FIOS install

[jasonvp]

My 2 cents:

 

I have both active, but I'm not using any of Verizon's STBs or any of their VoD services.  The coax runs from the ONT to my TiVo (which has a VZ-supplied (rented) CableCARD in it), where as the Ethernet runs to my own router.  I chose this solution because I specifically wanted to use TiVo, and I don't give a flying f*** in a rolling doughnut about VoD services.

 

It works wonderfully.

[gamerking]

22 hours ago, Trikein said:

I might be switching to Verizon FIOS 50/50 plan that includes 20 basic CATV and HBO. I had several questions the sales rep couldn't answer, and couldn't transfer me to technical support since I didn't have a account.

 

1. How hard is it to get the FIOS technician to enable ethernet on the ONT?

2. If the ethernet is enabled, does that disable the coaxial I will need for CATV?

3. Do I need a box for HBO and does it cost money?

4. 1 DHCP IP? IPv6?

1 easy they will not do it if its a fresh install you would have to run the wire inside they will drill the hole just ask they dont care  . it does disable the on-demand if you by pass the router they provide .

2 no tv works but some things are disabled no on-demand i think the dvr doesnt work i can update here in a bit waiting on a 100ft cable to come to test this for someone else also .

3 yes for hbo you need a box and if its not included in your plan hbo is either bundled with other movie channels or is just one flat fee for hbo channels

4 1 DHCP ipv4 mainly they only do IPV4 for the install . but my router (red actionteck dual antennas ) can  be switched to ipv6 but i had issues with my router then . if your using your own switches managed/WIFI routers i say leave ipv6 off  . the red ones they provide can do ipv6 the gray actionteck is a no and a few others do ipv6 but they are the 100mbps+ plans quantum router ect

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7 minutes ago, jasonvp said:

My 2 cents:

 

I have both active, but I'm not using any of Verizon's STBs or any of their VoD services.  The coax runs from the ONT to my TiVo (which has a VZ-supplied (rented) CableCARD in it), where as the Ethernet runs to my own router.  I chose this solution because I specifically wanted to use TiVo, and I don't give a flying f*** in a rolling doughnut about VoD services.

 

It works wonderfully.

::sigh:: See if someone at Verizon had told me this, they probably wouldn't have lost the sale. Minus the Tivo, you have exactly what I want. Now I have already canceled the install. 

 

But out of curiosity, do you have any TV's in your house without a box or cablecard? Do they get ANY channels?This is meanining fuill to me for two reasons. One incase I ever reconsider, and two, to use as a talking point with Cox. When Cox encrypted their signal, making everyone need a box for every TV, people flipped. First it had aspect problems, then controller problems,. confusion on how much they cost and what channels they get. It's a pile of cat poop. I was under the impression that ONT putput cable in some way that you didn't need a box for basic cable and we were using that as a "If they can do it, so can Cox" debate.

 

With cable TV, there are three steps; First the channel needs to be requested if SDV, second it needs to be decrypted, third it needs to be tuned. Cox wanted to excrypt all the signal, so they decided to require a tuner and decrypter in for every TV. My argument was why not install 1 decrypter at the d-mark that way Cox can get their encryption, people can still use their Tivo 2,VCR/DVD, etc and they only have to buy one piece of equipment instead of 3-5 per house.Having SNMP accessible equipment at the D-mark AND the CPE would do wonders for troubleshooting. If signal is good at A but bad at C, problem must be B. 

[jasonvp]

1 minute ago, Trikein said:

But out of curiosity, do you have any TV's in your house without a box or cablecard? Do they get ANY channels?

That's a fair question and I should have included that wee bit in my original response:  I only have 1 TV in my entire home.  I have no need nor desire for any others, so it's a pretty easy thing for me to take care of: Coax -> TiVo (w/CableCARD) -> Receiver -> TV.  Done.

 

My argument was why not install 1 decrypter at the d-mark that way Cox can get their encryption, people can still use their Tivo 2,VCR/DVD, etc and they only have to buy one piece of equipment instead of 3-5 per house.

