Build for AutoCAD

[Guest]

OK, so my friend asked me for a PC that could 3D render and run AutoCAD well and I need help with the CPU. He is on a budget of $500AUD. Repeat: this is being built within Australia. Do not take me to the US PCPartPicker site. So: budget of $500, he wants a small build (mini ITX), 16gb of RAM and a 1TB HDD. If there is any money left over, I will probably get him an SSD as well.

 

Here is the current build:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($118.00 @ IJK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($68.00 @ IJK)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case  ($57.00 @ CPL Online)
Total: $243.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-11 09:35 AEDT+1100

 

Once again: this is in Australian Dollars.

[Streetguru]

OK, so my friend asked me for a PC that could 3D render and run AutoCAD well and I need help with the CPU. He is on a budget of $500AUD. Repeat: this is being built within Australia. Do not take

The budget for the entire build is 500 AUD?

[Guest]

The budget for the entire build is 500 AUD?

Yes...he has the OS, monitor and the mouse & keyboard

[Streetguru]

Yes...he has the OS, monitor and the mouse & keyboard

Can he live without a case....the 8320 is going to be about the lowest cost CPU for productivity

the lowest cost i5 I'm seeing is for $270, probably not worth it over the FX 8 core

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56400

[PCPartPicker part list](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/QM8KwP) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/QM8KwP/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price

:----|:----|:----

**CPU** | [AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd8320frhkbox) | $218.00 @ CPL Online

**Motherboard** | [MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-970ag43) | $109.00 @ CPL Online

**Memory** | [G.Skill Value Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f310600cl9s8gbnt) | $59.00 @ IJK

**Storage** | [Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) | $69.00 @ Centre Com

**Video Card** | [Gigabyte Radeon HD 5450 1GB Video Card](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr5451gi) | $30.00 @ Umart

**Power Supply** | [EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr) | $72.00 @ CPL Online

 | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |

 | **Total** | **$557.00**

 | Generated by [PCPartPicker](http://pcpartpicker.com) 2015-11-11 11:36 AEDT+1100 |

Also  hard drives cost maybe 20-30% more, but power supply cost 50% more relatively speaking, yall got a weird situation down there

[Guest]

Can he live without a case....the 8320 is going to be about the lowest cost CPU for productivity

the lowest cost i5 I'm seeing is for $270, probably not worth it over the FX 8 core

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56400

[PCPartPicker part list](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/QM8KwP) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/QM8KwP/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price

:----|:----|:----

**CPU** | [AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd8320frhkbox) | $218.00 @ CPL Online

**Motherboard** | [MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-970ag43) | $109.00 @ CPL Online

**Memory** | [G.Skill Value Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f310600cl9s8gbnt) | $59.00 @ IJK

**Storage** | [Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) | $69.00 @ Centre Com

**Video Card** | [Gigabyte Radeon HD 5450 1GB Video Card](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr5451gi) | $30.00 @ Umart

**Power Supply** | [EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr) | $72.00 @ CPL Online

 | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |

 | **Total** | **$557.00**

 | Generated by [PCPartPicker](http://pcpartpicker.com) 2015-11-11 11:36 AEDT+1100 |

Also  hard drives cost maybe 20-30% more, but power supply cost 50% more relatively speaking, yall got a weird situation down there

Yeah...weird...probably need around 12-16gb of ram

[Streetguru]

Yeah...weird...probably need around 12-16gb of ram

He's probably looking more towards a 600 build a minimum

[Guest]

Can he live without a case....the 8320 is going to be about the lowest cost CPU for productivity

the lowest cost i5 I'm seeing is for $270, probably not worth it over the FX 8 core

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56400

[PCPartPicker part list](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/QM8KwP) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/QM8KwP/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price

:----|:----|:----

**CPU** | [AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd8320frhkbox) | $218.00 @ CPL Online

**Motherboard** | [MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-970ag43) | $109.00 @ CPL Online

**Memory** | [G.Skill Value Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f310600cl9s8gbnt) | $59.00 @ IJK

**Storage** | [Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) | $69.00 @ Centre Com

**Video Card** | [Gigabyte Radeon HD 5450 1GB Video Card](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr5451gi) | $30.00 @ Umart

**Power Supply** | [EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply](http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr) | $72.00 @ CPL Online

 | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |

 | **Total** | **$557.00**

 | Generated by [PCPartPicker](http://pcpartpicker.com) 2015-11-11 11:36 AEDT+1100 |

Also  hard drives cost maybe 20-30% more, but power supply cost 50% more relatively speaking, yall got a weird situation down there

Whar about a 6300??

[Streetguru]

Whar about a 6300??

