Another #PCMasterRace argument :P

[Monkeyfightah]

No matter if CD, DVD, Steam, GOG, Different Windows Versions, Different Hardware, unicorn magic ISO's of games...

 

When you buy or download a game for PC, you basically have it forever and for every PC you ever get it.

Even if old games sometimes don't run, people actually care enough to fix that.

 

When you bought 50 games on your PS3 and you have no warranty for your PS3 and you get YLOD or something... you're fucked.

When you upgrade to a PS4, you can't play any of the games as far as I know. What do you do with them? You can't sell them, they're useless nowadays

You can buy a new PS3 but sometimes they won't be sold anymore and then you can never ever play those games again. 

Even if PS4 had native support for PS3 Games, will PS5 have it? pff

 

With PC we can run basically any old game we have,

or in 10 or 20 or whatever amount years we will be able to still run the games we buy today, even the old ones!

 

 

I just realised this and never heard anybody say this except for "pc has more exclusives" which doesn't cover this argument really.

 

 

But who the hell cares right Let's all just chill and play whatever on whatever platform we want

[LokiFire]

I don't agree, and if you think a digital service is any better you seriously need to get your head tested.

[Aniallation]

Well, for consoles it's harder than it looks. For example, in order for PS3 to have backwards compatibility they actually had to put physical PS2 processors on the logic board of fat PS3s to do it, there wasn't enough power to just emulate PS2 games which ran on a different instruction set and type of processor.
 

I don't agree, and if you think a digital service is any better you seriously need to get your head tested.

Huh? OP's talking about backwards compatibility and how you can run older games on newer hardware much more easily with PC, as opposed to consoles with their selective backwards compatibility.

[Monkeyfightah]

I don't agree, and if you think a digital service is any better you seriously need to get your head tested.

You can buy Games on DVD's for PC and play them 10 years later.

What I'm saying is that you have the CHOICE.

[Jykos]

if you think a digital service is any better you seriously need to get your head tested.

Chill

[Andrew Storlie]

No matter if CD, DVD, Steam, GOG, Different Windows Versions, Different Hardware, unicorn magic ISO's of games...

 

When you buy or download a game for PC, you basically have it forever and for every PC you ever get it.

Even if old games sometimes don't run, people actually care enough to fix that.

 

When you bought 50 games on your PS3 and you have no warranty for your PS3 and you get YLOD or something... you're fucked.

When you upgrade to a PS4, you can't play any of the games as far as I know. What do you do with them? You can't sell them, they're useless nowadays

You can buy a new PS3 but sometimes they won't be sold anymore and then you can never ever play those games again. 

Even if PS4 had native support for PS3 Games, will PS5 have it? pff

 

With PC we can run basically any old game we have,

or in 10 or 20 or whatever amount years we will be able to still run the games we buy today, even the old ones!

 

 

I just realised this and never heard anybody say this except for "pc has more exclusives" which doesn't cover this argument really.

 

 

But who the hell cares right Let's all just chill and play whatever on whatever platform we want

ive made that argument plenty of times before... also with the fact that games for pc go on sale all the time for crazy low prices so its cheaper the console

[LokiFire]

Huh? OP's talking about backwards compatibility and how you can run older games on newer hardware much more easily with PC, as opposed to consoles with their selective backwards compatibility.

"When you buy or download a game for PC, you basically have it forever and for every PC you ever get it."

[Monkeyfightah]

ive made that argument plenty of times before... also with the fact that games for pc go on sale all the time for crazy low prices so its cheaper the console

Yea that's right

[LokiFire]

Also i own a PS3, my games will never stop working, and i doubt the console will as it's taken apart once a year and cleaned out, it has been since launch and it works as it did from day 1, the average hill billy in his dusty room with socks covering his PS3's vents is the candidate you talk about.

[Monkeyfightah]

"When you buy or download a game for PC, you basically have it forever and for every PC you ever get it."

Pretty much Unless we're going to see some unpredictable totally fucked up change that is improbable af

[Aniallation]

"When you buy or download a game for PC, you basically have it forever and for every PC you ever get it."

