 3D workstation applications, which is enabled if you use a C220 series chipset (not Z87).  Beyond that there is no significant difference.  Xeon processors at a particular frequency are usually a little higher priced than their Core equivalents (the exception to this is the i7-4770 equivalent for $275 if you don't mind losing the integrated graphics, otherwise it's about $350), and Xeons also don't have the possibility of overclocking like the Core series K SKUs do, so for performance in generic consumer applications, or basically anything except what I mentioned above, they don't offer anything that would change anything, so there are really no reasons why you would get a Xeon over a Core processor except to say you're running a Xeon because it sounds pretty cool.

[Kuzma]

They have features such as ECC RAM that is essential for servers and 3D workstation applications, which is enabled if you use a C220 series chipset (not Z87).  Beyond that there is no significant difference.  Xeon processors at a particular frequency are usually a little higher priced than their Core equivalents (the exception to this is the i7-4770 equivalent for $275 if you don't mind losing the integrated graphics, otherwise it's about $350), and Xeons also don't have the possibility of overclocking like the Core series K SKUs do, so for performance in generic consumer applications, or basically anything except what I mentioned above, they don't offer anything that would change anything, so there are really no reasons why you would get a Xeon over a Core processor except to say you're running a Xeon because it sounds pretty cool.

What about the x Xeons?

[Glenwing]

What about the x Xeons?

 

I'm not sure what you're talking about

[skysmad]

Actually they work very well for gaming, just as fast as an i7 at the same clockspeed.

They don't have integrated graphics though (which doesn't matter to us serious gamers). The major limitation is they can't be overclocked.

 

I woudn't mind putting a Xeon in my socket 1155 rig, it has more street cred than a core-i

I don't buy them because they are expensive and locked, but the fact is they do game very well so if somehow one lands in your lap or for cheap you shouldn't hesitate to take it.

well my friend i hope you didnt get the i7 4770k cause looky what i just found... though idk if its good or not http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Xeon-E3-1230-3-2-Processor/dp/B004R0QBRU/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381086724&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=xeon+e3-1230v3

[EBB]

well my friend i hope you didnt get the i7 4770k cause looky what i just found... though idk if its good or not http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Xeon-E3-1230-3-2-Processor/dp/B004R0QBRU/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381086724&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=xeon+e3-1230v3

 

Skysmad, that's the sandy bridge version of the E3 1230 (i.e. v1). You can however get the ivy bridge version (v2)  from amazon currently for £180, the Haswell version 1230 v3 is actually £180 at aria too atm (+delivery).

 

As has been said many times all over the internet (and the thread Nishank93 linked) the E3 1230 is the only xeon cpu worth considering for most consumers wanting one for gaming or home use as new as it costs the same as a 4670k but about £50-60 cheaper than the i7 4770. The xeons below this are not much cheaper and have no hyperthreading, the xeons above it are all more expensive usually than the i7 4770. It's only the right CPU though if you meet three criteria:  1. Do not wish to overclock  2. Want the hyperthreading of i7 over an i5  3. Do not want the iGPU (which does have uses such as troubleshooting a faulty GPU for example).

 

As for motherboard support, gigabyte for example support all 1150 xeons on all their 1150 boards, as far as I can tell. Even in their cheapest b85/H81 boards which still have pcie3/usb3/sata3 etc. (can use this to check http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support.aspx).

[skysmad]

Skysmad, that's the sandy bridge version of the E3 1230 (i.e. v1). You can however get the ivy bridge version (v2)  from amazon currently for £180, the Haswell version 1230 v3 is actually £180 at aria too atm (+delivery).

 

As has been said many times all over the internet (and the thread Nishank93 linked) the E3 1230 is the only xeon cpu worth considering for most consumers wanting one for gaming or home use as new as it costs the same as a 4670k but about £50-60 cheaper than the i7 4770. The xeons below this are not much cheaper and have no hyperthreading, the xeons above it are all more expensive usually than the i7 4770. It's only the right CPU though if you meet three criteria:  1. Do not wish to overclock  2. Want the hyperthreading of i7 over an i5  3. Do not want the iGPU (which does have uses such as troubleshooting a faulty GPU for example).

 

As for motherboard support, gigabyte for example support all 1150 xeons on all their 1150 boards, as far as I can tell. Even in their cheapest b85/H81 boards which still have pcie3/usb3/sata3 etc. (can use this to check http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support.aspx).

told you i didnt know haha but is there a evga or asus board that works with all types of xeons like e3 to e7 ?

[Glenwing]

told you i didnt know haha but is there a evga or asus board that works with all types of xeons like e3 to e7 ?

 

No, the different classes of Xeons use different sockets. (E3/LGA 1150, E5/LGA 2011, and E7/LGA 1567 respectively).

[WunderWuffle]

No, the different classes of Xeons use different sockets. (E3/LGA 1150, E5/LGA 2011, and E7/LGA 1567 respectively).

there's a 1567 socket?

[ericlee30]

there's a 1567 socket?

Yep it is based off the E7 Xeons

[WunderWuffle]

Yep it is based off the E7 Xeons

Woah.