High-end Desktop

[stanzlavos]

Hi All

Actually, the spec below was finalized after lot of discussion here as well as other forums.  I had postponed the build after many adviced to wait for the 6800K / GTX 1080. Anyhow, need a final few inputs and am ready to order. 

 

Use : Gaming of course. Photo editing. Intensive Matlab programs. 

Intel 3.3 Ghz LGA 2011 i7 5820K

Asus RAMPAGE V EXTREME Motherboard
- I love the motherboard.  Anyhow, any good replacement option?  Need to be red+black (or full black I guess). WiFi, decent sound, decent fan cntrl system. Should be OC friendly. 

G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4 F4-2666C15Q-32GVR 32GB (4 x 8GB) (Red)
- Might get 3200 if available

Asus Strix GTX1080
- As of now I am sticking with the Asus Strix O8G. Does it make sense for an EVGA SC version or the MSI gaming Z version ? I am not sure if they can provide much of a significant improvement.

Corsair Graphite Series Black ATX 780T Full Tower

Corsair RM1000x 1000W 80 Plus
- Some confusion regarding the 8 pin connectors. If OK, will go with the 750W one.

WD Black WD4003FZEX 4TB
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD
Samsung 850 EVO 120GB SSD

 - Will most most probably get only the 500GB SSD.

Deepcool Gamer Storm Captain 360 AIO CPU Cooler
- decent one ? And if I use this, I would still get one bay for an optical drive right ?

Asus MG279Q

Asus PG279Q

Acer XB270HU
-  I am unsure about a TN panel (unless someone can put forward compelling reasons for it). So maybe lower priority for the PG278Q. The MG279Q was what i had shortlisted for my build. If G-Sync is not going to benefit much, I'd like to stick to it. But as I understood, at lower frame rates, G-Sync could be very much handy. So, maybe a bit in the future, when games become more demanding and my FPS starts to drop, G-Sync would play an important role ? Then, it boils down to the Asus PG279Q and the Acer XB270HU. I did see very good reviews about the Acer and being the lower priced one, I am inclined towards it. Ideas ?

Regards
Nubin Stanley

[Dzzope]

If your just gaming go z170 and 6700k, you don't need the extra cores and the 6700 (skylake chips) are better clocking, more efficient and better ipc (instructions per clcok)

 

Is this a purely gaming rig?

 

It looks more like a pro editing build. No need for 32GB ram, 6 cores, 2 different sized ssd (like 1 for scratch disk) and fast expensive media drive too. you could also do better value on the PSU by a margin. Not to mention the motherboard.

 

That should free up enough budget for a g-sync monitor too.

[TrigrH]

the Evga FTW GTX1080 is faster than the strix from the limited to non existent information we have so far.

[ohitsluca]

Agree with 2 posts above, if it is for gaming you could just go with a 6700k/16GB ram/650w PSU and then get a better monitor. Also, why do you need the 120GB SSD? why not just the 500GB SSD for boot/games and the 4TB for storage?

[stanzlavos]

49 minutes ago, Dzzope said:

If your just gaming go z170 and 6700k, you don't need the extra cores and the 6700 (skylake chips) are better clocking, more efficient and better ipc (instructions per clcok)

 

Is this a purely gaming rig?

 

It looks more like a pro editing build. No need for 32GB ram, 6 cores, 2 different sized ssd (like 1 for scratch disk) and fast expensive media drive too. you could also do better value on the PSU by a margin. Not to mention the motherboard.

 

That should free up enough budget for a g-sync monitor too.

1) Not a pure gaming rig. I do a lot of photo editing (focus stacking apps are quite demanding) and also would need to run some intensive Matlab programs.

 

2) I wanted to run the OS from the smaller SSD. All apps and games to the second one. I guess I could stick to a single 500GB SSD and put in that money towards a better display. The MG279Q is priced around 54K INR. The ROG SWIFT PG279Q would cost around 74K. ROG SWIFT PG278Q sounds good. I could get it for 62K ?

 

3) I would wanna keep the RAM. I actually camedown from 64GB.

 

4) I love the looks of the Ranoage V Extreme. And I read very good reviews when it comes to overclcoking. Well, I would like to keep it. But if there better ones(price wise as well), do suggest.

 

5) I had checked the prices. Saving I can get from the PSU is negligible.

[stanzlavos]

1 hour ago, TrigrH said:

the Evga FTW GTX1080 is faster than the strix from the limited to non existent information we have so far.

Will it bring in that much of an improvement ? I havebeen waiting for a looooong time....

 

If the Asus Strix version is a decent card, I might as well order it.

[Dzzope]

Ok, more to work with.. and explains the choices much better too.

 

Obviously you know your market better than me.. but if you can find an EVGA b2,G2,P2,GQ,GS units, they are ususaly great and cheap in comparrison to Corsair.. Also seasonic, FSP, Superflower, xfx, to name a few can have very good - excellent performance and Usually cheaper in many markets.