This could be taken either way from just the single quote, but if you read the rest of the OP, it becomes clear he means that if you're able to hold on to that game in whichever medium you obtained it, you can continue to play it on newer PCs of newer hardware generations in (at least the foreseeable) future. Not that "when you buy a game it'll be available on a server forever for you to re-download on demand".

[MattLantis]

Where the hell are the mods at

[Aniallation]

Pretty much Unless we're going to see some unpredictable totally fucked up change that is improbable af

Chances are PC's will be sticking with x86-based CPUs and NT kernels in Windows for a while, and by the time we do find something else to move to, it shouldn't be too hard to emulate what once was. For example, although it isn't natively supported anymore, it's not that hard to get old DOS games up and running on a shiny new Windows 10 PC.

[Monkeyfightah]

Also i own a PS3, my games will never stop working, and i doubt the console will as it's taken apart once a year and cleaned out, it has been since launch and it works as it did from day 1, the average hill billy in his dusty room with socks covering his PS3's vents is the candidate you talk about.

 

Srsly.. if your PS3 still works and it works fine and dandy - good for you! I hope it will run forever but it is very likely.. and when it's dead - you won't be able to play those games.

That's the point I was trying to make. Maybe you won't care about those games.

[Jykos]

"When you buy or download a game for PC, you basically have it forever and for every PC you ever get it."

yes, and what does this have to do with digital vs physical?

 

"No matter if CD, DVD, Steam, GOG, Different Windows Versions, Different Hardware, unicorn magic ISO's of games..."

his point is about backwards compatibility not the game medium. 

 

I'm not stating my opinion on this topic however, because I find the fire nation attacks (flame wars) pretty quickly on 'why x is better then y' threads.

[Aniallation]

Srsly.. if your PS3 still works and it works fine and dandy - good for you! I hope it will run forever but it is very likely.. and when it's dead - you won't be able to play those games.

That's the point I was trying to make. Maybe you won't care about those games.

If the games are physical copy, it's not that hard to just get another console to replace the hardware. Like I just did recently to play my PS2 collection.

[Monkeyfightah]

 

Chances are PC's will be sticking with x86-based CPUs and NT kernels in Windows for a while, and by the time we do find something else to move to, it shouldn't be too hard to emulate what once was. For example, although it isn't natively supported anymore, it's not that hard to get old DOS games up and running on a shiny new Windows 10 PC.

DOS games dude? those could be emulated waaaaay back in my childhood... DOSBOX FTW!
I can emulate PSP on my phone nowadays.. I bet PS3 emulators are existent already...

 

 

If the games are physical copy, it's not that hard to just get another console to replace the hardware. Like I just did recently to play my PS2 collection.

Cool shit bro

[LokiFire]

Srsly.. if your PS3 still works and it works fine and dandy - good for you! I hope it will run forever but it is very likely.. and when it's dead - you won't be able to play those games.

That's the point I was trying to make. Maybe you won't care about those games.

You are extremely naive to think you can't replace even the small parts in a PS3, let alone how cheap a PS3 is, i can get another one for 50 quid, they are common as hell, even PS2 and Original XBOX still is.

 

My Original XBOX's and PS2's are still going going strong, just because you have this thing against them, it won't work on those who actually have no bias.

 

What you fail to talk about is that in general PC hardware failure is much more common vs consoles.

[Monkeyfightah]

You are extremely naive to think you can't replace even the small parts in a PS3, let alone how cheap a PS3 is, i can get another one for 50 quid, they are common as hell, even PS2 and Original XBOX still is.

 

My Original XBOX's and PS2's are still going going strong, just because you have this thing against them, it won't work on those who actually have no bias.

 

What you fail to talk about is that in general PC hardware failure is much more common vs consoles.

First of all my friend - I'm not hating on anything. If you enjoy your consoles I'm glad for you.

 

I was just pointing out an opinion I haven't seen yet. If you can get those older consoles so inexpensively which I didn't know - COOL! 

