What GPU for next-gen games?

[JoshM6789]

Hi, at the moment I am with a little 560 ti (which will still max a few games out haha!) and I want advice on what GPU to get for next-gen games? I'm planning on getting a PS4 as well so most games will be on PS4, but games like BF4 and Watch Dogs will be on PC! I want to get BF4 (PC) at launch but have a new gpu before, so I am ready to max it out the day I get it.... I know the real deal hasn't released yet but surely we have some idea of what will easily max it out?

Is the GTX 770 really worth it? It cost a bit over £300 in uk - 469$ ;). I've also looking at the 7970 as that is a bit cheaper here. But the problem of buying that, is that the next gen AMD cards will be released soon (announcement date idea?) So it would be kinda pants when I have a last gen card and every one is talking about 9970 or whatever it will be called... Also AMD have that games bundle that will include BF4 and other games. Which will be included with next gen cards?  Thanks  :P  :P  :P

[kotekking2]

Wait for HD 9xxx Series © @CoolBeans 

[Vitalius]

Get the 9970.

[Helltech]

Right now the 780 is the only cost effective option, but I'd wait till 9XXX series as well. 

[wtfxmitchell]

7970 or wat for the 9xxx series © @CoolBeans

[micedits]

With the new addition of never settle bundle and the huge drop in price for amd gpu's in the uk I think a 7950 or 7970 would be perfect and for some strange reason those two cards are still massive performers despite there age and generation behind nvidia. 

[JoshM6789]

Any rumors for 9970 release date or announcement?  :D

[Pumba217]

Wait for the new AMD cards, you'll have more options at your disposal plus better pricing by the looks of things.

[Thibaudv]

 

Any rumors for 9970 release date or announcement?  :D

 

There's a 90% chance BF4 will be bundled with that card, so I'd buy that one :p

[Cryptonite]

Right now the 780 is the only cost effective option, but I'd wait till 9XXX series as well. 

hah, it may be cost effective in some countries, over here it's 

9200 South African Rand equals

904.400 US Dollar

for the cheapest one which is the EVGA 3gig

http://www.comx-computers.co.za/03G-P4-2784-KR-EVGA-ACX-nVidia-GeForce-GTX-780-3GB-Buy-p-77760.php

 

 

 

[Helltech]

 

hah, it may be cost effective in some countries, over here it's 

9200 South African Rand equals

904.400 US Dollar

for the cheapest one which is the EVGA 3gig

http://www.comx-computers.co.za/03G-P4-2784-KR-EVGA-ACX-nVidia-GeForce-GTX-780-3GB-Buy-p-77760.php

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah... well the only other "next-gen" GPU there is is the Titan, which I'm sure is more so..

 

I don't consider anything that isn't the 780 or Titan "next-gen" currently. 

[Villain]

Yeah... well the only other "next-gen" GPU there is is the Titan, which I'm sure is more so..

 

I don't consider anything that isn't the 780 or Titan "next-gen" currently. 

 

Considering the consoles GPU is similar in power to a 7770/7790, I would consider a lot of GPU's "next-gen".

[Helltech]

Considering the consoles GPU is similar in power to a 7770/7790, I would consider a lot of GPU's "next-gen".

 

Next gen for pc =/= next gen for consoles. It never has been. Example Crysis 1 for PC and Crysis 1 for Consoles. Comparing GPU capabilities between a console that runs at 1080p at 30 fps, and a computer which can run at 7680x1600 with max settings at 60 fps, big difference. 

[Checkitman22]

Considering the consoles GPU is similar in power to a 7770/7790, I would consider a lot of GPU's "next-gen".

 

 

pretty sure we are talking about computer though.... not consoles. console graphics performance has never related to pc graphics performance. ala crysis 1, crysis 3, metro 2033, far car 3, etc etc. consoles can run those game, but it takes / took a far more powerful computer than a console to do the same (of course with added benefits such as better details, higher textures, higher resolutions, higher frame rates). Example;

 

Example, Metro Last Light is on Xbox 360 (current gen)... good luck running that game well with a 7770 as you say (and we are talking current gen not even next-gen);

 

A 7850 barely runs it at 30FPS

 

[eshbop]

Current gen games are playable on current gen GPUs, as long as resolutions aren't extreme or settings cranked in some cases (costing more and more performance for only smaller and smaller increments in render quality the higher you crank them) or the game isn't trying to be Crysis 3.

