Skylake bclk??

[BrisoX]

Should i get i5-6400 for oc-ing via bclk or 6600k?

i already downloaded new bios for my Z170A krait gaming. but idk which processor to take. so i have moded BIOS and downloaded windows few days ago, so i could still update this moded BIOS and oc right?

[79wjd]

Intel is blocking bclk overclocking, so I wouldn't as they can push out a microcode update through windows that will block it regardless of your bios. 

[Marziman]

Yep the money whores have to ruin all the fun.  This is why we can't have nice things.

[BrisoX]

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

Intel is blocking bclk overclocking, so I wouldn't as they can push out a microcode update through windows that will block it regardless of your bios. 

yes, but if people already used this method, they can still use it until they update to new bios right?

Just now, Marziman said:

Yep the money whores have to ruin all the fun.  This is why we can't have nice things.

yea, so true...

[79wjd]

3 minutes ago, BrisoX said:

yes, but if people already used this method, they can still use it until they update to new bios right?

Or until Intel forces a microcode update. 

[BrisoX]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

Or until Intel forces a microcode update. 

which will be through windows i suppose?

[Aereldor]

15 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Intel is blocking bclk overclocking, so I wouldn't as they can push out a microcode update through windows that will block it regardless of your bios. 

Downgrade to a stable, older OS (7, 8.1?) and refrain from updating both the BIOS and Windows itself? I don't know how much software functionality you'd sacrifice, but since Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 aren't receiving a ton of large updates, it probably isn't very much. Of course, you'd be giving up Windows 10, but it does seem like a justified trade for an overclocked processor.

[Djole123]

14 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Intel is blocking bclk overclocking, so I wouldn't as they can push out a microcode update through windows that will block it regardless of your bios. 

 

Isn't SetFSB or CPU-Tweaker a thing anymore?

[BrisoX]

1 minute ago, DEcobra11 said:

Or until BIOS modders blob out of nowhere with BIOSes and guides to set write protect

so actually, it won't be possible in the future right?

[stconquest]

1 minute ago, BrisoX said:

so actually, it won't be possible in the future right?

It will always be possible, but Intel will try to annoy everyone.  You have to block Windows updates, and use certain bios'.

[BrisoX]

Just now, stconquest said:

It will always be possible, but Intel will try to annoy everyone.  You have to block Windows updates, and use certain bios'.

i have that certain BIOS. i downloaded it here for my MBO (http://overclocking.guide/msi-z170-non-k-overclocking-guide/)

and i downloaded windows 10 iso yesterday for my new pc. will that workout?

[stconquest]

Just now, BrisoX said:

i have that certain BIOS. i downloaded it here for my MBO (http://overclocking.guide/msi-z170-non-k-overclocking-guide/)

and i downloaded windows 10 iso yesterday for my new pc. will that workout?

If you have the Pro version, you can stop automatic updates.  The microcode is what Intel uses for critical bug fixes and that is what they are using to disable the overclocking.  If you know what Windows update has the bad Intel microcode, you can block it.  If it gets through, you will have to re-flash the motherboard's bios.

[BrisoX]

Just now, DEcobra11 said:

For current mbs that can OC non-K CPUs you'll be able to OC in the future.

With new mbs in the future, unless intel is greedy enough to force physical changes in new MBs, you'll be able to OC on newer skylake mbs

i bought motherboard two days ago and it has oc possibility. it's Z170A krait gaming. so i can take i5-6400 and oc it in the future?

[BrisoX]

2 minutes ago, stconquest said:

If you have the Pro version, you can stop automatic updates.  The microcode is what Intel uses for critical bug fixes and that is what they are using to disable the overclocking.  If you know what Windows update has the bad Intel microcode, you can block it.  If it gets through, you will have to re-flash the motherboard's bios.

i can download PRO version from the internet today and stop the updates

[stconquest]

2 minutes ago, BrisoX said:

i can download PRO version from the internet today and stop the updates

There are a few other quirks with the BCLK overclocking:

 

-You will lose the iGPU.

