OnePlus 3 leak!

[BiscuitMassacre]

25 minutes ago, Rodinski said:

• Huawei Mate 8^[84]
• Xiaomi Mi 5^[85]
• Vivo Xplay 5 / Xplay 5 Elite^[86]
• bq Aquaris X Plus
• Oppo R9 Plus^[87]
• ASUS Zenfone 3^[88]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmor

Do you think it will be better than the OnePlus 2?

[Celmor]

6 hours ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

 I also hope that has quick transfer speeds.

Hoping for NVMe...

Much rather have high IOPS than transfer speeds.

[BiscuitMassacre]

1 minute ago, Celmor said:

Hoping for NVMe...

Much rather have high IOPS than transfer speeds.

Agreed. 

[Celmor]

6 hours ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

And it should support Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0 because of that Snapdragon 820 and USB C connector.

Is it supposed to have an USB Type C connector too?

[BiscuitMassacre]

1 minute ago, Celmor said:

Is it supposed to have an USB Type C connector too?

Yes. Which is great IMO. Ofc there will be no wireless charging. I don't understand why a smaller company like OnePlus is moving toward the superior and reversible cable, but Samsung isn't. 

[Celmor]

1 hour ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

Ofc t here will be no wireless charging. I don't understand why a smaller company like OnePlus is moving toward the superior and reversible cable, but Samsung isn't. 

The OnePlus X could be easily upgraded for wireless support (uses up USB port though) if you use a cover.

I think OnePlus sees itself as more innovative and as Apple already offers Type C devices too might es well move with the industry too. Samsung on the other hand doesn't wanna lead mainstream opinion like Apple but rather follows it, a lot of accessories depend on the old connector they just wait till the connector is more mainstream till for example you can expect someone going over to his friend also expecting him to have a compatible charger (including Type C cable) already.

[Trixanity]

39 minutes ago, Celmor said:

Hoping for NVMe...

Much rather have high IOPS than transfer speeds.

For NVMe to take off in smartphones, someone has to come up with a standard and then you need someone to produce the storage solution. Right now, no one has shown off a working standard that's available. Apple has designed their own proprietary solution but no one else can use that since it isn't an approved standard and Apple has no intention of making it one. SanDisk has talked about pushing NVMe to mobile but so far I haven't seen an actual product. You can't just use standard PCIE in phones; it consumes too much power, so that's why it isn't so easy.

 

Apparently, the OnePlus 3 will use UFS which is the middle ground. It's much, much better than eMMC (which is an awful, but cheap solution). It's from what I can tell basically similar to SATA (without being SATA of course). So there are clear benefits to go for NVMe instead, even though UFS is still by far preferable to eMMC which needs to die but won't because it's so cheap so most phones even midrange territory will still use eMMC.

 

But even if we get either UFS or NVMe storage in phones, one has to design a great controller and use high quality NAND chips. I think most smartphones use the cheapest crap they can find and slap it together.

34 minutes ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

Yes. Which is great IMO. Ofc there will be no wireless charging. I don't understand why a smaller company like OnePlus is moving toward the superior and reversible cable, but Samsung isn't. 

Most rumors point to Samsung transitioning to USB-C on the next Note. And the next S will definitely make the switch. 

As for making that transition, I have heard many resisting it because they don't want new cables, so I'm guessing it's part of the reluctance on Samsung's part to switch standards. Samsung doesn't like to take risks; probably because like 50% of the time it ends up backfiring for them (speaking of consumer market specifically).

 

Also, a smaller company is usually more agile and can more easily make big changes. I mean for one thing, Samsung insists on a Home button (okay, I'll grant them that some really like it and it might help with finger print sensor integration/implementation) or their insistence on reversing the button layout of their capacitive buttons. I'm certain if they tried to move to the Android standard (back button on the left, recents button on the right), there would be outrage because of how used to that layout people are.

 

Samsung doesn't have the balls or the devoted customers (or market leadership role) to allow them to do whatever they want. They made some design choices early on and now they're stuck with them (pretty much).

Samsung does what the customers want because their customers won't tolerate them deviating or tolerate Samsung trying to decide what to do for them, whereas a company like Apple has the capacity to say stuff like "Your laptop only needs one port. Dissatisfied? You'll buy it anyway". 

[DarkBlade2117]

8 hours ago, Suika said:

I'm going to wait for reviews first, but I may let go of my Nexus 6P for one. 

