bf4 uses all 8 cores ?

[acepro71]

people  state bf4 runs better on amd its  because its designed to actually use all 8 cores ...

 

and more games are going to start using all 8 cores because the new next gen consoles like PS4 and xbox one have 8 cores in them

 

what do u guys think about this ? 

[Jack.EXE]

Total lies, it's not like BF4 is going to use mantle or anything.

 

/sacrasm

[iAsuno]

it is because AMD has  partnership with BF4 and probabbly optimized the game more for AMD and also the new drivers since they are involved in the development.

[acepro71]

Total lies, it's not like BF4 is going to use mantle or anything.

 

/sacrasm

its not gonna use mantle thats just sad 

[Lil Chillbil]

It uses all 4 on my cpu, 

[BlackOutCrisis]

The current beta build of bf4 is old and isn't coded to prioritize use of gpu's. It uses 100% of my 3570k @4.3Ghz and not even close to half of my 7950. We will have to wait until we get a proper build out to see what it actually uses resource wise.

[D3MON]

I have amd cpus in (nearly) all my rigs and plan on getting an 8320 when i can.....
...it wont NEED 8 cores.
you hear "battlefield 3 uses lots of cores" and people take that to think you NEED lots of cores, its not the (whole) case.
the frostbite engine from what ive seen of it is coded to use multiple threads fairly evenly (as does gta 4 and most other big games) BUT it doesnt mean you need them, i get 70% on 4 cores, 85% on 3 cores and 100% on 2 cores (only starting to bottleneck).
what it means is if its very well threaded and you had an 8 core you're likely to see 35% usage across all cores.
which is useful because you can run 2 moduces/4threads on the game and have fraps recording on another module which freemake converts previous recordings on the last module (or stream if you like), thats what i plan to do...

theres lots of benchmarks of other games where intels hyperthreading isnt needed. most games that are "cpu limited" often are poorly threaded in which case a high IPC and high clocked pentium dual core will beat an 8350...because 6 threads on it arnt doing anything and then you get intel fanboys sayign "my intel dual core can beat an 8 core amd!!"

the future is getting more parralel threaded, i think thats why GPU based hardware acceleration is taking off, because gpus are very good at that sort of thing and it will continue, if i was ARM id probably be thinking of an efficient 12 core 2ghz chip for future notebooks.

[SpenceSouth]

The current beta build of bf4 is old and isn't coded to prioritize use of gpu's. It uses 100% of my 3570k @4.3Ghz and not even close to half of my 7950. We will have to wait until we get a proper build out to see what it actually uses resource wise.

 

Have 100% load on my 3570K AND my 7950.  Are you running the game at max settings?  I've been getting like 70-90 fps.

[zip2k4]

Have 100% load on my 3570K AND my 7950.  Are you running the game at max settings?  I've been getting like 70-90 fps.

 

a friend of mine with pretty much same specs as mine got 14 fps when she's still using 318 or something driver (nvidia)

 

then she updated to latest beta driver, her average is 140-ish fps, I ran mine on 314.22 and I get 78~ish average (all ultra ofc)

 

definitely still have a lot to do

[BlackOutCrisis]

Have 100% load on my 3570K AND my 7950.  Are you running the game at max settings?  I've been getting like 70-90 fps.

Yea I have it maxed out getting about the same fps as you, the game pretty much randomly decides how it wants to run lol

[clementk]

well i am running it at ultra at 40-60 FPS on my Laptop and "TotalBisuit" ( YouTuber) saying he gets around 60 FPS with 2x Titans so i don't know anymore lol  seems like its more about luck then specs if you can run BF4

[Tech Lover]

people  state bf4 runs better on amd its  because its designed to actually use all 8 cores ...

 

and more games are going to start using all 8 cores because the new next gen consoles like PS4 and xbox one have 8 cores in them

 

what do u guys think about this ? 

well i can tell u one thing, Frostbite has been using more cores since the beginning. it runs better with more cores and better in comparision of 4 core and core core + HT (i5s vs i7s). so its true that it would run better on amd chips. but the difference would be minimal in terms of intel 6 core chips and amd 8 core chips. because intel's chips are already much faster than amd ones. 

 

and to the dude who says it would not use mantle it WOULD! dont know why people just post shit they know exists and pretend that it does not exist. now if someone would tell me that HT is useless, or GPU boost is useless, that would be plain lie!

 

im not saying mantel would be like a game changer, it might be or it might not be. we would have to wait until the final units of R9 series comes to market.