 

The motherboard.. again, you know your market. It's a bit overkill on price and the limiting factor on overclocking this rig will be the CPU not the board / psu.

 

Otherwise, you answered all the questions I had around the choices very well, you should be golden

 

[Dzzope]

3 minutes ago, stanzlavos said:

Will it bring in that much of an improvement ? I havebeen waiting for a looooong time....

 

If the Asus Strix version is a decent card, I might as well order it.

They will all be decent.. But the Sea-Hawk from MSI / Corsair is gonna be a lil more than the FE and clocked at ~1900 (I've heard, not confirmed) and they are promising to be at market within 2 weeks.

[TrigrH]

27 minutes ago, stanzlavos said:

Will it bring in that much of an improvement ? I havebeen waiting for a looooong time....

 

If the Asus Strix version is a decent card, I might as well order it.

u can order it now: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1257992-REG/evga_08g_p4_6286_kr_geforce_gtx_1080_ftw.html

 

[stanzlavos]

36 minutes ago, Dzzope said:

They will all be decent.. But the Sea-Hawk from MSI / Corsair is gonna be a lil more than the FE and clocked at ~1900 (I've heard, not confirmed) and they are promising to be at market within 2 weeks.

The boost block for the strix version is already 1900+ ? And as I understand, I don't think we are gonna much out of these cards by overclocking. So, will it actually help if I wait ? That is the question.  If all are going to be of comparable performance, I might as well order what is available in my country right now.

[stanzlavos]

18 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

u can order it now: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1257992-REG/evga_08g_p4_6286_kr_geforce_gtx_1080_ftw.html

 

Well, I will not buy that !!! I will buy it at a much steeper price from India.

[Dzzope]

Go check out some water cooled 1080 reviews or oc posts.. looks like there is head-room with better cooling.. just depends how effective the cooler is.

 

So even if you don't go for an aio equipped card, cooling performance will be useful to know before buying. Though I think most all custom cooled cards will be decent this time round.

[stanzlavos]

50 minutes ago, Dzzope said:

Ok, more to work with.. and explains the choices much better too.

 

Obviously you know your market better than me.. but if you can find an EVGA b2,G2,P2,GQ,GS units, they are ususaly great and cheap in comparrison to Corsair.. Also seasonic, FSP, Superflower, xfx, to name a few can have very good - excellent performance and Usually cheaper in many markets.

 

The motherboard.. again, you know your market. It's a bit overkill on price and the limiting factor on overclocking this rig will be the CPU not the board / psu.

 

Otherwise, you answered all the questions I had around the choices very well, you should be golden

 

 

1) OK, lemme check out a few more PSUs. But I doubt if I'd be able to save anything out of it. I'd like to keep it around 850/1000W - maybe SLI in future. I don't want to change the PSU at a later point in time. That's all.

 

2) I can definitely save some from the Mobo.  Please do suggest something that offers comparable performance (deluxe ? pro ?). I would love it, if it looked AWESOME as well.

 

3) Is gsync that important ?  I mean, when the games are running say 60FPS+ on a 120/144Hz display, will gsync offer a significant improvement to justify that price tag ?

 

4) Inputs on the other queries are welcome as well ;). 6800K ? 2666 or 2800 RAM ?

[Dzzope]

Gsync, it depends on the game, setting and res. Also as the system ages you'll have to either upgrade or go dual cards to keep up with the latest releases if maxing the settings is your thing. gsync will make a difference in any title that pushes you into it's operating range. Up to you if you need it. but you are right in thinking lower frames gains more from it.

 

A 650W GOOD, psu should be enough for sli 1080's and a 6800.. so a 750 / 850 watt unit will give you nice head room. If you can find something thats better value.

 

6800k is good but not worth it if it comes at a significant premium over the 5820k.. I'd go higher end 5xxx chip for the extra pci-e lanes before spending (much, over $20 or so) for the 6800k which gives some benefits but not enough IMO.

 

Ram, make sure your getting as good a price-speed, cas latency look combination you can... don't spend much over the basic for anything.. it gives some performance benifits in some applications.. but it's not big to spend much and you can always oc the ram too.

[stanzlavos]

1 hour ago, Dzzope said:

Gsync, it depends on the game, setting and res. Also as the system ages you'll have to either upgrade or go dual cards to keep up with the latest releases if maxing the settings is your thing. gsync will make a difference in any title that pushes you into it's operating range. Up to you if you need it. but you are right in thinking lower frames gains more from it.

 

A 650W GOOD, psu should be enough for sli 1080's and a 6800.. so a 750 / 850 watt unit will give you nice head room. If you can find something thats better value.

 

6800k is good but not worth it if it comes at a significant premium over the 5820k.. I'd go higher end 5xxx chip for the extra pci-e lanes before spending (much, over $20 or so) for the 6800k which gives some benefits but not enough IMO.

