Ultimate APU builds?

[Nena Trinity]

PC Build Guide - Ultimate AMD APU!: (600-700$)

*AMD A10-7870K APU (can use dual graphics with Radeon R7 250!)

*Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo / Cooler Master Seidon 120V (optional!)

*MSI A88XM-Gaming, Socket-FM2+ (warning: may require BIOS update?)

*G.Skill Trident X Series 2400MHz CL9 4GB (x2) (this motherboard can not use anything above 2400MHz)

*Samsung 850 Evo 250GB SSD 2.5” / Samsung 850 Evo 500GB SSD 2.5”

*XFX TS Gold, 550W PSU

 

PC Build Guide - Ultimate Intel APU?: (850-950$)

*Intel Core i5-5675C CPU

*Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo / Cooler Master Seidon 120V (optional!)

*MSI Z97M-Gaming, Socket-1150

*G.Skill Trident X Series 2400MHz CL9 4GB (x2) (or better? 3000MHz is supported!) http://linustechtips...r3-ram-guide-3/ (all you need to know about RAM!)

*Samsung 850 Evo 250GB SSD 2.5” / Samsung 850 Evo 500GB SSD 2.5”

*XFX TS Gold, 550W PSU

 

Alternate RAM: 2800MHz CL11!

http://www.teamgroupinc.com/en/product/MEMORYMODULES/OVERCLOCKING/DDR3/Xtreem%20DDR3%202800

 

More here! :3

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/427926-basic-builds-for-those-who-need-help/

[The_Spartan74]

You should go for the amd, because 1) they have better APU  2) like you said dual graphiques

 

BUT 

 

If you use amd, and later add a gpu it might bottleneck it, but it will need to be a very powerful gpu 

[Rolling Potatoe]

APU builds never work, the IGPU alone is weak and if you spend money to corssfire it with a low end (bad price/performance) gpu and expensive fast ddr3

you are always better of buying a 80$ cpu and a r9 270 or so for way better performance.....

[Nena Trinity]

You should go for the amd, because 1) they have better APU  2) like you said dual graphiques

 

BUT 

 

If you use amd, and later add a gpu it might bottleneck it, but it will need to be a very powerful gpu 

APUs can max handle a R9 380 and that is pushing it!

 

APU builds never work, the IGPU alone is weak and if you spend money to corssfire it with a low end (bad price/performance) gpu and expensive fast ddr3

you are always better of buying a 80$ cpu and a r9 270 or so for way better performance.....

True but flat case with no room for GPU? Or only room for a low GPU!

[jimakos234]

I think it is wrong not getting a dedicated gpu in that price range, unless we are talking about servers, but we have to admit that iris pro graphics

are better than amds, as many benchmarks showed.

[Nena Trinity]

I think it is wrong not getting a dedicated gpu in that price range, unless we are talking about servers, but we have to admit that iris pro graphics

are better than amds, as many benchmarks showed.

Also its motherboard support 3000MHz RAM!

[Dabombinable]

 

PC Build Guide - Ultimate AMD APU!: (600-700$)

*AMD A10-7870K APU (can use dual graphics with Radeon R7 250!)

*Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo / Cooler Master Seidon 120V (optional!)

*MSI A88XM-Gaming, Socket-FM2+ (warning: may require BIOS update?)

*G.Skill Trident X Series 2400MHz CL9 4GB (x2) (this motherboard can not use anything above 2400MHz)

*Samsung 850 Evo 250GB SSD 2.5” / Samsung 850 Evo 500GB SSD 2.5”

*XFX TS Gold, 550W PSU

 

PC Build Guide - Ultimate Intel APU?: (850-950$)

*Intel Core i5-5675C CPU

*Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo / Cooler Master Seidon 120V (optional!)

*MSI Z97M-Gaming, Socket-1150

*G.Skill Trident X Series 2400MHz CL9 4GB (x2) (or better? 3000MHz is supported!) http://linustechtips...r3-ram-guide-3/

*Samsung 850 Evo 250GB SSD 2.5” / Samsung 850 Evo 500GB SSD 2.5”

*XFX TS Gold, 550W PSU

 

More here! :3

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/427926-basic-builds-for-those-who-need-help/

The i5's iGPU isn't that much weaker if at all (drivers are a problem at times). The i5 has more features. The CPU itself outclasses the APU. The i5 is far better in games with a dGPU. Yeah its price actually makes sense. Also you could go with a different motherboard that's also cheaper-Broadwell still has the FIVR.