[lachyman]

4 Intel cores > 8 AMD cores

This just means getting FX8000 makes more sense since it will be fully used, but i5 is still more powerful, not sure how's the i7 performing.

[lmao234]

4 Intel cores > 8 AMD cores

This just means getting FX8000 makes more sense since it will be fully used, but i5 is still more powerful, not sure how's the i7 performing.

Dats cos in gaming you cant utilise all cores for AMD if its above 4. I thought you knew this.

[SpenceSouth]

well i am running it at ultra at 40-60 FPS on my Laptop and "TotalBisuit" ( YouTuber) saying he gets around 60 FPS with 2x Titans so i don't know anymore lol  seems like its more about luck then specs if you can run BF4

 

He'd probably be better off with just one Titan.  I have have heard from a few people that the game doesn't seem to work well with SLI.  Not sure about CrossFire either...

[IgniteFX]

it uses all 8 threads of my 4770k 

[TechFan@ic]

Yes, future games will use 8 CPU cores as I & @Kuzma have been reporting for the past year.

This has been confirmed numerous times, through tech legends such as John Carmack, Matt Higby & the guys at EPIC.

I covered this topic numerous times :

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/10522-game-developers-choose-amd-over-intel-for-gaming/

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/42309-console-optimizations-will-boost-amd-cpu-performance-on-pc-according-to-john-carmack/
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/43230-console-optimizations-will-improve-amd-cpu-performance-in-planetside-2/

Currently the games that have been confirmed to be optimized for the AMD 8 core CPUs are :
BF4, Watchdogs, Thief & CoD Ghosts.

Publishers that have commuted to AMD's Mantle API include : EA & Activsiion.

[ariceneo]

been Playing the beta and i have 2 gtx 780s and a 4770k
settings on the 780s are 
GPU = 1025
Memory 1602
Boost = 1078
but im seeing 1170 boost in the game most the time
gpu use is about 87 -92 %
memory is about 2400mb

FPS  im geting low 60 - 150 high  avg about 100 on a 64 player map
settings are this
ultra
full screen 
1440

[Kuzma]

It does indeed, I've covered this in my thread "Console optimisations and how they will effect you" and @TechFan@ic has covered this in a few of his own threads.

[Jack.EXE]

and to the dude who says it would not use mantle it WOULD! dont know why people just post shit they know exists and pretend that it does not exist. now if someone would tell me that HT is useless, or GPU boost is useless, that would be plain lie!

 

im not saying mantel would be like a game changer, it might be or it might not be. we would have to wait until the final units of R9 series comes to market.

Read my post again. I think you missed out on THE SARCASM.

[EPSFBPMOSF]

Yes, future games will use 8 CPU cores as I & @Kuzma have been reporting for the past year.

This has been confirmed numerous times, through tech legends such as John Carmack, Matt Higby & the guys at EPIC.

I covered this topic numerous times :

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/10522-game-developers-choose-amd-over-intel-for-gaming/

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/42309-console-optimizations-will-boost-amd-cpu-performance-on-pc-according-to-john-carmack/

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/43230-console-optimizations-will-improve-amd-cpu-performance-in-planetside-2/

Currently the games that have been confirmed to be optimized for the AMD 8 core CPUs are :

BF4, Watchdogs, Thief & CoD Ghosts.

Publishers that have commuted to AMD's Mantle API include : EA & Activsiion.

So .. in the current time .. what should I buy .. 4670k, FX-6300, 8320 or 8350?

[Faa]

All games can use 8 cores, even the ones that are 15 years old.

This game doesnt take any performance advantage after 6 cores, meaning an i5 will run much better than a 8350. 
 

 

Yes, future games will use 8 CPU cores as I & @Kuzma have been reporting for the past year.

Past year? You guys are moaning this for 3 years since bulldozer came out. There's atm only one game that can take advantage of 8 cores -> Crysis 3. Not sure why youre spreading "future games will use 8cores" everywhere in this forum when every game can use 8 cores.

We haven't seen any game from the next-gen console that's taking advantage of 8 cores in a halfyear time >.<
 

Currently the games that have been confirmed to be optimized for the AMD 8 core CPUs are :

BF4, Watchdogs, Thief & CoD Ghosts.

Yeah right...



That's not "future" anymore
 

 

Have 100% load on my 3570K AND my 7950.  Are you running the game at max settings?  I've been getting like 70-90 fps.