It's not worth it, since the socket is pretty much at the end of it's life, it's better just to spend the cash and get the highest end CPU for it, well get the 8 core for it anyways

I'd maybe look and see if you can find any used like RAM, or literally any video card, since you just need to get video output for the motherboard, maybe a cheap case as well, dunno the used market over there

[Guest]

It's not worth it, since the socket is pretty much at the end of it's life, it's better just to spend the cash and get the highest end CPU for it, well get the 8 core for it anyways

I'd maybe look and see if you can find any used like RAM, or literally any video card, since you just need to get video output for the motherboard, maybe a cheap case as well, dunno the used market over there

What about this?

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($155.00 @ Centre Com)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($89.00 @ Centre Com)

Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($119.00 @ CPL Online)

Storage: Transcend  128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.00 @ PCCaseGear)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($68.00 @ IJK)

Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 5450 1GB Video Card  ($30.00 @ Umart)

Case: Zalman ZM-T4 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($39.00 @ Mwave Australia)

Power Supply: *Antec Basiq 350W ATX Power Supply  ($45.00 @ CPL Online)

Total: $614.00

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-11 12:34 AEDT+1100

[Streetguru]

What about this?

I'd drop the SSD and get an 8320

Otherwise that power supply is going to be a fire hazzard, you want something that's 80+ bronze rated or higher.

[Guest]

I'd drop the SSD and get an 8320

Otherwise that power supply is going to be a fire hazzard, you want something that's 80+ bronze rated or higher.

80+ bronze isn't that bad. I have an 80+ bronze power supply that was built in to the case...that's not too bad

[Guest]

 

 

I'd drop the SSD and get an 8320

Otherwise that power supply is going to be a fire hazzard, you want something that's 80+ bronze rated or higher.

Just realised, he said he wanted to run revit, not AutoCAD. Maybe I could use the 6300?? and maybe the quadro or firepro

[stconquest]

I would start with a single stick of 8GB (because of budget), unless your friend knows for sure he/she will be working with more than 2B polygons at a time.

 

This makes a good argument for the FX 8XXX, but your budget won't:  http://themadcadder.blogs.com/my_weblog/2013/05/is-revit-2014-muli-threaded.html

 

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Is Revit 2014 Muli-threaded

Is Revit 2014 multi-threaded? Answer = YES

It has been multi-threaded for many versions on the following features:

• Vector printing
• 2D Vector Export such as DWG and DWF
• Rendering (4 Core Limitation lifted in Revit
  2011)
• Wall Joins representation in plans and
  sections
• Element Loading. Loading elements into
  memory is multi-threaded, reducing view open times when elements are displayed
  for the first time in the session.
• Parallel computation of silhouette edges
  (outlines of a curved surfaces) in perspective 3D views. Engaged when opening
  views, changing view properties, and navigating the view and will be more
  noticeable as the number and complexity of curved surfaces increases.
• Translation of high level graphicalrepresentation of model elements and annotations into display lists optimized for given video card. Engaged when opening views, changing view properties and will be more noticeable as the number and complexity of model elements
  increases.
• File Loading
• Point Cloud Data Overlay

There is no other software on the market where all built-in features will support multi-thread. In other words, there is no such thing as a true 100% multi-threaded software.

 

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Seems like GPU power will be the biggest issue... next to that horrid budget.

[Streetguru]

 

 

 

I'd drop the SSD and get an 8320

Otherwise that power supply is going to be a fire hazzard, you want something that's 80+ bronze rated or higher.

Just realised, he said he wanted to run revit, not AutoCAD. Maybe I could use the 6300?? and maybe the quadro or firepro

 

You have 0 chance of fitting any modern workstation GPU into this budget really

[Guest]

You have 0 chance of fitting any modern workstation GPU into this budget really

Yeah...only just realised...I dont think he needs the 8320, hes on a budget. I was looking at an athlon, but nobody in Australia seems to sell them any more. So I ended with the 6300. This should be plenty of cores for Revit

 

Here's the build:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($155.00 @ Centre Com) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($89.00 @ Centre Com) 

Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($119.00 @ CPL Online) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($68.00 @ IJK) 

Case: Zalman ZM-T4 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($39.00 @ Mwave Australia) 

Power Supply: *Antec Basiq 350W ATX Power Supply  ($45.00 @ CPL Online) 

Total: $515.00

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-11 15:45 AEDT+1100

[Streetguru]

 

Yeah...only just realised...I dont think he needs the 8320, hes on a budget. I was looking at an athlon, but nobody in Australia seems to sell them any more. So I ended with the 6300. This

That PSU is still going to catch fire sometime, I'd maybe get 8gbs of RAM for now, and get an 80 plus PSU, even if it's the cheapest one.