I'll take that off you if you get one

[LAwLz]

1 hour ago, Rodinski said:

• Huawei Mate 8^[84]
• Xiaomi Mi 5^[85]
• Vivo Xplay 5 / Xplay 5 Elite^[86]
• bq Aquaris X Plus
• Oppo R9 Plus^[87]
• ASUS Zenfone 3^[88]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmor

There is more to a camera than just the sensor. Much more.

7 hours ago, Trixanity said:

A large battery helps, but it doesn't always result in good battery life. If the software is poorly optimized, you'll end up burning through a large battery fast anyway.

 

-Quick Charging stuff-

 

That being said, they will probably use Quick Charge. The battery life is still up in the air though.

Qualcomm's Quick Charge also goes against the USB-C standard (but as we learned from the OnePlus USB-C cable fiasco they aren't too concerned about following them).

 

1 hour ago, Celmor said:

Hoping for NVMe...

Much rather have high IOPS than transfer speeds.

The page on oppomart says it uses UFS 2.0. Even if the specs are wrong I find it very unlikely that they will go with NVMe.

 

1 hour ago, Celmor said:

The OnePlus X could be easily upgraded for wireless support (uses up USB port though).

I think OnePlus sees itself as more innovative and as Apple already offers Type C devices too might es well move with the industry too. Samsung on the other hand doesn't wanna lead mainstream opinion like Apple but rather follows it, a lot of accessories depend on the old connector they just wait till the connector is more mainstream till for example you can expect someone going over to his friend also expecting him to have a compatible charger (including Type C cable) already.

Ehm... Have you been living under a rock for the last ~5 years? Samsung are definitely "leading mainstream opinions". In fact, they seem to be just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. Last time they tried to change the connector (micro USB 3.0 on the Galaxy S 5 and Note 3) they got criticized for it.

[Celmor]

1 hour ago, Trixanity said:

But even if we get either UFS or NVMe storage in phones, one has to design a great controller and use high quality NAND chips. I think most smartphones use the cheapest crap they can find and slap it together.

One would think the premium they want you to pay for a higher storage options would pay for also a higher quality solution.

Of-course they just make these different options so they can target a broader market that want to pay less/more and they just make less profit on the option with less storage, the actuall difference for more storage it costs them is minimal (relatively to the $50/$100 premium).

[dizmo]

Hmmm, I hope the battery size is true. Most rumors so far have pointed to a 3000mah battery. If it's 3600mah I miiiiight almost consider it, depending on what Samsung does with the Note this year. If they throw in a bigger battery and Canada gets the Exynos chip, then I'm sold on that one over something with a Snapdragon.

 

Pretty uneventful year this year for phones.

 

9 hours ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

The S7 and Note 5 are large, but they are only 3000mah not 3600, the S7 Edge has 3600Mah though. If it does have a 1080p OLED screen we should expect better battery life than the S7 Edge. And it should support Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0 because of that Snapdragon 820 and USB C connector. I just hope no is going to burn up their battery because you can't replace it. 

Not necessarily, the Exynos processor is quite a bit better than the Snapdragon, and Samsungs screens don't use that much power. Sure, it might beat the US versions, but battery capacity doesn't always equate to better battery life.

8 hours ago, AlexGoesHigh said:

S7 isn't as big as this, and note series are phablet which i don't like, even the OP3 being 5.5 is stretching it for my liking so it will depend on its physical dimension to see it its not stupidly massive.

Hate to break it to you, but the OnePlus phones are basically the same size as the Note.

3 hours ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

Yes. Which is great IMO. Ofc there will be no wireless charging. I don't understand why a smaller company like OnePlus is moving toward the superior and reversible cable, but Samsung isn't. 

Pretty sure the Note will have it. I think the S7 was far enough along in design before USB C really caught on that they didn't bother changing it for that device.

2 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Also, a smaller company is usually more agile and can more easily make big changes. I mean for one thing, Samsung insists on a Home button (okay, I'll grant them that some really like it and it might help with finger print sensor integration/implementation) or their insistence on reversing the button layout of their capacitive buttons. I'm certain if they tried to move to the Android standard (back button on the left, recents button on the right), there would be outrage because of how used to that layout people are.

Samsung doesn't have the balls or the devoted customers (or market leadership role) to allow them to do whatever they want. They made some design choices early on and now they're stuck with them (pretty much).

Samsung does what the customers want because their customers won't tolerate them deviating or tolerate Samsung trying to decide what to do for them, whereas a company like Apple has the capacity to say stuff like "Your laptop only needs one port. Dissatisfied? You'll buy it anyway". 