Well, the flaw in your thinking is: they'll want to make (more) money somehow.  Therefore they rent the CableCARD to you (you're not allowed to buy them outright, AFAIK) per device.  Think with cents, not sense. :-)

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6 minutes ago, jasonvp said:

Well, the flaw in your thinking is: they'll want to make (more) money somehow.  Therefore they rent the CableCARD to you (you're not allowed to buy them outright, AFAIK) per device.  Think with cents, not sense. :-)

Most providers HATE cable cards. Hate having to have the infrastructure, hate the install process, and hate the support process. Also, since they are required to charge less then 3$ they don't make a whole lot of money. What would make a upsell easier? Scheduling a technician 5 days out in a 4 hour window and then have to pay for 4 boxes just to get HBO? Or have someone flip a switch, and turn HBO on with a click. Disconnects are even easier. Then sell DTA (digital tuners) for anyone who needs one and your all set. IMO more customers for less money is better a better business model then less people with higher profit margins. Walmart > Target

[Razor512]

To better clear up the IPTV style aspect, in the simplest form, all normal TV viewing is done using methods similar in standard digital cable TV (not 100% sure of the method used but I know that it is not MoCA). You can switch the ONT to Ethernet and turn the router off, and still use a STB to watch all of your channels, including premium ones.

 

The MoCA aspect is only used for the verizon specific STBs to gather guide data, and on-demand content.

 

Even with the fios router, as the main and coax used throughout, it will still run the guide data and on-demand video through the router.

In fact, when you add a STB to the network,the verizon servers automatically configure the fios router with a number of port forwards and various port forwards needed for each STB (regardless of if Ethernet or coax is used).

 

If you are not using a verizon STB then the MoCA aspect will be of no concern to you.

[dzonidev]

Honestly, this Verzion seems like a big pain in the ass. In EU things are much simpler. Anyways, my suggestion would be, get FiOS only Internet and a higher package. Then go out and buy an IPTV solution from some 3rd party

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15 minutes ago, dzonidev said:

Honestly, this Verzion seems like a big pain in the ass. In EU things are much simpler. Anyways, my suggestion would be, get FiOS only Internet and a higher package. Then go out and buy an IPTV solution from some 3rd party

Can't afford to. Only way I wanted cable TV is if it's free. I could care less about all the crap reality shows and bias news. OTA is a lot cheaper, just need the hardware. Then I can just stream or download everything I like. I have already made my decision, so no more help is required. Thanks for the input though.

[Cajs]

Here's an interesting read: https://www.loganmarchione.com/2015/07/use-your-own-router-with-verizon-fios/

[Trikein]

Round 2...FIGHT! So the battle continues. Heres the kicker, I am poor. I will come right out and say it. Used to life the high life but then lost my job so now I am scrubbing by. I also need dependable internet because my plan is to run a forum of my own and tie it to a website I am working on.

 

So, long story short, Cox internet went out again. It was kind of snowing? Very light. Only went down for a hour or two, but it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. So the Verizon install we were going to cancel we just pushed back a week. We also decided to just not use or set up the cable part the deal and go ethernet. Then maybe upgrade later when money comes in.

 

Pole > Fiber > ONT > 50' CAT6 > RT-N66U > PC + 4 port Gigabit switch > 5Ghz AP(?Have to decide) + Server PC for NAS and more later. 

 

Here are the price comparisons:

Cox: 48$ a month, 50/5Mb 350GB cap, no contract.

FIOS: 50$ a month, 50/50Mb No cap, no contract. 89$ install / 3 month

 

Cox - Pro

Already in place. No install charges charges or fees.

Might be part of D3.1 beta test. Not confirmed

Inside contacts for support and deals.

Have several forums tied to my Cox email address. 

 

Cons

Not as dependable. 4 month FCC fight that left a bad taste in my mouth

Phone support staff is pathetic. I can say that because I used to be one. 

 

FIOS - Pro

Higher upload and less latency.

More dependable, with both powerloss, packet loss, latency. Very little downtime

HBO online app+ Also "maybe" some basic CATV

Phone Sales side know NOTHING technical, but FIOS technical side was very nice and knowledgeable. It may be hit or miss though.