[Guest]

That PSU is still going to catch fire sometime, I'd maybe get 8gbs of RAM for now, and get an 80 plus PSU, even if it's the cheapest one.

Whats wrong with the PSU?? I have an 80+ Bronze PSu that was built into the case and it works perfectly fine

[Guest]

 

I would start with a single stick of 8GB (because of budget), unless your friend knows for sure he/she will be working with more than 2B polygons at a time.

 

This makes a good argument for the FX 8XXX, but your budget won't:  http://themadcadder.blogs.com/my_weblog/2013/05/is-revit-2014-muli-threaded.html

 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Is Revit 2014 Muli-threaded

Is Revit 2014 multi-threaded? Answer = YES

It has been multi-threaded for many versions on the following features:

• Vector printing
• 2D Vector Export such as DWG and DWF
• Rendering (4 Core Limitation lifted in Revit

  2011)

• Wall Joins representation in plans and

  sections

• Element Loading. Loading elements into

  memory is multi-threaded, reducing view open times when elements are displayed

  for the first time in the session.

• Parallel computation of silhouette edges

  (outlines of a curved surfaces) in perspective 3D views. Engaged when opening

  views, changing view properties, and navigating the view and will be more

  noticeable as the number and complexity of curved surfaces increases.

• Translation of high level graphicalrepresentation of model elements and annotations into display lists optimized for given video card. Engaged when opening views, changing view properties and will be more noticeable as the number and complexity of model elements

  increases.

• File Loading
• Point Cloud Data Overlay

There is no other software on the market where all built-in features will support multi-thread. In other words, there is no such thing as a true 100% multi-threaded software.

 

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Seems like GPU power will be the biggest issue... next to that horrid budget.

 

OK so what would you suggest with that budget??

[Streetguru]

Whats wrong with the PSU?? I have an 80+ Bronze PSu that was built into the case and it works perfectly fine

The power supply you have in the build isn't 80 plus certified, which means the components in it won't be the most reliable potentially, for most like little office PCs it will work fine, but your build is going to be used for some heavy lifting, as such the PSU is going to be stressed, so if you have a cheap power supply it may not last, or at worst it'll kill the PC

Generally 80 plus on a PSU means it has reasonable components rather than a lottery essentially

[stconquest]

OK so what would you suggest with that budget??

 

Ugh, I can't suggest really.  I mean $500 USD would be tough... $250-$300 USD is what you are really trying to do.  You are not going to have a great 3d modeling experience at this price range.  

 

I tried.  I just could not confidently suggest any build... sorry. 

 

I can however suggest that your friend wait and save up some money for a few months.

[Guest]

The power supply you have in the build isn't 80 plus certified, which means the components in it won't be the most reliable potentially, for most like little office PCs it will work fine, but your build is going to be used for some heavy lifting, as such the PSU is going to be stressed, so if you have a cheap power supply it may not last, or at worst it'll kill the PC

Generally 80 plus on a PSU means it has reasonable components rather than a lottery essentially

Sorry...never actually realised that it wasn't certified...will change it now

[Guest]

Ugh, I can't suggest really.  I mean $500 USD would be tough... $250-$300 USD is what you are really trying to do.  You are not going to have a great 3d modeling experience at this price range.  

 

I tried.  I just could not confidently suggest any build... sorry. 

 

I can however suggest that your friend wait and save up some money for a few months.

 

 

The power supply you have in the build isn't 80 plus certified, which means the components in it won't be the most reliable potentially, for most like little office PCs it will work fine, but your build is going to be used for some heavy lifting, as such the PSU is going to be stressed, so if you have a cheap power supply it may not last, or at worst it'll kill the PC

Generally 80 plus on a PSU means it has reasonable components rather than a lottery essentially

OK...so the price has changed...can we get a build that is good for autocad and all that stuff. The budget is $500-$1000AUD, but try to keep it around $500-$700

[LeoDiaz]

I'll see what I can do for a build, I use Cad software but I use and i7 Intel not and AMD. You need a minimum of 8gb but I recommend 16gb for most CAD software. I'll get back to u once I make a part list.

[LeoDiaz]

This is not as easy as it sounds everything so much more expensive in Australia can't keep it under $1000AUD.

[Prysin]

You have 0 chance of fitting any modern workstation GPU into this budget really

he should aim for a Firepro W7000 or W7100... those have the horsepower to truly power ANY type of CAD load...

 

if he cannot, get a Firepro W5100... although they cost some, it should be closer to his budget.

 

 

 

then again, strailia... overpriced as fuck

 

@

you know some good strailian shops with cheap ass Firepros?