SSHD vs SSD

[Vengeance_K1ng]

I am using a SShd for my boot drive and storage. Is it as good as a ssd?

[i_build_nanosuits]

no but it's better than nothing

i own one it's decent but i don't even use it for boot i use it for games...i have 3 SSD's...

[Amazingasian]

No. Better than a hard drive though.

[Enderman]

no, not even close

its basically just a hard drive with large cache

[i_build_nanosuits]

no, not even close

its basically just a hard drive with large cache

it has 8GB of flash memory that will store the most often used files...so windows boot pretty fast for example and load nvidia experience and msi afterburner and shit...it's nice to have if you do not own an SSD for boot drive.

[Cory_plays_games]

A 1tb SSHD would have about 992 gb and a 8gb ssd the stuff you use the most is in the 8gb of ssd i think so its basically like having and extra 8gb  of ram but in the sshd

[WoodenMarker]

It can be much snappier than a traditional hdd but it's nowhere as fast a ssd. 

[don_svetlio]

A 1tb SSHD would have about 992 gb and a 8gb ssd the stuff you use the most is in the 8gb of ssd i think so its basically like having and extra 8gb  of ram but in the sshd

wrong - a 1TB SSHD has 931GB of HDD storage with 8GB of Flash cache

[Enderman]

it has 8GB of flash memory that will store the most often used files...so windows boot pretty fast for example and load nvidia experience and msi afterburner and shit...it's nice to have if you do not own an SSD for boot drive.

you dont get to choose what goes on cache

that data is constantly changing based on what you use

that means the SSD is wasting write cycles just to move stuff back and forth from the HDD

and when it does move something from the HDD to the SSD, that transfer is bottlenecked by the HDD speeds

so not only do you have to wait for the slow transfer speed of the HDD, but then you have additional latency for the time it takes to move from the HDD to the SSD

 

and 8GB is the size of a USB drive

its not enough space to be of any use other than opening a few programs

everything else is still as slow as the HDD

 

and btw the SSD cache is no where near as fast as a standard SATA 3 SSD

[i_build_nanosuits]

you dont get to choose what goes on cache

that data is constantly changing based on what you use

that means the SSD is wasting write cycles just to move stuff back and forth from the HDD

and when it does move something from the HDD to the SSD, that transfer is bottlenecked by the HDD speeds

so not only do you have to wait for the slow transfer speed of the HDD, but then you have additional latency for the time it takes to move from the HDD to the SSD

 

and 8GB is the size of a USB drive

its not enough space to be of any use other than opening a few programs

everything else is still as slow as the HDD

 

and btw the SSD cache is no where near as fast as a standard SATA 3 SSD

that's not how it works..i know i have one. Only your first sentence make sense...everything else is wrong.

[Enderman]

that's not how it works..i know i have one. Only your first sentence make sense...everything else is wrong.

oh wow! your proof is so convincing!

"i know i have one" is definitely the best way to prove someone wrong.

congrats, you win!

 

 

 

since you're proof is so correct that also means that all these benchmarks are false right??

http://www.storagereview.com/seagate_desktop_sshd_review

I guess they must not "i know i have one" and the SSHD must therefore perform much better than in does these benchmarks, right?!

[i_build_nanosuits]

oh wow! your proof is so convincing!

"i know i have one" is definitely the best way to prove someone wrong.

congrats, you win!

 

 

 

since you're proof is so correct that also means that all these benchmarks are false right??

http://www.storagereview.com/seagate_desktop_sshd_review

I guess they must not "i know i have one" and the SSHD must therefore perform much better than in does these benchmarks, right?!

well, it perform better than every other drive it's pitted against in these test? i guess you don't understand when they say ''average latency'' then that also mean ''lower is better'' ?

 

that means the SSD is wasting write cycles just to move stuff back and forth from the HDD

and when it does move something from the HDD to the SSD, that transfer is bottlenecked by the HDD speeds

so not only do you have to wait for the slow transfer speed of the HDD, but then you have additional latency for the time it takes to move from the HDD to the SSD

 

and 8GB is the size of a USB drive

its not enough space to be of any use other than opening a few programs

 

BTW, this is the part where you were wrong, when i say it does not work that way it's because it does not work that way...the drive is smart enough not to write to the nand while you're doing other stuff on the drive, it does so when the drive is idle.

[Enderman]

well, it perform better than every other drive it's pitted against in these test? i guess you don't understand when they say ''average latency'' then that also mean ''lower is better'' ?