No Cap! Since I might be wiring all the rooms with media players later, SuperHD Netflix and the little UHD content can burn up alot. Oh...and all those linux distros...

 

Cons

Cost, downtime and hassle of install. Need to buy a new roll of CAT6 which is about 70$ for 500feet.

Worry that FIOS will blame all issues on ethernet Vs typical coaxial connection. I wouldn't mind keeping their equipment to connect to troubleshoot, but they charge 10$ a month.

New ISP means setting up new auto pays, new apps, new password on all devices, etc.

 

So thoughts? FIOS has the lead so far but it's not just my money, I would have to talk my room mate into the install cost/fees, etc. Any possibility they would waive the install fee? Also does anyone know how easy it is to force a new DHCP IP from FIOS ONT ethernet? I beta test routers alot and change my network around sometimes and wonder if that would be a issue.

[brwainer]

15 minutes ago, Trikein said:

So the battle continues. Heres the kicker, I am poor. I will come right out and say it. Used to life the high life but then lost my job so now I am scrubbing by. I also need dependable internet because my plan is to run a forum of my own and tie it to a website I am working on.

 

So, long story short, Cox internet went out again. It was kind of snowing? Very light. Only went down for a hour or two, but it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. So the Verizon install we were going to cancel we just pushed back a week. We also decided to just not use or set up the cable part the deal and go ethernet. Then maybe upgrade later when money comes in.

 

Pole > Fiber > ONT > 50' CAT6 > RT-N66U > PC + 4 port Gigabit switch > 5Ghz AP(?Have to decide) + Server PC for NAS and more later. 

 

Here are the price comparisons:

Cox: 48$ a month, 50/5Mb 350GB cap, no contract.

FIOS: 50$ a month, 50/50Mb No cap, no contract. 89$ install / 3 month

 

Cox - Pro

Already in place. No install charges charges or fees.

Might be part of D3.1 beta test. Not confirmed

Inside contacts for support and deals.

Have several forums tied to my Cox email address. 

 

Cons

Not as dependable. 4 month FCC fight that left a bad taste in my mouth

Phone support staff is pathetic. I can say that because I used to be one. 

 

FIOS - Pro

Higher upload and less latency.

More dependable, with both powerloss, packet loss, latency. Very little downtime

HBO online app+ Also "maybe" some basic CATV

Phone Sales side know NOTHING technical, but FIOS technical side was very nice and knowledgeable. It may be hit or miss though.

No Cap! Since I might be wiring all the rooms with media players later, SuperHD Netflix and the little UHD content can burn up alot. Oh...and all those linux distros...

 

Cons

Cost, downtime and hassle of install. Need to buy a new roll of CAT6 which is about 70$ for 500feet.

Worry that FIOS will blame all issues on ethernet Vs typical coaxial connection. I wouldn't mind keeping their equipment to connect to troubleshoot, but they charge 10$ a month.

New ISP means setting up new auto pays, new apps, new password on all devices, etc.

 

So thoughts? FIOS has the lead so far but it's not just my money, I would have to talk my room mate into the install cost/fees, etc. Any possibility they would waive the install fee? Also does anyone know how easy it is to force a new DHCP IP from FIOS ONT ethernet? I beta test routers alot and change my network around sometimes and wonder if that would be a issue.

I have recently been doing a lot of new technical research towards moving our cable TV from Cox to Verizon. So some of the things I thought before and wrote above I now know were wrong.

Getting Verizon to waive install fees - they will sometimes do this if you sign a 2 year contract

Video from the ONT - turns out they are using some variant of QAM, not sure if any channels are ClearQAM or not. Coax video from the ONT is active 24/7, depending on the package(s) you sign up for.Only one WAN is active on the ONT at a time. They fully support ethernet WAN if you don't have Fios TV, or if you use their router. They still support ethernet WAN even if you have your own router and FIOS TV, they just won't help you if your cable boxes can't get data for things like the channel guide. See dslreports.com for options to set up cable boxes in order to use your own router in place of theirs. I am planning on using the "MoCA bridge" setup option (number 8 I believe) in my Fios TV install within the next few weeks. Just have some contract and pricing checks to go through and then I can tell you how it goes.

renewing a DHCP IP from the ONT - I have no idea how hard this is, since I have 5x static IPs. But I can tell you that the power supply for my ONT, which is actually located on the inside of my garage (ONT on the other side of the wall on the outside of the house) has a "reset ONT" button that I believe cuts the power for a few seconds. So that should definitely cause you to be able to get a new IP if all else fails.

