AMD real talk

[Ryoutarou97]

1 minute ago, Prysin said:

i think it is unused, because the "conditions" arent met.

-snip-

Actually, I have a 5.1 setup in my living room. Personal friends are all console gamers and I say mean things to them. I can see why people don't bother to support it though.

 

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

The reason why I say it should be scrapped is because it doesn't make sense from a business perspective. It just doesn't make sense to launch it anymore since there won't be much of a profit to be made from it.

Why not? The 295x2 is still relevant, and if there are extra fiji chips (doubt there are too many after launch) the 400 series will have made the single card versions of them obsolete. Dual card versions at a low price point will at least help you sell them off. Dunno why they haven't released them yet though.  I can, however, understand the concern of launching what will then be a last gen card with next gen. Plus OEMs might buy it.

[Prysin]

Just now, Ryoutarou97 said:

Actually, I have a 5.1 setup in my living room. Personal friends are all console gamers and I say mean things to them. I can see why people don't bother to support it though.

 

Why not? The 295x2 is still relevant, and if there are extra fiji chips (doubt there are too many after launch) the 400 series will have made the single card versions of them obsolete. Dual card versions at a low price point will at least help you sell them off. Dunno why they haven't released them yet though.  I can, however, understand the concern of launching what will then be a last gen card with next gen. Plus OEMs might buy it.

in your living room, yes.

but what about your desktop PC?

[ivan134]

3 minutes ago, Prysin said:

it will. OEM VR systems would boom with that thing. "Most powerful VR machine on the market" "unrivaled VR performance for the price"...

 

it would be true though....

 

however the standalone cards...enthusiasts would shun them like the plague.

Oh yea, forgot that was a thing now. I'll wait to see how that pans out. That bright red case is a not a good starting point though. AMD still has a huge marketing issue and that's one of them.

[Prysin]

7 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Oh yea, forgot that was a thing now. I'll wait to see how that pans out. That bright red case is a not a good starting point though. AMD still has a huge marketing issue and that's one of them.

`thats a devkit....

 

 

Honestly though, imagine one of these:

 

or something similar with a Fury X2 in it....

or rather... imagine a small mATX "LAN" system...

as a OEM solution that is..

[Gikero]

3 hours ago, Flowey said:

is that SHODAN by the way?

Aye Sir, it is.

[Ryoutarou97]

14 minutes ago, Prysin said:

in your living room, yes.

but what about your desktop PC?

I actually often carry down my PC to the living room on weekends, but I highly doubt that's the case for everyone so... yeah. I get it now.

[royalcrown]

Hi Flowey,

AMD isn't really too behind with their GPUs as far as the performance we get. While their manufacturing process is a little behind, their performance is going to be great.

 

They are using a worse manufacturing process than Nvidia for Maxwell based GPUs so they have to push the chip voltage higher to get decent clocks,this makes them hot. They do this as a blanket policy though and don't have time to tweak each chip as good as it can be, so some cards can have the voltage lowered and keep the same clock speeds. The under volted cards run pretty cool and are much better on power, I'll try to find a link.

 

Another reason they are "behind" is that they went hardware heavy in general, they made the decision to make a great all around card hardware wise; Nvidia went the way of making their hardware really powerful but optimized hardware for DX 10 - 11. They added more hardware that would help with that and cut hardware other places. With DX 12 (so far) AMD is using the hardware they have to a better extent while AMD cant because it's not there. 

 

This is why AMD is doing so good in the preliminary benchmarks that are 12 based.

 

As far as CPU's they are just too far behind to catch up, I don't even think Zen will do it. They may close the gap a lot, but it's not going to beat Intel Sky lake or Kaby lake. Just my 2 cents. Intel has hit a performance wall though and AMD might be able to pretty much catch up on the desktop with Intels tiny 100 mhz speed bumps. Just my 2 cents.

 

Under volting, hate to link to Tom's ...lol

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-afterburner-undervolt-radeon-r9-fury,4425.html

 

[Gikero]

2 hours ago, branden_lucero said:

2 hours ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

 

Always the best decision in my opinion(assuming the software/drivers are up to par).

 

I just thought it was strange that nobody mentioned anything about the difference in release dates between AMD and Nvidia's cards whether it be in AMD or Nvidia's favor.

