No Man's sky might be delayed because of patent

[spartaman64]

Just now, Kloaked said:

Might be interchangeable to them, which is my whole point. We don't know all of the details.

im pretty sure code isnt interchangeable with mathematics formula

[spartaman64]

2 minutes ago, Orblivion said:

It isn't the code that is patented.  It is the specific use of the formula, in this case "for the creation of 2D/3D models and animation".  If Hello Games did use Johan Gielis', ie Genicap's, formula, there is a very good chance that it was for the creation of 2D/3D models and animation.

so if i use triangulation to locate where something is in a game gps companies are going to sue me

[Orblivion]

Here are the EU and US patents that Genicap owns in regards to the formula for anyone who wants to look deeper.

[spartaman64]

3 minutes ago, Orblivion said:

Here are the EU and US patents that Genicap owns in regards to the formula for anyone who wants to look deeper.

yea pretty sure you cant patient that and they should be invalidated

[Orblivion]

4 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

yea pretty sure you cant patient that and they should be invalidated

Both the EU and US have approved the patent, so...you're wrong.  Whether or not the patent applies in this situation is still in question, but it is undeniable that they own patents on these intended uses of that formula.

[spartaman64]

Just now, Orblivion said:

Both the EU and US have approved the patent, so...you're wrong.  Whether or not the patent applies in this situation is still in question, but it is undeniable that they own patents on these intended uses of that formula.

you shouldnt be able to patient mathematical formulas as they are discoveries not inventions. principally it would be like if i was the first person to discover DNA and then suing everyone that have DNA in them. or bring it back to a previous example like if GPS companies are suing geologists for using triangulation to locate earthquakes

[Orblivion]

Again, they haven't patented the formula, they've patented specific uses of the formula.  Apparently, that is something you can do.  These patents do mention the use of the formula in the creation of models and animation for 2D and 3D graphical software, if Genicap decides to sue it will be up to the courts to decide whether or not the patent applies in this specific case.

[spartaman64]

8 minutes ago, Orblivion said:

Again, they haven't patented the formula, they've patented specific uses of the formula.  Apparently, that is something you can do.  These patents do mention the use of the formula in the creation of models and animation for 2D and 3D graphical software, if Genicap decides to sue it will be up to the courts to decide whether or not the patent applies in this specific case.

so if i was the first person to figure out using triangulation to locate something i can sue every gps company

[Orblivion]

Just now, spartaman64 said:

so if i was the first person to figure out using triangulation to locate something i can sue every gps company

Not sure.  GPS satellites are actually still owned and maintained by the US Air Force, so I'm not sure how patent law applies to that stuff.

[spartaman64]

9 minutes ago, Orblivion said:

Not sure.  GPS satellites are actually still owned and maintained by the US Air Force, so I'm not sure how patent law applies to that stuff.

and if I was the first person to find that length X width X height is the area of a cube can I sue anyone who uses that after me? 

[Orblivion]

2 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

and if I was the first person to find that length X width X height is the area of a cube can I sue anyone who uses that after me? 

What exactly is the point of this conversation?  You keep saying that they can't, or shouldn't be able to, patent that.  But I've shown you two valid and current patents on "that".

[Sakkura]

41 minutes ago, Orblivion said:

Both the EU and US have approved the patent, so...you're wrong.  Whether or not the patent applies in this situation is still in question, but it is undeniable that they own patents on these intended uses of that formula.

The patent offices aren't always that diligent in checking patent applications. It's not uncommon for them to approve patents that shouldn't have been issued. Ultimately it's for the courts to decide.

 

But I could see this patent holding up.

[EmeraldKiwi]

It looks like this could go either way, but I don't really see them completely preventing a game release because of a patent. That would be a really stupid move.