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36 minutes ago, brwainer said:

I have recently been doing a lot of new technical research towards moving our cable TV from Cox to Verizon. So some of the things I thought before and wrote above I now know were wrong.

Getting Verizon to waive install fees - they will sometimes do this if you sign a 2 year contract

Video from the ONT - turns out they are using some variant of QAM, not sure if any channels are ClearQAM or not. Coax video from the ONT is active 24/7, depending on the package(s) you sign up for.Only one WAN is active on the ONT at a time. They fully support ethernet WAN if you don't have Fios TV, or if you use their router. They still support ethernet WAN even if you have your own router and FIOS TV, they just won't help you if your cable boxes can't get data for things like the channel guide. See dslreports.com for options to set up cable boxes in order to use your own router in place of theirs. I am planning on using the "MoCA bridge" setup option (number 8 I believe) in my Fios TV install within the next few weeks. Just have some contract and pricing checks to go through and then I can tell you how it goes.

renewing a DHCP IP from the ONT - I have no idea how hard this is, since I have 5x static IPs. But I can tell you that the power supply for my ONT, which is actually located on the inside of my garage (ONT on the other side of the wall on the outside of the house) has a "reset ONT" button that I believe cuts the power for a few seconds. So that should definitely cause you to be able to get a new IP if all else fails.

I think where the confusion stems from is what is allowed to work and what actually works. They are walking a fine line between having to rebroadcast locals and not wanting to be classified as a cable carrier. "The FCC won't let me be me..so let me see.."

 

So coaxial output "probably" by default outputs local basic (OTA stuff) on either NTSC or QAM (I hope QAM since that would negate analog encryption) but they are supposed to turn it off. I would bet it even broadcast that even if person has data only, unlike me who has cable integrated into their plan. This isn't a deal breaker for me, I just wanted confirmation one way or another so I could prepare.

 

I also plan on setting up the MoCA bridge later once I get some money. I like this set up because it gives scalability at no cost. BTW, how did you get 5 static IP's? Business? Grandfathered? 

 

Last,  I assume i should just set WAN to DHCP? I am told IPv6 is not active. Anyone know what their DHCP rotation is? Normal is 2 days. Need host name? Any diagnostics or web UI available on the ONT?

[brwainer]

1 minute ago, Trikein said:

I think where the confusion stems from is what is allowed to work and what actually works. They are walking a fine line between having to rebroadcast locals and not wanting to be classified as a cable carrier. "The FCC won't let me be me..so let me see.."

 

So coaxial output "probably" by default outputs local basic (OTA stuff) on either NTSC or QAM (I hope QAM since that would negate analog encryption) but they are supposed to turn it off. I would bet it even broadcast that even if person has data only, unlike me who has cable integrated into their plan. This isn't a deal breaker for me, I just wanted confirmation one way or another so I could prepare.

 

I also plan on setting up the MoCA bridge later once I get some money. I like this set up because it gives scalability at no cost. BTW, how did you get 5 static IP's? Business? Grandfathered? 

 

Last,  I assume i should just set WAN to DHCP? I am told IPv6 is not active. Anyone know what their DHCP rotation is? Normal is 2 days. Need host name? Any diagnostics or web UI available on the ONT?

I pay $40/month on top of the prices of a business plan for the 5 IPs. (business plan + $20 to upgrade from dynamic to static + $20 to upgrade from 1 to 5 IPs). I can check if my ONT is outputting any video right now while I have an internet only plan, since we have to do some wiring before swapping our plan over. I'll just do a trial before actually placing my change order with Verizon. But I really doubt it's outputting anything.