I think they believe that the layout of the buttons is better, so they stick to it. Regardless of what people think. I mean really, that's such a stupid thing for people to bitch about. I actually think it makes more sense, as I use the back button much more often than I use the mutlitasking button.

They don't have devoted customers? You must be joking. There are tons of people that think Android IS Samsung. They have tons of followers.

They were the first company to come out with an edge display. They were the first company to have a phablet. They lead the way in many design choices.

[BiscuitMassacre]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Not necessarily, the Exynos processor is quite a bit better than the Snapdragon, and Samsungs screens don't use that much power. Sure, it might beat the US versions, but battery capacity doesn't always equate to better battery life.

 

In the US the S7 Edge uses a Snapdragon 820 just like the supposed OnePlus 3. I also think that Samsung's Layout makes a lot more sense. If I do get the OnePlus 3 I will not be happy unless I can change the layout to match Samsung Layout.

[Trixanity]

9 hours ago, dizmo said:

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They have some devoted customers but being dominant doesn't necessarily mean devotion but that you buy because of habit, because of what you perceive as the better product, because of what you're used to. Many don't look at other options, so they don't expand their horizon. 

 

I know many who bought Samsung devices as their first because they were recommended that or it was what they saw in the store. Now they're unwittingly locked in because they're now so used to Touchwiz (the horror) that they don't want to change to something unfamiliar. Some simply only know Samsung, as you yourself say, as being Android and even if they spot another device maker, they ignore it or write it off as inferior or a knock off. That's a huge problem in the Android market.

 

I'll coin the term now: Nokia syndrome. So many users, both pre-smartphone era and actually also post era, stick to Nokia feature/flip phones because they're familiar with it and know how to use it reasonably well, so they don't want to switch away from a known quantity. The same has happened with Samsung in the Android market. Of course there is more to it but their continued success rode somewhat on the users restricting themselves to devices that they know. Not to discredit their accomplishments but it is a large factor in decision making, particularly among the tech illiterate of which the majority are. 

 

What you're describing as leadership is not in their phone business (aka consumer market) but their other departments such as Samsung Semiconductor, Samsung Display etc. Much of their tech trickle down to their phones but they're not a cohesive unit as you may think. Often, it seems like Samsung's devices business just takes whatever comes out of their great R&D and runs with it whilst not really having any vision of what to do with the technology. For example the first Edge devices were an awful gimmick. 

 

In what way is Exynos better? I think your fascination is misplaced. The Snapdragon generally performs better overall. The current flagship Exynos has slightly better battery life and I believe better MT scores (due to the 8 cores), however if I recall the Snapdragon has better ST performance, far superior GPU and better developer support across the board.

 

Previously we saw Exynos lead because of manufacturing process or other advantages. Samsung has a lot of work to do if they want to the best choice. Their Mongoose cores need work. They need either some GPU IP or implement even bigger Mali chips than they currently do, although Samsung is at least not as backwards as say Huawei in that department. I can't remember what and how well their modems are but Qualcomm has so far been the leader in modem integration. 

[BiscuitMassacre]

1 hour ago, Trixanity said:

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Wow, you just made any Samsung fanboy cry. xD. I agree, I believe Snapdragon is better, I would opt for Snapdragon any day over Exynos, and a lot of you said was true. I don't think you are giving Samsung enough credit, I usually prefer Samsung devices. They get a lot right, but they also get a lot wrong. The S6 Series IMO was a complete fail because of the lack of an SD Card and that stupid glass back that can easily be broken. Paying $700+ you should expect more than that. S7 is getting a little better, but I don't think Samsung ever made the perfect smartphone. The two phones I am debating on which to get are the Note 4 and the OP3. The Note 4 is how I wished Samsung made phones now, SD card, removable battery, Metal frame with a non glass back, and I just like the whole phone. I don't understand why everyone hates on Touchwiz. Yes it is annoying and I would prefer it be closer to stock, but there are a lot of cool features in it, that most phones just don't have. Like Split-screen, or the Windowed apps like you see in the Note Series, there is the power saving, Ultra power saving, and much others. You can cover up the home with Google Now launcher and an Icon pack, so the only thing I can see that people hate it is the notification slider and the confusingly bad settings. IMO, if a phone had TouchWiz, I wouldn't like it, but it sure wouldn't be the thing that causes me to not by that phone. Right now I am just waiting for the OnePlus 3 to be released so I can see the official specs, and how high the price is. Then I will make my decision on whether to buy the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 or OnePlus 3.