Yeah AMD never exceeds 80%, a 3930K never exceeds 50% but they all can bottleneck at this usage.

 

[Faa]

You serious? You lose more credibility every time you post. If it doesn't support multi-core technology, you cannot force it to use more than one core. This is easy. 

More likely the opposite, I'm gaining credibility after I'm proving you wrong. First of all learn how threads & processes work. If your process contains 20 threads it means it can use 20 cores, and stop bullshitting multi-core technology. You just make more threads and thats when you can utilize more cores.

So lets start proving: http://i.imgur.com/UUMqJ8u.jpg

Now that I proved you wrong for the first time, lets move on.

 

 

Almost all benchmarks show that the 8350 and the 4670k perform identically in BF4.

Wrong again. http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2013/10/bf4/charts/bf4_cpu_gpu_t.png 30% difference

Stop looking at gpu bound aka furmark benchmarks.

 

 

No shit, tonnes of games are still stuck at single-core. Games don't suddenly use all the cores available over night. Change takes time and AMD is pushing more cores past the 4-core norm. Intel is coming out with 6-cores at consumer friendly prices soon, which will make developers look more in to increasing the core count.

 

O god. Stuff like notepad is single threaded and lets prove you for the 3rd time wrong: http://i.imgur.com/1PNivmE.jpg

 

 

As for BF4, yes, it uses all of my 8350 cores. CPU usage is about 50-60% on avg. spread throughout all the cores. 

Don't forget to mention it bottlenecks the crap out of 2 780's. 

 

[bamerx98]

I'm using a 8350 its normally around 40%-70ish% when playing bf4, but no cores are idling at all.

[Faa]

Yes, please prove me wrong by posting a screenshot of thread counts rather than core counts. Threads =/= cores. If you were to advocate technology so strongly, at least know the difference for something so basic as threads vs cores.

O really? You are confusing hardware threads with software threads. Have a nice read: http://paxcel.net/blog/hardware-threads-vs-software-threads/

 

 

Screenshot of utilization when running ARMA 2, which can only use one core. Technically, if you were correct, all the cores would have even load if it could use more than one core. Many Source based games (Half-Life 2, CSS, Team Fortress 2) lacked multi-core support before Valve ported them to the 2007 version of the engine, which introduced support for more cores.

 

You're wrong again. In your screenshot you're clearly showing that each core is busy with a thread.

 

 

 Technically, if you were correct, all the cores would have even load if it could use more than one core. Many Source based games (Half-Life 2, CSS, Team Fortress 2) lacked multi-core support before Valve ported them to the 2007 version of the engine, which introduced support for more cores.

 

Seriously learn how threads & processes work instead of making a fool out of yourself. Not every thread is equally intensive.

 

ARMA 3, which according to both Resource Monitor and Process Lasso, uses 10 threads. Yet it refuses to use all my cores. If the game engine was written to take advantage of more than just two cores, and at least done so efficiently, there would again be an even load across all cores.

Ugh people like you belong to teksyndicate's forum..

 

 

Source 1

Source 2

Source 3 (does have some fucked up numbers on W7 8350, probably anomaly)

 

Error 2: Saying I used Furmark benchmarks. I even explicitly mentioned Battlefield 4 in my post.

 

 

You fail to understand theyre gpu bound meaning that a better CPU can't make the difference, only the gpu can. Thats the same as putting a ferrari transmission on a fiat punto 1.2l and comparing it with the stock transmission when the engine is the complete bottleneck. What you're showing me is: furmark results on 3570, 4670, 6300, 3930k, 8350 etc with a gtx 780. The beta was a lot more cpu bound so lets take this one as reference: http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2013/10/bf4_beta/charts/bf4_cpu_radeon.png

The only reviewers that were claiming that the 8350 performed better than the i5 were the russians, so theyre wrong.

 

 

The GPU renders the game, the CPU takes care of all the underlying things. If the 8350 bottlenecks one 780, it will bottleneck two. Easy as that. It all depends on the game. 

 

Which is false again. Lets take this example: http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-fx-8350-vs-intel-core-i7-3770k-4-8ghz-multi-gpu-gaming-performance/17494.html

We clearly see the 8350 not bottlenecking a single 7970 but complety bottlenecking a 2nd 7970 as you see the i7 is rocking with a 100% fps difference pushing a 7970CF to its limit aka not bottlenecking.

Seriously tell me what was the point of that you replied to me if you can't even make one valid point?