 

BTW I did find out they have CableCards available for business customers, on the equipment page: http://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-tv/equipment/ but the related page for residential equipment completely skips it: http://www.verizon.com/home/fiostv/#equipment-installation. You'd have to ask if it's available for residential customers.

 

I haven't looked to see if my ONT has any diagnostics output or Web UI, but as I said before I do know it has a MAC address I can detect from my router's WAN port, in the FDB (actually shows up on all 3 of my routers' WAN, and on the port of my switch connected to the ONT: http://deepmac.jedimercer.com/search.php?date=&macadd=00%3A17%3Acc%3A37%3A4a%3A96&comp=&dev=&numresults=50). I need to look at my ONT again to find the model number to see what comes up online. Come back in an hour or so and I'll update on what I find on my ONT.

[KuJoe]

1 hour ago, Trikein said:

Worry that FIOS will blame all issues on ethernet Vs typical coaxial connection. I wouldn't mind keeping their equipment to connect to troubleshoot, but they charge 10$ a month.

You can buy a used Verizon router on eBay for pretty cheap ($20-$40 shipped). This would eliminate one of the Cons you have for FiOS.

 

1 hour ago, Trikein said:

Also does anyone know how easy it is to force a new DHCP IP from FIOS ONT ethernet?

I just did a release and renew on my router and it grabbed a new IP from a completely different /24. I didn't know I could do this but that's pretty neat.

[brwainer]

So I have an Alcatel-Lucent I-211M-L ONT. My google searching reveals nothing about getting information from the device. I opened a Live Chat with Technical Support and got this response: "There is definitely no web or GUI based monitoring of the ONT. We can only get details about it when a customer reports a network issue." So according to Verizon, they can pull data but I/you can't.

 

Forgot to answer this before:

31 minutes ago, Trikein said:

Last,  I assume i should just set WAN to DHCP? I am told IPv6 is not active. Anyone know what their DHCP rotation is? Normal is 2 days. Need host name?

Yes you would set your router WAN to DHCP, they aren't using PPPoE or anything else unusual. IPv6 is not active, I even asked as a business static IP customer on the argument that I wanted to provide IPv6 services. They have a 6 to 4 tunnel for internal customers to get to IPv6 sites but their network doesn't internally support IPv6. The scuttlebutt I've heard is that they had so many IPv4 addresses from Verizon Wireless that they recycled by swapping wireless to IPv6 that they may not ever need to move to IPv6 for their Fios and DSL customers. As for DHCP rotation, I have no idea, but I wouldn't say that "Normal" is 2 days. Most SOHO routers default to 1 day, except Mikrotik that defaults to 10 minutes, and my grandparent's Time Warner Cable lease time is 7 days. AS for host name, I don't think you have to configure your router to provide one in order to get an IP by DHCP, but again I wouldn't know for sure.

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45 minutes ago, KuJoe said:

You can buy a used Verizon router on eBay for pretty cheap ($20-$40 shipped). This would eliminate one of the Cons you have for FiOS.

 

I just did a release and renew on my router and it grabbed a new IP from a completely different /24. I didn't know I could do this but that's pretty neat.

Maybe when I get cable, and that was my plan, but for now it's internet only. Thank you for the info on the IP. You didn't even have to change the MAC? That will make things so much easier. Wonder how big their DHCP pool is.

[Razor512]

For my fios service, they do not blame things on Ethernet, as they will do it for you if you upgrade to a 100Mbit  plan. if you don't want to use their STB (for TV), then literally just run an Ethernet cable from the ONT to your router, and keep the crappy actiontec router in its original box. Everything will work fine without any extra work.

 

The ONT is completely transparent to your network, and has a separate data path for management by Verizon.

 

If you feel that you will ever need to use their customer support service, then make sure you use the same MAC address as the fios/actiontec router (For internet only (no TV), you do not need to change the MAC address), this will allow for easy swapping, as you just use your same power adapter and swap over the WAN and power connection, turn it on, and then call them, they will not be able to tell anything. PS without digging into the customer info, the CSR cannot immediately see if you are using Ethernet or coax with the ONT, and they cannot tell if you are even using their router or not until they attempt to perform a specific command for your router such as a factory reset, and it doesn't go through.

