Ugh... Mac problems...

[DaftBehemoth]

So I'm setting up a Mac and before I can send this out to the user, I need to run updates. However, Apple implemented a completely ludicrous system in that you must have an Apple ID and a connection to the App Store to simply update your system... well now their App Store won't load on the computer (with a working ethernet connection) and I'm stuck until the App store is fixed.

 

Is there a way to disable this App Store update system and go back to the normal updater from 10.7? I know there's a way to force updates through the terminal, but that just seems stupid to me. 

 

Yay Macs...

[Sarcasm]

So I'm setting up a Mac 

Found your problem.

 

 

 

In all seriousness, I think you might just have to wait it out. Apple really doesn't like you fucking with their proprietary everything.

[DaftBehemoth]

Found your problem.

That was a known issue that we're trying to work past.

[wtfxmitchell]

got to macdonalds, maybe they can fix it

[Sarcasm]

That was a known issue that we're trying to work past.

Have you attempted satanic rituals? I hear they do interesting things when troubleshooting inside a pentagram drawn from a virgin goat's blood...

[Lord Pantaloons]

got to macdonalds, maybe they can fix it

Slap yourself now

 

@OP

also I can't help here but when I read your post all I could think of was some dumb person at a book store reciting to me that Mac's never have problems because Apple makes them and how much I wanted to hit them with the PCGamer magazine I was reading in the hope that it would either kill them or impart some knowledge of how stupid what they just said was.

[Godlygamer23]

Try this: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-57515472-263/how-to-apply-os-x-software-updates-from-the-command-line/

[Darren]

All I read was a massive circlejerk. Man, it's like they're trying to bind a software license to a particular account. Sounds like something that Valve do with Steam, or am I wrong?

[TideRower]

You can download the update from apples website without using an ID:

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1676

[DaftBehemoth]

Try this: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-57515472-263/how-to-apply-os-x-software-updates-from-the-command-line/

Yes that will work. I was just hoping for a more elegant solution than the terminal... a simple rollback to how it worked in 10.7 would be great.

 

All I read was a massive circlejerk. Man, it's like they're trying to bind a software license to a particular account. Sounds like something that Valve do with Steam, or am I wrong?

That's essentially what it is. It's just worse because it's something they just implemented instead of something you'd sign up for at the start (such as Steam).

 

You can download the update from apples website without using an ID:

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1676

I'll check if that site is up the next time the app store fails on me.

[Osprey]

... Windows update is not exactly... different. You still need credentials (albeit a serial number), and if their servers go down you still will be unable to download updates. To those being smartasses, from a seasoned programmer's POV (Linux is my primary) OS X is not as 'hurr durr' as you think. In fact, it's quite similar fundamentally to NT. Both are hybrid kernels, combining concepts of a microkernel with a monolithic kernel. The biggest problem with OS X is it's OpenGL support is hilariously bad. With Mavericks it's getting 4.1 which is still old, which means that it's definitely not a gamer's OS. So stop with this 'Mac's suck' thing and get with reality.

 

On topic: what tiderower said worked for me

[DaftBehemoth]

... Windows update is not exactly... different. You still need credentials (albeit a serial number), and if their servers go down you still will be unable to download updates. To those being smartasses, from a seasoned programmer's POV (Linux is my primary) OS X is not as 'hurr durr' as you think. In fact, it's quite similar fundamentally to NT. Both are hybrid kernels, combining concepts of a microkernel with a monolithic kernel. The biggest problem with OS X is it's OpenGL support is hilariously bad. With Mavericks it's getting 4.1 which is still old, which means that it's definitely not a gamer's OS. So stop with this 'Mac's suck' thing and get with reality.

 

On topic: what tiderower said worked for me

It's kind of a stretch to say that a serial number that's provided with your copy of Windows is all that similar to an Apple ID (especially in the Enterprise environment I work in). I've never had Windows open a store as soon as it starts, and try to sell me something. I would agree with you also on the server part... if the Windows update server had ever died on me a single time in the last seven years. This App Store problem has already delayed me by a full day on two separate occasions in the last month. This may not be a huge deal for the average user, but it's my responsibility to get these Macs updated and ready to go for my users on campus, so any random delay can make me look bad.

[Darren]

Yes that will work. I was just hoping for a more elegant solution than the terminal... a simple rollback to how it worked in 10.7 would be great.

 

That's essentially what it is. It's just worse because it's something they just implemented instead of something you'd sign up for at the start (such as Steam).

Now that I realise you're someone working in an enterprise environment and essentially provision these for other people, I see why it's a problem. Don't see why you're whining about using Terminal though. If I can whack out three words instead of opening a program, waiting for a page to load etc. I'd always use the Terminal.

[DaftBehemoth]

Now that I realise you're someone working in an enterprise environment and essentially provision these for other people, I see why it's a problem. Don't see why you're whining about using Terminal though. If I can whack out three words instead of opening a program, waiting for a page to load etc. I'd always use the Terminal.

When you support literally thousands of computers, suddenly writing a few lines into a terminal becomes much more of a hassle than clicking twice in the old way of checking for updates.

[Darren]

When you support literally thousands of computers, suddenly writing a few lines into a terminal becomes much more of a hassle than clicking twice in the old way of checking for updates.

 

Four words. Not lines, words. How is this a hassle? You have a single computer, a quick Google and four words later, problem solved. I'd be surprised if it'd take more than a minute. I think you're making this seem like a larger problem than it actually is lol. This is like me complaining that I have to run two commands instead of one to boot our provisioning VMs.

[DaftBehemoth]

Four words. Not lines, words. How is this a hassle? You have a single computer, a quick Google and four words later, problem solved. I'd be surprised if it'd take more than a minute. I think you're making this seem like a larger problem than it actually is lol. This is like me complaining that I have to run two commands instead of one to boot our provisioning VMs.

Well we're just going to have to agree to disagree. If you don't mind typing in the terminal to access the most basic of features, that's fine. It's still going to bother me though. Especially when I finally get a call from one of the 70+ year old foreign professors who are completely computer illiterate who suddenly MUST have an update when the app store is down.... and they're in Australia...