[LAwLz]

1 hour ago, Trixanity said:

In what way is Exynos better? I think your fascination is misplaced. The Snapdragon generally performs better overall. The current flagship Exynos has slightly better battery life and I believe better MT scores (due to the 8 cores), however if I recall the Snapdragon has better ST performance, far superior GPU and better developer support across the board.

 

Previously we saw Exynos lead because of manufacturing process or other advantages. Samsung has a lot of work to do if they want to the best choice. Their Mongoose cores need work. They need either some GPU IP or implement even bigger Mali chips than they currently do, although Samsung is at least not as backwards as say Huawei in that department. I can't remember what and how well their modems are but Qualcomm has so far been the leader in modem integration. 

Mongoose is very close to Kryo in terms of single core performance.

In Geekbench's single-core performance test Kryo has a ~9% lead.

In multi-core score the Exynos has a ~22% lead.

 

Considering how well Android apps scales with cores, I would gladly take that extra 22% multi-threading performance.

 

The GPU is by no means "far superior" in the Snapdragon. It is better, but the lead is not that big. It's something like 10%.

 

Samsung's modem is on par with the one in the Snapdragon 820 (cat 12/13).

[Trixanity]

51 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Mongoose is very close to Kryo in terms of single core performance.

In Geekbench's single-core performance test Kryo has a ~9% lead.

In multi-core score the Exynos has a ~22% lead.

 

Considering how well Android apps scales with cores, I would gladly take that extra 22% multi-threading performance.

 

The GPU is by no means "far superior" in the Snapdragon. It is better, but the lead is not that big. It's something like 10%.

 

Samsung's modem is on par with the one in the Snapdragon 820 (cat 12/13).

Is Samsung's modem integrated and how well does it perform? How is its power consumption? That's typically where Qualcomm beats the rest. 

 

As for who leads in what. It depends; in some benchmarks the Adreno simply rushes ahead. Maybe that'll change with ARM's latest Mali GX71. 

 

Single threaded performance will still be a very important factor despite the otherwise surprisingly decent scaling of cores on Android. Snapdragon does have a lead; if I recall the 9% you quote is best case scenario for the Exynos. 

 

What will be interesting is how things will turn out next year. Mongoose and Kryo are both brand new and could probably use some tweaks. 

1 hour ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

Wow, you just made any Samsung fanboy cry. xD. I agree, I believe Snapdragon is better, I would opt for Snapdragon any day over Exynos, and a lot of you said was true. I don't think you are giving Samsung enough credit, I usually prefer Samsung devices. They get a lot right, but they also get a lot wrong. The S6 Series IMO was a complete fail because of the lack of an SD Card and that stupid glass back that can easily be broken. Paying $700+ you should expect more than that. S7 is getting a little better, but I don't think Samsung ever made the perfect smartphone. The two phones I am debating on which to get are the Note 4 and the OP3. The Note 4 is how I wished Samsung made phones now, SD card, removable battery, Metal frame with a non glass back, and I just like the whole phone. I don't understand why everyone hates on Touchwiz. Yes it is annoying and I would prefer it be closer to stock, but there are a lot of cool features in it, that most phones just don't have. Like Split-screen, or the Windowed apps like you see in the Note Series, there is the power saving, Ultra power saving, and much others. You can cover up the home with Google Now launcher and an Icon pack, so the only thing I can see that people hate it is the notification slider and the confusingly bad settings. IMO, if a phone had TouchWiz, I wouldn't like it, but it sure wouldn't be the thing that causes me to not by that phone. Right now I am just waiting for the OnePlus 3 to be released so I can see the official specs, and how high the price is. Then I will make my decision on whether to buy the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 or OnePlus 3.

You're merely confirming what I'm saying. Samsung makes changes and are forced to back-pedal on it the year after. They tried to follow Apple down the rabbit hole with thin devices with small batteries and premium uni-body with integrated battery and no SD card. 

The year after they thicken the device to boost battery size and add an SD card slot. They often seem clueless of what direction to take and that's not a good thing. S5 had a heart rate sensor on the back - I mean wtf? How is that supposed to be a good idea? You mention the Note 4 with the faux stitching design which they dropped very quickly. 

 

Don't get me wrong. Samsung has done some good things, even pioneered features. Although some of the features have been half baked. 