 

The only time i ever had to do this to get support, was when I was getting them to re-enable the on screen caller ID for their set top box (since their service originally and automatically disabled it when it detected a non fios router as the main (only a TV issue).

 

Other than that, for anyone using fios service, I recommend that they just use their own router. It is an extremely easy setup to do, and I have been using this setup with no issues since fios service first came to NY many years ago.

 

 

If you are going for an Internet only plan, see if you can get them to even skip sending you their router, and also see if the installer can run Ethernet for you. When I originally did it (ran Ethernet the day after the worker installed everything), I asked more about it on the DSL reports site, and everyone was just wondering why I didn't have the worker run Ethernet to begin with since they did it for them at no extra charge during the install when they requested it.

[KuJoe]

18 minutes ago, Trikein said:

Maybe when I get cable, and that was my plan, but for now it's internet only. Thank you for the info on the IP. You didn't even have to change the MAC? That will make things so much easier. Wonder how big their DHCP pool is.

Nope, my MAC stayed the same. I tried another release/renew on my router though and it keeps pulling the same IP now. I'll try again tomorrow to see if it pulls a new one.

[beavo451]

Just my 2 cents.

 

I have FIOS Internet only. Tech came to do the install, I asked him for Ethernet, and he said sure no problem. Ran a Cat5e line over that I later cut off the connector and put it into a punchdown jack.

 

A release/renew does not give me a new IP address. But, it seems like you can do it yourself easily. I switched routers, went to Verizon support on my phone. It has some prompts like "Internet isn't working" or "Change routers". It goes through an automated repair thing which I will speculate includes forcing a DHCP release. 

 

So, connected new router. Verizon website on phone. 3 minutes later everything works. No need to spoof MAC address. No need to talk to anybody on the phone.

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7 hours ago, beavo451 said:

A release/renew does not give me a new IP address. But, it seems like you can do it yourself easily. I switched routers, went to Verizon support on my phone. It has some prompts like "Internet isn't working" or "Change routers". It goes through an automated repair thing which I will speculate includes forcing a DHCP release. 

Sounds like they use MAC ARP caching then. Thats a pain, but MAC cloning should get around it. The less I can call support the better.

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So new envelopment. Since Verizon was winning the battle, I was thinking what I had to do for install. See here for Imgur album. Picture 3, 4, and 5 are from pole to house box. Notice window in photo 1. That is same window you see corner of in photo 6, for perspective. My plan was for them to run fiber down pole, and mount ONT somewhere right of Cox housebox and battery other side (photo 6).

 

The problem I found was there are no normal working electrical outlets in that basement. Long story short, previous tenants had questionable employment. When they moved out, they ripped out anything related to those electrical activities, including most outlets. As you see in photo 7, it looks like a electrical outlet that someone put a cover on. I do have one outlet that runs off the main panel, and I "could" run a exstention cord, but I somehow think that is a bad idea. Last, photo 7 is a box on the ceiling near by.

 

I have two questions; Does FIOS need a working electrical outlet for their equipment. If so, how many? Second, are either of those electrical boxes ones I can turn into a socket with moderate effort? I am a electrical novice, but I think I can get negative and positive right. I have a GFCI I thought I could maybe use, but need the face plate. Also, any problems with wall? Will they drill in through cement? Sub flooring? Through the window? 

 

Last, the ethernet I need to run is about 50 feet. Thats for the main stretch from ONT to main router. Might also run more for NAS and AP later. How much of that will FIOS do? 

[beavo451]

30 minutes ago, Trikein said:

Sounds like they use MAC ARP caching then. Thats a pain, but MAC cloning should get around it. The less I can call support the better.

You don't actually need to make a phone call. It is an automated process on the website. I was using my phone and mobile data because the home Internet was down.

15 minutes ago, Trikein said:

 

 

I have two questions; Does FIOS need a working electrical outlet for their equipment. If so, how many? Second, are either of those electrical boxes ones I can turn into a socket with moderate effort? I am a electrical novice, but I think I can get negative and positive right. I have a GFCI I thought I could maybe use, but need the face plate. Also, any problems with wall? Will they drill in through cement? Sub flooring? Through the window? 