 

Also general hardware failure on PC is able to be fixed by the user most of the time - which doesn't cost money and you don't need a lot of knowledge and experience for a specific device. A lot of the times just restart or put new thermal paste

[LokiFire]

First of all my friend - I'm not hating on anything. If you enjoy your consoles I'm glad for you.

 

I was just pointing out an opinion I haven't seen yet. If you can get those older consoles so inexpensively which I didn't know - COOL! 

 

Also general hardware failure on PC is able to be fixed by the user most of the time - which doesn't cost money and you don't need a lot of knowledge and experience for a specific device. A lot of the times just restart or put new thermal paste

Oh right i see, i like how you think i am this exclusive console gamer too now haha.

 

I have been gaming on PC since 2007, i know the ins and out's of PC gaming, even before Steam became popular, i was that lad on Black Hawk Down smashing your dad online in 2003

 

 

Anywho.

 

So if all i need to do is replace thermal paste etc and tell the god's my hardware is dead and they fix it.

 

Then my HD 7770 would still be working correct? oh right yeah it's VRM's blew...

 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/514658-graphics-card-overclocking-a-more-in-depth-perspective-how-to-stay-safe/

[LokiFire]

@Monkeyfightah i have a better argument for you for the future.

 

Older games yes they run well on PC so long as the OS you are using will run the game (also hit & miss depending on hardware)

Consoles cost more to stay online, they also will end up costing more if you buy games new, however going second hand is an option, but it doe snot go towards the developers and onlt to the pockets of the store owners.

 

Consoles are customizable, but not without the company behind said machine hating towards the homebrew/ modder scene

, one exception being Microsoft with the Original XBOX.

 

 

 

SONY & Nintendo are not supporters of anything like this, i also have modified consoles, my PS2 slim running FMCB and can now output a full 1080P signal with component, my XBOX also running a hardware TSOP flash with XBMC and a massive 2TB HDD using a SATA/PATA adapter, with 144 ATA cable.

 

 

Graphics are not upgradable on a console, we all know this.

 

Consoles can emulate older consoles, my Original XBOX can run PS1 games, & N64 games, however N64 requires a hardware RAM upgrade to get full speed out of the emulation, it's not a job for a novice.

[pinksnowmanshandle]

Eh I guess one defense for the consoles is that you keep your old system and play those old games. The Xbox One now supports 360 backwards compatibility and it doesn't make it so you have to buy all your old games again.

 

Which unfortunately the PS4 still does not support older games on their disc, though Sony is sort of getting there and some rumors of them possibly being in the works of at least PS2(and probably PS1) backwards compatibility.  

 

Which I mean doesn't affect me too much because all my games were for the 360 and then recently I got a PS4 so I was already moving to a new platform and GTA V had already came to the PS4.

 

 

To each their own...

For those with slower internet sometimes waiting for a game to download is an absolute PITA sometimes an update can be hell, so by consoles still using disc for their games is a lot better than having to wait half a day or longer for a 50gb game to download.

 

Hearkening back to the inherent superiority of PCs certainly it is cool that if one wanted to play like Fallout 1 or 2 they could easy just get a used CD or get it off Steam. 

 

 

 

[LogicalDrm]

This acutally most of the reason for me to be on PC. I could still kinda play those games bought for Win95. They will be glitched because of DX but they will work. Unlike most PS2 or 8bit Nintendo games from my console years.

Where the hell are the mods at

Why would you need one? This thread has been very clean and intelligent. Not all topics with such title are bad. Anyway, if you feel like this thread should get moderation attention, use the Report feature. Rather than wondering about it. Mods don't see all threads or posts.

[Kevin_Walter]

Man, what am I going to do with this original Xbox, N64, NES, SNES, PS1, Sega Genesis, and Gamecube in my closet? I didn't know they suddenly became inert the moment new consoles were released. Shocking news... truly.

 

No but seriously, isn't there a PCMR circle-jerk subreddit somewhere?

[danhulud]

What is this bullshit?