-You will lose the ability to read the temp of separate cores.

[BrisoX]

1 minute ago, DEcobra11 said:

As long as you don't update to the "locked" BIOS (and maybe some windows updates), yes

yes, i know the downsides.. but the i5-6600k is just a bit exepnsive + water cooling for it.. oh boy..

[i_build_nanosuits]

31 minutes ago, BrisoX said:

yes, i know the downsides.. but the i5-6600k is just a bit exepnsive + water cooling for it.. oh boy..

why would you watercool it? a 30$ air cooler will get the job done just fine...

in fact are you aware of the problems with overclocking the locked i5-6400? it means that you have to disable all the powersaving features (C-State and variable voltages) and the CPU will not longer trottle down...it will run full clock and full voltages all the time...it will also disable the thermal diode on the CPU so you cannot even tell how hot it run...and intel will force a microcode update through windows it's been said already so it will no longer work in the future.

 

here, listen to this video at precisely 13:52 (in fact you should listen to all of it, but at 13:52 will tell you why you should get the 6600K if you own a Z170 board)

 

 

 

 

 

[BrisoX]

10 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

why would you watercool it? a 30$ air cooler will get the job done just fine...

in fact are you aware of the problems with overclocking the locked i5-6400? it means that you have to disable all the powersaving features (C-State and variable voltages) and the CPU will not longer trottle down...it will run full clock and full voltages all the time...it will also disable the thermal diode on the CPU so you cannot even tell how hot it run...and intel will force a microcode update through windows it's been said already so it will no longer work in the future.

 

here, listen to this video at precisely 13:52 (in fact you should listen to all of it, but at 13:52 will tell you why you should get the 6600K if you own a Z170 board)

 

 

 

 

 

okay, will go for 6600k, but what is the best cooler i can get to fit my mastercase pro 5?

[i_build_nanosuits]

3 minutes ago, BrisoX said:

okay, will go for 6600k, but what is the best cooler i can get to fit my mastercase pro 5?

this bad boy will offer a lot of cooling for the price...you can take the chip pretty high with somehting like that without worrying about temps:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7

[stconquest]

1 minute ago, BrisoX said:

okay, will go for 6600k, but what is the best cooler i can get to fit my mastercase pro 5?

Look at the BeQuiet Pure Rock, or the Cryorig H7... both are around $35.

[BrisoX]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

this bad boy will offer a lot of cooling for the price...you can take the chip pretty high with somehting like that without worrying about temps:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7

what about hyper 212?

1 minute ago, stconquest said:

Look at the BeQuiet Pure Rock, or the Cryorig H7... both are around $35.

don't have these in my stores. i'm in Croatia...

only these

http://www.adm.hr/subcategory.asp?subcate=hladnjaci-cpu&cate=hladnjaci&id=183

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, BrisoX said:

what about hyper 212?

yes the hyper 212 will do just fine as well.

[stconquest]

Just now, BrisoX said:

what about hyper 212?

don't have these in my stores. i'm in Croatia...

only these

http://www.adm.hr/subcategory.asp?subcate=hladnjaci-cpu&cate=hladnjaci&id=183

The 212 is just as good as the others, but it is noticeably louder.  The fan is loud but, for the money, the 212 is really good.

[BrisoX]

Just now, i_build_nanosuits said:

yes the hyper 212 will do just fine as well.

okay, cheap and good. i even won't do a lot of OC-ing. mid range only

also, in video says that i get the fastest RAM i can. what do you suggest?

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, stconquest said:

The 212 is just as good as the others, but it is noticeably louder.  The fan is loud but, for the money, the 212 is really good.

actually the included fan with the hyper 212 ain't bad at all...you just have to set a fancurve for it so that it won't spin too fast for no reasons...i did swapped the fans on mine but it was mostly for better looks....cause the stock fan was working perfectly fine for me.