 

Ram, make sure your getting as good a price-speed, cas latency look combination you can... don't spend much over the basic for anything.. it gives some performance benifits in some applications.. but it's not big to spend much and you can always oc the ram too.

1) Moving forward yes, I'd most probbably start getting lower FPSs as games improve. Maybe gsync will be of help then. I did see a Benq that supports gsync, but it was up for pre-order (dont knw when they would ship) and it was smaller at 24".

 

2) How about the Corsair RM750x ? But if I remember correctly, there was not much of a price difference. Lemme do some more research. 

 

3) As I said, 29K for the 5820K and 35K for the 6800K. Blindly doing a conversion, thats a difference of around 100USD. Actually I had opted for the 5930K and after many suggestions I moved to the 5820K. I guess the max I'd go is two was SLI. So, 5820K should be more than enough ? So that leaves 5930K out of the picture. What is left in my budget is the new 6800K. Well, if the improvement justifies the extra 100USD, I don't mind putting in that money. But I did read at a few places that it doesn't overclock as well as the 5820K. If thats true, I should just stick to the 5820K ?

 

4) The Gskill Ripjaws V seemed to be a good buy. Please do suggest if there is something else in the same price range.

[Dzzope]

You seem well enough informed to make final choices yourself of where to invest and where you can cut.

 

1 thing to keep in mind with the 6800or 5820 is the pci-e lanes. 28 vs 40.

 

While thats plenty for SLI, if you have storage or connectivity that also use it, it "can" become a bit of a bottleneck.. but really should only show up under extreme load situations or synthetic tests.. Not something I'm fully up-to-date on developments in ssd's and with the kind of throughput that a 1080 can achieve and the whole state of the x99 platform which I know some manufacturers are putting extra features not included in the chipset through the pci bus taking up more lanes.. As I said, look into it yourself, I'm sure you can find benchmarks/video's/articles for this 

 

If you can't save, it's a  good psu. Just not worth spend more for than the other options in it's performance range / your requirements.

 

Ram.. really just buy to suit aesthetic and get as fast mhz with lowest cas latency (cl rating) you can, again without paying much of a premium for it. These days, ram is pretty much ram. unless your talking ecc or non ecc which your not interested in (server stuff)

[stanzlavos]

6 minutes ago, Dzzope said:

You seem well enough informed to make final choices yourself of where to invest and where you can cut.

 

1 thing to keep in mind with the 6800or 5820 is the pci-e lanes. 28 vs 40.

 

While thats plenty for SLI, if you have storage or connectivity that also use it, it "can" become a bit of a bottleneck.. but really should only show up under extreme load situations or synthetic tests.. But something to investigate to see if it will affect you so you have all the info in order to make the best decision or if it would affect your type of workload significantly or at all.

Mmmmm... will keep that in mind.

[Dzzope]

1 minute ago, stanzlavos said:

Mmmmm... will keep that in mind.

edited my post.

[Dzzope]

Ohh, and on that point, if you decide PCI-e lanes are something you'd like to address but not spend as much as a 40 lane equipped chips, then a board with a plx chip might be your thing. Just in-case you weren't aware of them.. One more thing to look up

 

I'd make a great teacher setting all this homework  

[Matias_Chambers]

Budget?

[stanzlavos]

1 hour ago, Dzzope said:

Ohh, and on that point, if you decide PCI-e lanes are something you'd like to address but not spend as much as a 40 lane equipped chips, then a board with a plx chip might be your thing. Just in-case you weren't aware of them.. One more thing to look up

 

I'd make a great teacher setting all this homework  

[stanzlavos]

1 hour ago, Matias_Chambers said:

Budget?

Its around 250K INR (have already crossed this as of now). Blindly converting, it would to around 3700 USD.

 

When compared to the US, stuff are costlier in India !!!

[Matias_Chambers]

Would you rather have a 4K monitor or a high refresh rate monitor?

[Matias_Chambers]

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/zMKWGf

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Dzzope said:

You seem well enough informed to make final choices yourself of where to invest and where you can cut.

 

1 thing to keep in mind with the 6800or 5820 is the pci-e lanes. 28 vs 40.

 

While thats plenty for SLI, if you have storage or connectivity that also use it, it "can" become a bit of a bottleneck.. but really should only show up under extreme load situations or synthetic tests.. Not something I'm fully up-to-date on developments in ssd's and with the kind of throughput that a 1080 can achieve and the whole state of the x99 platform which I know some manufacturers are putting extra features not included in the chipset through the pci bus taking up more lanes.. As I said, look into it yourself, I'm sure you can find benchmarks/video's/articles for this 

 

If you can't save, it's a  good psu. Just not worth spend more for than the other options in it's performance range / your requirements.

 

Ram.. really just buy to suit aesthetic and get as fast mhz with lowest cas latency (cl rating) you can, again without paying much of a premium for it. These days, ram is pretty much ram. unless your talking ecc or non ecc which your not interested in (server stuff)

The 6800 and 5820 both have 28 pcie lanes.