[Nena Trinity]

The i5's iGPU isn't that much weaker. The i5 has more features. The CPU itself outclasses the APU. The i5 is far better in games with a dGPU. Yeah its price actually makes sense. Also you could go with a different motherboard that's also cheaper-Broadwell still has the FIVR.

But then you cannot enjoy 2400-3000MHz RAM I did consider the MSI B85M Gaming also!

[Prysin]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A10-7870K 3.9GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($135.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Nepton 240M 76.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($103.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88M PRO3+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard  ($56.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2800 Memory  ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston Predator 240GB PCI-E Solid State Drive  ($221.29 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($40.00 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($73.81 @ Mac Mall)
Total: $762.06
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-19 08:14 EDT-0400

 

This mobo can handle up to 3200MHz

Whether or not the APU will run the memory at that speed is unkown.... probably have to increase the voltage for the MC a little.

[Prysin]

Also, RAM speed does not matter that much with Broadwell due to its eDRAM on chip. The 128MB buffer makes sure that even slightly slower ram will have little impact on actual performance.

[Dabombinable]

But then you cannot enjoy 2400-3000MHz RAM I did consider the MSI B85M Gaming also!

You don't need fast RAM with Intel's CPU. And there are cheaper Z97 motherboards as well-you need to stop deliberately skewing things to suit your views.

[Nena Trinity]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A10-7870K 3.9GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($135.99 @ NCIX US)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Nepton 240M 76.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($103.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: ASRock FM2A88M PRO3+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard  ($56.99 @ Amazon)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2800 Memory  ($129.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Kingston Predator 240GB PCI-E Solid State Drive  ($221.29 @ Amazon)

Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($40.00 @ NCIX US)

Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($73.81 @ Mac Mall)

Total: $762.06

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-19 08:14 EDT-0400

 

This mobo can handle up to 3200MHz

Whether or not the APU will run the memory at that speed is unkown.... probably have to increase the voltage for the MC a little.

Its page says 2133MHz but people say it goes over so hard to tell...

 

Also, RAM speed does not matter that much with Broadwell due to its eDRAM on chip. The 128MB buffer makes sure that even slightly slower ram will have little impact on actual performance.

Hmm that sounds cool!

 

You don't need fast RAM with Intel's CPU. And there are cheaper Z97 motherboards as well-you need to stop deliberately skewing things to suit your views.

Skewing? Says you! You are the biggest skewer on the forum!

[Prysin]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-5675C 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($363.72 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($19.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI CSM-H87M-G43 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($68.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory  ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($159.98 @ OutletPC)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($38.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Antec Green 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Directron)
Total: $851.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-19 09:20 EDT-0400

 

this setup would wreck the AMD setup in iGPU gaming. No matter how much you OC a 7870k, you aint catching up to this

[Prysin]

You don't need fast RAM with Intel's CPU. And there are cheaper Z97 motherboards as well-you need to stop deliberately skewing things to suit your views.

although you do not NEED it, faster RAM will help in other tasks... but price to performance wise, 1866 would be plenty. More then that is just wasting your money imo....

[Dabombinable]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-5675C 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($363.72 @ Amazon)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($19.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Asus GRYPHON Z87 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($139.89 @ OutletPC)

Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury White 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($44.49 @ SuperBiiz)

Storage: Kingston Predator 240GB PCI-E Solid State Drive  ($221.29 @ Amazon)

Case: Fractal Design Core 2500 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ NCIX US)

Power Supply: Antec Green 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Directron)

Total: $869.26

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-19 09:09 EDT-0400

 

this setup would wreck the AMD setup in iGPU gaming. No matter how much you OC a 7870k, you aint catching up to this

Dat PCIe SSD.....

[Prysin]

Dat PCIe SSD.....

did some remodeling of the setup... 850Evo will be enough... instead, ill run with a 24GB RAMDISK... cuz... when 2500MB/s read speeds isnt enough, you just gotta take that one step further.