 

that means the SSD is wasting write cycles just to move stuff back and forth from the HDD

and when it does move something from the HDD to the SSD, that transfer is bottlenecked by the HDD speeds

so not only do you have to wait for the slow transfer speed of the HDD, but then you have additional latency for the time it takes to move from the HDD to the SSD

 

and 8GB is the size of a USB drive

its not enough space to be of any use other than opening a few programs

 

BTW, this is the part where you were wrong, when i say it does not work that way it's because it does not work that way...the drive is smart enough not to write to the nand while you're doing other stuff on the drive, it does so when the drive is idle.

Are you kidding me? the ENTIRE benchmark on that site is against HDDs

Maybe you didn't notice,  but the SSHD is horrendous compared to a SSD

you can see form those benchmarks that is only a couple times faster than a slow HDD

 

and maybe you have a different opinion, but a tiny SSD that can only be used for stuff like boot and a few programs at a time is completely useless

the benefit of an SSD is having extremely fast access times to ANYTHING, not just one thing

games, files, music, videos, pictures, everything loads much faster

 

this is why people who buy a shitty 64GB SSD just to have a few seconds faster boot, or to have one programs that loads 2 seconds faster, are just wasting money

8GB is not enough to put 500GB of programs, games, files, and media on it.

Yeah its faster than a HDD, when accessing the miniscule 8GB of cache, but you dont even get to choose what goes on there

it chooses for you, which is stupid

 

And no, it is not faster than an SSD.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Are you kidding me? the ENTIRE benchmark on that site is against HDDs

Maybe you didn't notice,  but the SSHD is horrendous compared to a SSD

you can see form those benchmarks that is only a couple times faster than a slow HDD

 

and maybe you have a different opinion, but a tiny SSD that can only be used for stuff like boot and a few programs at a time is completely useless

the benefit of an SSD is having extremely fast access times to ANYTHING, not just one thing

games, files, music, videos, pictures, everything loads much faster

 

this is why people who buy a shitty 64GB SSD just to have a few seconds faster boot, or to have one programs that loads 2 seconds faster, are just wasting money

8GB is not enough to put 500GB of programs, games, files, and media on it.

Yeah its faster than a HDD, when accessing the miniscule 8GB of cache, but you dont even get to choose what goes on there

it chooses for you, which is stupid

 

And no, it is not faster than an SSD.

OF COURSE it's not faster than an SSD i never said it was and it also cost NOWHERE near an SSD either those are 1 and 2 TB harddrive that are like 20$ more than a standard HDD, and no you don't get to choose what goes on there it,s wise enough to do it on it's own, it will put windows boot files there, nvidia experience, MSI afterbuner, killer network, all your drivers and a couple stuff for the programs you use the most such as most likely firefox or chrome...it's very useful if you can't afford an SSD but also need 1TB of space or more.

i never said it was as fast or faster than an SSD i never will, it's not, that was not the point of my post.

 

For me personally i use it for games and movies and it's not my boot drive and it does not host any programs or anything so for me that feature is useless, but if it's the only drive you have, and you install your windows, programs and drivers on it it will help you quite a bit.

[Enderman]

OF COURSE it's not faster than an SSD i never said it was and it also cost NOWHERE near an SSD either those are 1 and 2 TB harddrive that are like 20$ more than a standard HDD, and no you don't get to choose what goes on there it,s wise enough to do it on it's own, it will put windows boot files there, nvidia experience, MSI afterbuner, killer network, all your drivers and a couple stuff for the programs you use the most such as most likely firefox or chrome...it's very useful if you can't afford an SSD but also need 1TB of space or more.

i never said it was as fast or faster than an SSD i never will, it's not, that was not the point of my post.

i think you need to reread your first post

 

that's not how it works..i know i have one. Only your first sentence make sense...everything else is wrong.

[i_build_nanosuits]

i think you need to reread your first post

i still miss to see where i said it was faster than an SSD.

 

For me personally i use it for games and movies and it's not my boot drive and it does not host any programs or anything so for me that feature is useless, but if it's the only drive you have, and you install your windows, programs and drivers on it it will help you quite a bit.

[S_S_D]

im better.

[Captain_WD]

~snip~

 

Hey there Vengeance_K1ng,

 

Hybrid or SSHD drives are basically regular drives with a small (usually 8GB) SSD portion used for caching. The drive has its own algorithm that decides what is mostly used on the system and stores its files on the SSD portion for faster loading and a bit better performance. Everything else that is left out runs at a regular speed. 

SSDs on the other hand have instant access times and great transfer speeds on all files on the drive and  provide much better performance compared to any HDD or SSHD. I would rather go with a SSD + HDD combination if you are able to.  

 

Captain_WD.

[Cory_plays_games]

wrong - a 1TB SSHD has 931GB of HDD storage with 8GB of Flash cache

 

O ok sorry for spreading false info.