 

But Touchwiz is an abomination still. They're trying to fix it but it seems like it's an impossible task to do. While the design language haven't been great, it's not just that which annoys people. It slows the device down and it has horrible RAM management. I've seen videos of how it is impossible to multi task because it kills apps quickly despite having 3-4 GB RAM. 

 

It's good to do your own thing if it's better than what it replaces. But Touchwiz takes one step to the side and two steps back. If you don't know how to improve a thing, then don't change it.

 

HTC have gotten a lot right with their implementation (although there are some blunders as well; most of them fixable through mods from what I've been told). Sony is also fairly good at making unobtrusive customization.

 

But no company really gets it completely right, unfortunately.  

[LAwLz]

7 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Is Samsung's modem integrated and how well does it perform? How is its power consumption? That's typically where Qualcomm beats the rest. 

Yes it's integrated.

Performance is very good. On par with the X12 from Qualcomm from what I've seen/heard.

Don't know about power consumption. It's just too hard to measure that. If I am reading GSMArena's test correctly, then the Exynos version has much better battery life (98h vs 87h). That's assuming that the (USA) version is Snapdragon, and non-USA version is Exynos.

 

 

7 hours ago, Trixanity said:

As for who leads in what. It depends; in some benchmarks the Adreno simply rushes ahead. Maybe that'll change with ARM's latest Mali GX71. 

Got any examples?

 

GFX Benchmark 3.1 (Manhattan at 1080p):

S820 10% faster

 

GFX Benchmark T-Rex:

Exactly the same

 

Basemark X

S820 13% faster

 

Basemark ES 3.1

Exynos 17% faster

 

 

7 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Single threaded performance will still be a very important factor despite the otherwise surprisingly decent scaling of cores on Android. Snapdragon does have a lead; if I recall the 9% you quote is best case scenario for the Exynos. 

Well my numbers are from GeekBench. It tests a wide variety of things so I don't think it is fair calling it "best case scenario". It's probably more accurate to call it 9% on average. Might be a smaller difference in some things, and a bigger difference in other.

 

8 hours ago, Trixanity said:

I've seen videos of how it is impossible to multi task because it kills apps quickly despite having 3-4 GB RAM. 

That was a glitch (I don't think it was intended at least) in the Galaxy S6. It is no longer the case with the S7.

[Trixanity]

10 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Yes it's integrated.

Performance is very good. On par with the X12 from Qualcomm from what I've seen/heard.

Don't know about power consumption. It's just too hard to measure that. If I am reading GSMArena's test correctly, then the Exynos version has much better battery life (98h vs 87h). That's assuming that the (USA) version is Snapdragon, and non-USA version is Exynos.

 

 

Got any examples?

 

GFX Benchmark 3.1 (Manhattan at 1080p):

S820 10% faster

 

GFX Benchmark T-Rex:

Exactly the same

 

Basemark X

S820 13% faster

 

Basemark ES 3.1

Exynos 17% faster

 

 

Well my numbers are from GeekBench. It tests a wide variety of things so I don't think it is fair calling it "best case scenario". It's probably more accurate to call it 9% on average. Might be a smaller difference in some things, and a bigger difference in other.

 

That was a glitch (I don't think it was intended at least) in the Galaxy S6. It is no longer the case with the S7.

Thumbs up for the clarification on the modem.

Yeah, it's only US and China that gets Snapdragon because apparently Exynos models don't support CDMA.

 

I don't recall percentages but it seems that Adreno wins in the majority of benchmarks. Some by a small lead, others bigger. Please note I never meant to imply that it was 50% faster or anything like that but it does appear to be faster in most scenarios. There are also some benchmarks which the Exynos wins. So I would call that full disclosure. Samsung does use a Mali T-880MP12 configuration which is much more than any other Mali implementation and I commend them for it. Huawei employs like MP2 and MP4 in theirs which is utter bullshit if you ask me. It makes the GPU so weak. However, the T-880 does go up to MP16, so I do think they should have tried for that if possible and maybe dialed clocks back assuming Android GPU workloads scale better with more cores (which it usually does) than clock speed.

The next Mali apparently goes up to 32, but I'm not sure if they can fit that in a smartphone SoC. Perhaps 16 doesn't either. Haven't seen any implementations of a 'full' chip, so I wouldn't know.

 

Glitch? Well, yeah I suppose you could call aggressive memory purging that. I mean it is not a hardware problem to begin with and could easily be fixed with a software update.