 

(i have a 24GB RAMDISK myself... shit is ludicrous... load times is like, non existent)

[Nena Trinity]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-5675C 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($363.72 @ Amazon)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($19.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: MSI CSM-H87M-G43 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($68.99 @ NCIX US)

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory  ($159.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($159.98 @ OutletPC)

Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($38.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Power Supply: Antec Green 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Directron)

Total: $851.55

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-19 09:20 EDT-0400

 

this setup would wreck the AMD setup in iGPU gaming. No matter how much you OC a 7870k, you aint catching up to this

Depends on the game! (also there is a reason why it COST MORE!)

 

although you do not NEED it, faster RAM will help in other tasks... but price to performance wise, 1866 would be plenty. More then that is just wasting your money imo....

Actually faster RAM is not always more expensive RAM you know?!

 

did some remodeling of the setup... 850Evo will be enough... instead, ill run with a 24GB RAMDISK... cuz... when 2500MB/s read speeds isnt enough, you just gotta take that one step further.

 

(i have a 24GB RAMDISK myself... shit is ludicrous... load times is like, non existent)

That is insanely costly!

[Dabombinable]

did some remodeling of the setup... 850Evo will be enough... instead, ill run with a 24GB RAMDISK... cuz... when 2500MB/s read speeds isnt enough, you just gotta take that one step further.

 

(i have a 24GB RAMDISK myself... shit is ludicrous... load times is like, non existent)

I've only got a 4GB RAMDISK-and most of the time I have to disable it due to low available RAM-and I've got 16GB installed.

[Prysin]

Depends on the game! (also there is a reason why it COST MORE!)

No, no it does not. The Broadwell "APU" has more GPU horsepower in the first place. It doesnt matter, any game able to be played on the Broadwell iGPU will run faster then on AMD. and before you start crying about DX12, intel uses stream processors in their GPUs, just like AMD. So there is a high likelihood of Intel having somewhat OK compute (need proof though). So do not hold your breath in regards to DX12 gaming.

[Nena Trinity]

No, no it does not. The Broadwell "APU" has more GPU horsepower in the first place. It doesnt matter, any game able to be played on the Broadwell iGPU will run faster then on AMD. and before you start crying about DX12, intel uses stream processors in their GPUs, just like AMD. So there is a high likelihood of Intel having somewhat OK compute (need proof though). So do not hold your breath in regards to DX12 gaming.

Intel may do good on Vulkan but DX12 I am not to sure on the iGPU side...

[Dabombinable]

No, no it does not. The Broadwell "APU" has more GPU horsepower in the first place. It doesnt matter, any game able to be played on the Broadwell iGPU will run faster then on AMD. and before you start crying about DX12, intel uses stream processors in their GPUs, just like AMD. So there is a high likelihood of Intel having somewhat OK compute (need proof though). So do not hold your breath in regards to DX12 gaming.

Intel does have OpenCL enabled on their latest iGPU.

[Dabombinable]

Intel may do good on Vulkan but DX12 I am not to sure on the iGPU side...

The facts speak for themselves. The iGPU is around the performance of a 270X.

[Nena Trinity]

The facts speak for themselves. The iGPU is around the performance of a 270X.

The AMD one goes as fast as the RAM allows it to which means its held back but the Intel one may be more ok with slower RAM cause its 14nm and has more stuff inside!

[Prysin]

Intel may do good on Vulkan but DX12 I am not to sure on the iGPU side...

sometimes, you really do convince me that you got your brains stuck up somewhere..

 

first off...

Vulcan/DX12 -> same shit different envelope...

Vulcan is platform agnostic, while DX is Windows 10 only....

Vulcan and DX12 does practically the same things, they are low level APIs that allows for the usage of parrallell computing on GPUs alongside adressing specific parts of the GPU to handle different tasks.

[Nena Trinity]

sometimes, you really do convince me that you got your brains stuck up somewhere..

 

first off...

Vulcan/DX12 -> same shit different envelope...

Vulcan is platform agnostic, while DX is Windows 10 only....

Vulcan and DX12 does practically the same things, they are low level APIs that allows for the usage of parrallell computing on GPUs alongside adressing specific parts of the GPU to handle different tasks.

Nope not same thing... Much alike yes but not same!