 

Last, the ethernet I need to run is about 50 feet. Thats for the main stretch from ONT to main router. Might also run more for NAS and AP later. How much of that will FIOS do? 

You had more than 2 questions. 

 

Yes. FIOS needs an outlet for the ONT. There is a large power brick that plugs in. It doesn't necessarily need to be near the ONT and the installer will run the power cable to wherever it goes (obviously within reason).

 

The outlet box with the blank cover looks like it can have an outlet easily added. Just buy an outlet, face plate, and connect the black and white wires to the matching screws. The outlet is labeled. There are 15AMP and 20AMP outlets. If you have a 15AMP circuit, you can use either one. If it is on a 20AMP circuit, you need a 20AMP outlet. BUT, I don't see a ground wire. If you do add an outlet to that circuit it will not be up to code (don't do it). You will need to run new, 2-wire w/ ground. The square box is a ceiling box normally used for ceiling fixtures or junctions. If it doesn't have a cover plate, it needs one. And, there is not positive and negative with AC power. It is hot (black) and neutral (white).

 

My Ethernet cable that my installer used is about 40ft.

 

If you have installation specific requirements, that is between you and the installer.

 

Also, maybe you can call up Verizon and haggle with them a little? My installation was free.

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3 hours ago, beavo451 said:

 BUT, I don't see a ground wire. If you do add an outlet to that circuit it will not be up to code (don't do it). You will need to run new, 2-wire w/ ground. The square box is a ceiling box normally used for ceiling fixtures or junctions. If it doesn't have a cover plate, it needs one. And, there is not positive and negative with AC power. It is hot (black) and neutral (white)

Yea thats a WHOLE other problem. I think there is a issue with the electrical ground in the house. Some outlets work fine, but the one in the kitchen, if you plug anything with a ground, even if not on, it will fiip a breaker that shuts off about 5 outlets and 4 lights, or 1/3 the house. The meter has a ground. There is also a coaxial ground on the cold water pipe, and there is what looks like a braided metal ground cable that runs somewhere, but still haven't tracked it. Don't you just LOVE inheriting other's people stupidly when renting? That would explain why so many of the outlets are GFCI. No ground so they ground each outlet to itself. 

 

So does that mean the FIOS install is a no? Can FIOS run power from the street? Or some how ground seperatly? I have a feeling putting in a proper grounded electrical outlet down there would run into the hundreds, if not thousands if the panel isn't code. The landlord won't swing for that. Maybe if I bust out the renter's permit, but I bet she CYA. I am going to call National Grid and see what they do outside, but as the magic ball says: "Outlook not so good"

[Razor512]

For my install, they connected to to the nearby outlet which was not grounded.

[brwainer]

19 minutes ago, Trikein said:

Yea thats a WHOLE other problem. I think there is a issue with the electrical ground in the house. Some outlets work fine, but the one in the kitchen, if you plug anything with a ground, even if not on, it will fiip a breaker that shuts off about 5 outlets and 4 lights, or 1/3 the house. The meter has a ground. There is also a coaxial ground on the cold water pipe, and there is what looks like a braided metal ground cable that runs somewhere, but still haven't tracked it. Don't you just LOVE inheriting other's people stupidly when renting? That would explain why so many of the outlets are GFCI. No ground so they ground each outlet to itself. 

 

So does that mean the FIOS install is a no? Can FIOS run power from the street? Or some how ground seperatly? I have a feeling putting in a proper grounded electrical outlet down there would run into the hundreds, if not thousands if the panel isn't code. The landlord won't swing for that. Maybe if I bust out the renter's permit, but I bet she CYA. I am going to call National Grid and see what they do outside, but as the magic ball says: "Outlook not so good"

The power supply for my ONT has a two prong connector, no ground pin. The ONT itself is grounded to the metal pipe that protects my electrical wires between the ground (literal ground) and the bottom of the power meter. I'm pretty sure this metal pipe goes all the way to the street so it's a decent ground to use. Obviously all wires in my neighborhood are underground.