 

7970 is awesome value ATM and I'd be more comfortable with it's memory bandwidth and size over a 770's for playing next gen games. Given what they've been doing you'd imagine AMD will price the 9000 pretty aggressively, making the 780 an expensive card until Nvidia responses. Also, you never know what new technologies AMD might introduce and, yeah, Linus hinted at some big titles for future Never Settle, but you'll probably be paying more (for equal performance when compared to a 7000 series) for a 9000 series card lessening the value of the free games.

 

A 7970 will last a while, I'm still happily using a 6950, though that's been between consoles and you'd imagine devs will make use of the hardware headroom on next-gen consoles (and it's a huge jump going from this-gen to next-gen), which will translate to PC.

[Villain]

Next gen for pc =/= next gen for consoles. It never has been. Example Crysis 1 for PC and Crysis 1 for Consoles. Comparing GPU capabilities between a console that runs at 1080p at 30 fps, and a computer which can run at 7680x1600 with max settings at 60 fps, big difference. 

 

You're assuming a PC player required that resolution and frame-rate, which most do not. The only reason a console would perform differently to a PC with similar specs is because of the optimization and lowering many graphical capabilities the game has. Considering next-gen consoles will have the same architecture as a PC, the ports will be better optimized and perform similarly to the consoles. If you can deal with 30fps like consoles have, any high end 7800/7900 and 600/700 series card will very likely be able to achieve the same frame-rate in any game released beyond the consoles release.

[Villain]

pretty sure we are talking about computer though.... not consoles. console graphics performance has never related to pc graphics performance. ala crysis 1, crysis 3, metro 2033, far car 3, etc etc. consoles can run those game, but it takes / took a far more powerful computer than a console to do the same (of course with added benefits such as better details, higher textures, higher resolutions, higher frame rates). Example;

 

Example, Metro Last Light is on Xbox 360 (current gen)... good luck running that game well with a 7770 as you say (and we are talking current gen not even next-gen);

 

A 7850 barely runs it at 30FPS

 

 

 

What graphical settings were these benchmarks used? A PS4/Xbox One wouldn't be playing that game at very high or even high settings, they would run the game at 720p or dumb it down to perform at a solid 30fps.

[Cryptonite]

Yeah... well the only other "next-gen" GPU there is is the Titan, which I'm sure is more so..

 

I don't consider anything that isn't the 780 or Titan "next-gen" currently. 

even though the 690 is a dual gpu I think it's worth the $200 more than the 780 that it's priced here as the titan is $400-500 more expensive than the 780.

http://www.comx-computers.co.za/computer-hardware.php?cat=307&page=8

the reason I'm listing these guys all the time is because they are the cheapest with contracts to all the major suppliers in SA and since I got access to suppliers pricelists for my company I know they are quite cheap for consumers.

 

 

pretty sure we are talking about computer though.... not consoles. console graphics performance has never related to pc graphics performance. ala crysis 1, crysis 3, metro 2033, far car 3, etc etc. consoles can run those game, but it takes / took a far more powerful computer than a console to do the same (of course with added benefits such as better details, higher textures, higher resolutions, higher frame rates). Example;

 

Example, Metro Last Light is on Xbox 360 (current gen)... good luck running that game well with a 7770 as you say (and we are talking current gen not even next-gen);

 

A 7850 barely runs it at 30FPS

 

what CPU was used? what are the settings at? 1920 x 1080 could mean a lot of things, keep in mind that gaming will see an improvement with the next gen coming even if everyone disagrees with me I will still state this because multicores are starting to be used more optimally, you can clearly see this in metro 2033 and crysis 3. graphics cards used to be the bottleneck while cpus were not used to their max potential, windows 8.1 brings direct x 11.2 which could impact the market even more. Technology doesn't have a single direction it can progress towards like in the past, a lot of options are getting a lot of improvement so really these statements are speculations and not fact.

[Vitalius]

What graphical settings were these benchmarks used? A PS4/Xbox One wouldn't be playing that game at very high or even high settings, they would run the game at 720p or dumb it down to perform at a solid 30fps.