 

 

i still have a Pentium 4 by itself, clocked at 3.0 GHz. i kept it from work.  few bent pins, but i'm sure i can fix that. we had a couple of 3.2GHz ones and i think there was even one of the rarer 3.4GHz (775 socket), which i wish i had kept as well.

I have a literal stack of Pentium D 820s (LGA 775 and were basically 2 P4 cores shoehorned into a single package). At least 6, possibly 10. I thought about drilling into them and making some SA-WEET keychains.

I know I have a few earlier P4 CPUs, but didn't keep most as I had no PGA478 motherboards that supported DDR2 at the time.

[royalcrown]

1 minute ago, Gikero said:

I have a literal stack of Pentium D 820s (LGA 775 and were basically 2 P4 cores shoehorned into a single package). At least 6, possibly 10. I thought about drilling into them and making some SA-WEET keychains.

I know I have a few earlier P4 CPUs, but didn't keep most as I had no PGA478 motherboards that supported DDR2 at the time.

Sell that stack on ebay for people that like old rigs, there are lots of collectors !

 

[Gikero]

8 minutes ago, royalcrown said:

Sell that stack on ebay for people that like old rigs, there are lots of collectors !

 

I have a decent collection myself, my oldest CPUs are Intel 486/486DX(s). I love old hardware.

[royalcrown]

1 minute ago, Gikero said:

I have a decent collection myself, my oldest CPUs are Intel 486/486DX(s). I love old hardware.

Yeah i miss my first Pc's C64 and IBM 486- SLC - 66 with extra sram and a 80387 co processor, rocked DOOM.

 

[Citadelen]

2 hours ago, Flowey said:

Well i knew that AMD's CPU were shite, do explanations are always nice. I believe excavator are also shite, am I right?

It's does it's job, and provides a very competitive iGPU, AMD's mobile CPU shipments grew by 30% in q4 2016.

[Prysin]

3 hours ago, Enderman said:

their CPUS are what is behind

their "gaming" CPU FX series was released 4.5 years ago

Also... if you use a 60Hz display, FX is more then capable of getting 60 FPS in most titles ive tried.

 

the stuttering is the issues, although, some people do not mind it as much.

Personally, i didnt mind it a whole lot before getting my i7. It annoys me more now, but i must be honest and say. Whilst it can annoy me, it is not game breaking or detrimental to my game performance.

 

I tested my FX in the following games:
The WItcher 3

Tomb Raider 2013

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Rainbow 6 Siege

CS:GO

Guildwars 2 <- DX9 game

Arma 3 <- this game, runs like ass no matter what hardware. The tossers that made this game should lose their job.  i7 fares better, but not enough for me to bother playing it.

Metro: LLR

Ori and the blind forest <- beautiful sidescrolling game. If you havent played it. go get it on steam.

Far Cry 4 <- didnt want to boot with OC or turbo mode enabled... dunno WTF is going on, cuz ive played FC4 with the FX before i got my i7 and it worked just fine....

Zero Punctuation: Hatfall

Stronghold Crusader

Stronghold Crusader 2

F.E.A.R

F.E.A.R 2

 

Only 3 games did not reach 60+ FPS.

The WItcher 3

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Arma 3

 

These games had frequent FPS drops

Guildwars 2 (during 80 man multiplayer events with full LOD and maximum visible character models)

Tomb Raider

Rise of the Tomb Raider

The WItcher 3

Far Cry 4 <- once i got it to work.... dunno what ubi did in their last patch. It is atrocious on FX now....

Metro: LLR

F.E.A.R

F.E.A.R 2

 

The following games only suffered the "trademark" FX stutter but were otherwise rock stable 60+ FPS at all times

CS:GO

Rainbow Six Siege <- even in online multiplayer

Ori and the blind forest

Stronghold Crusader

Stronghold Crusader 2

Zero Punctuation: Hatfall

 

 

my conclusion after testing the FX 8320 at 4.62GHz is...

If you own one, you got two options: Buy skylake, or wait for ZEN/Kaby lake. Haswell is not enough of a upgrade atm to be worth it (money wise). The features you get with haswell is overshadowed by the wastly superior features you get with Skylake/Kaby Lake (same chipset) and probably also ZEN.

Haswell i5 4460 is on average better then a FX 8350, in some select few games, FX is better...

Skylake i3 6100 IS better then a FX 8350 in pretty much every game there is......

So in all honesty, Skylake is just THAT superior, thus Haswell aint worth it.

 

If you do not own a FX CPU.

Dont buy one unless it is so cheap it is stupid not to.

Ever since Skylake i3 6100 dropped down to haswell i3 prices, and boards has gotten a bit cheaper. There is no incentive or reasoning to ever buy a NEW FX today.

If you, however, find a FX8 with a decent mobo, that is used, for like 75-100 USD for the mobo + CPU. Then sure, get it. That is a good value purchase. But otherwise stay the fuck away.

 

#Skylakemasterrace

#beatingadeadhorse

 

[Ryoutarou97]

12 minutes ago, Prysin said:

#beatingadeadhorse

 

He's dead, Jim!

[Flowey]

Are AMD's APU Worth anything or are they only good for consoles?

[Citadelen]

5 minutes ago, Flowey said:

Are AMD's APU Worth anything or are they only good for consoles?

They're good as office machines, and if HSA takes off they'll be much more capable. They have a place in notebooks as well, AMD's mobile CPU shipments increased 30% in q4 2016, and they offer a very good iGPU for a low price.

[Dabombinable]

4 hours ago, Citadelen said:

They're good as office machines, and if HSA takes off they'll be much more capable. They have a place in notebooks as well, AMD's mobile CPU shipments increased 30% in q4 2016, and they offer a very good iGPU for a low price.

Especially notebooks, though ATM people should wait for Zen based 14nm/16nm APU as they'll provide far better value for money than the current APU, and they should mostly run dual channel memory (which has always been needed for APU, but the current memory controllers suck most of the time).

[Clyne]

Shit marketing results into wrong kind of CPU for the market and GPUs that don't sell as well as Nvidia. 

[Dabombinable]

6 minutes ago, Bubblewhale said:

Shit marketing results into wrong kind of CPU for the market and GPUs that don't sell as well as Nvidia. 

If only they'd had Apple's marketing department on hand after they bought Ati, because that's about when things went downhill.

[Clyne]

2 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

If only they'd had Apple's marketing department on hand after they bought Ati, because that's about when things went downhill.

Nah, they should have went with 3dfx's marketing!

Late 90s!

 

 

[Briggsy]

As for GPU's, AMD's GCN architecture is at least a generation ahead of Nvidia in terms of hardware features, but at least a generation behind in marketing and software development. 

 

As for CPU's, AMD have been behind Intel because Intel have their own fabs and AMD sold theirs off. It's only because of the limitations of physics that AMD will have a 14nm CPU out before intel moves on to 10nm. It's been a long time since AMD and Intel were both on the same process node. When it happens, AMD "should" catch up to Intel. Being on the same process node doesn't guarantee matching performance, but it should at least give AMD a fighting chance.

[SamwiseDB]

In the low end of the CPU market, there are actually some decent deals, the 860K won't get you past medium in any game (even if your GPU's good), but is still an i3 competitor for 1/2 the price.

[Citadelen]

3 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

-snip-

Agreed, the Zen APU's should be excellent for laptops, especially as it's built on LPP and Polaris is by nature looking to be very efficient.

[Dabombinable]

1 minute ago, Citadelen said:

Agreed, the Zen APU's should be excellent for laptops, especially as it's built on LPP and Polaris is by nature looking to be very efficient.

From what I've been seeing, APU have come a long way since the POS based on Trinnity (single channel IMC, DDR3 1600 ran slower than DDR3 1066 on an older Phenom II P920 with a dual channel controller), and they are still being improved on (though TBH, still not seriously considering any pre Excavator APU, because they need to exceed my PhII N970+MRHD5650/5770 in all areas while using less power and putting out a lot less heat).

[s3ns3]

16 hours ago, don_svetlio said:

GPU efficiency isn't as clear cut. A 960 uses 120W to power 1024 CUDA cores whereas the R9 380 uses 140W (TinyTomLogan's review measured 140W) to power 1768 Stream Processors.

wrong. r9 380 is a rebranded r9 285. its a 200W card