Based on what I have read, the PS4 at least will either run games at 720p at 60FPS at Medium details (PC equivalent) or 1080p at 30FPS at Medium Details. Either or. Depends on the game.

[Cryptonite]

Based on what I have read, the PS4 at least will either run games at 720p at 60FPS at Medium details (PC equivalent) or 1080p at 30FPS at Medium Details. Either or. Depends on the game.

that isn't very good though and basically confirms that a 780 won't be necessary for next gen gaming.

[Vitalius]

that isn't very good though and basically confirms that a 780 won't be necessary for next gen gaming.

You seem to be missing the part where PC's and Consoles are almost the exact same thing at this point. Porting will be much better for games and I fully expect games to be much more graphic intensive as the next generation consoles get here. In other words, the consoles will not hinder the PC's gaming graphical advancement.

[Cryptonite]

You seem to be missing the part where PC's and Consoles are almost the exact same thing at this point. Porting will be much better for games and I fully expect games to be much more graphic intensive as the next generation consoles get here. In other words, the consoles will not hinder the PC's gaming graphical advancement.

it is because I know this fact that I am stating that you will not require something as intense as a 780 to be playing games around the same level as consoles or even better.

[eshbop]

that isn't very good though and basically confirms that a 780 won't be necessary for next gen gaming.

Not necessary, but helpful and gives some piece of mind.

 

Greater and greater optimisation have been needed for 360 and Ps3 games to look like they do today. The new consoles will give devs hardware which PC's equivalent is capable of running modern games fairly well, accounting for optimizations, the essentially non-limiting amount of vRAM and easier development than last gen consoles (meaning all aspects of games can pushed further for the given hardware), I see next-gen games being pretty taxing on PCs, maybe not right at launch but it will happen. Even using Blu-ray allows for more and higher quality content.

 

Higher res textures, draw distances, all CPU calculated aspects of games, particle effects, greater tessellation. All been held back by 360 and PS3 hardware and to some extent translates to most PC versions of games. Consoles have always held back development on PCs, the new consoles will only loosen that hold.

[Cryptonite]

Not necessary, but helpful and gives piece of mind. Greater and greater optimisation have been needed for 360 and Ps3 games to look like they do today, the new consoles give devs sooo much more headroom to work with and accounting for optimization and being easier to dev on than last gen (all meaning all aspects of games can pushed further for the given hardware), I see next-gen games being pretty taxing on PCs, maybe not at launch but it will happen. Even running games off Blu-ray instead of DVD allows for more or higher quality content. Consoles have always held back development on PC's, the new consoles only loosen the hold.

it's like you're all stuck in the mindset of computers software development standing still and that harware is being taxed to the max at the moment and that console multi core optimization won't help pc performance at all (the problem with ports like GTA IV was the fact that consoles differed so much from computers in architecture and that cost performance what the hell are you all thinking?). I'm starting to wonder what I'm doing on these threads since people here all have exactly the same mind set and are bent on staying within that mindset.

 

keep in mind the reason metro 2033 and metro last light struggles on computers is because it is a crap port however it does show multi core progress.

if you thought they were the games with the best graphics out there you were horribly mistaken and should re-evaluate.

[eshbop]

it's like you're all stuck in the mindset of computers software development standing still and that harware is being taxed to the max at the moment and that console multi core optimization won't help pc performance at all (the problem with ports like GTA IV was the fact that consoles differed so much from computers in architecture and that cost performance what the hell are you all thinking?). I'm starting to wonder what I'm doing on these threads since people here all have exactly the same mind set and are bent on staying within that mindset.

 

keep in mind the reason metro 2033 and metro last light struggles on computers is because it is a crap port however it does show multi core progress.

if you thought they were the games with the best graphics out there you were horribly mistaken and should re-evaluate.

Right, hadn't thought of it like that.

 

All I'm saying is that it will allow devs to produce games that are more taxing for consoles which will translates to PC versions. Similarities between architectures will probably mean that performance hits from terrible coding won't be a thing, but that will only allow more compute power to be put towards graphics quality, rather than making up for a shitty port. I'm sure someone wants to be the first to release a game with real time rendered CGI-like graphics and in a world when games aren't differentiating hugely from the one that came before them, prettier graphics seem be a selling point.