Who's gunna watch the debates today/tonight?

[themaniac]

im confused please give me a link to this debate

[othertomperson]

Ehh, he's alright. Better him than Ed Miliband anyway.

 

I dunno. I never heard Ed Miliband talking about how much he wanted to censor the Internet and scorn "British Society" for just letting law-abiding people get on with their lives without state interference...

 

But you know he had a nasally voice and his dad was a Lefty so that's all the news media cared about.

[marldorthegreat]

I'm going to sit here and cry because David Cameron is a thing. 

One of our best prime ministers, who has pushed Britain into an era of economic and political development, with one of the fastest growing economies in the world. He has cut taxes, cut benefits, and made work pay. He is giving the british people a choice with europe, and promoting change. He has been in power through hard times, and we are now recovering faster that any european country

[marldorthegreat]

I dunno. I never heard Ed Miliband talking about how much he wanted to censor the Internet and scorn "British Society" for just letting law-abiding people get on with their lives without state interference...

 

But you know he had a nasally voice and his dad was a Lefty so that's all the news media cared about.

David cameron does not want to "cencor" the internet, they want the powers to be able to stop the radicalizing of British Citizens

[othertomperson]

David cameron does not want to "cencor" the internet, they want the powers to be able to stop the radicalizing of British Citizens

 

And how, exactly, would you police this Thought Crime? The whole issue is that he wants to Minority Report style go after people before they've actually committed a crime. That's fucking terrifying.

 

And the "censoring the internet" was different -- that was his crusade against porn involving women who look like they might be enjoying the escapade.

 

 

One of our best prime ministers, who has pushed Britain into an era of economic and political development, with one of the fastest growing economies in the world. He has cut taxes, cut benefits, and made work pay. He is giving the british people a choice with europe, and promoting change. He has been in power through hard times, and we are now recovering faster that any european country

 

Were you not paying attention? He inherited an economy out of recession in 2010, promptly put it back into recession and gave us the slowest recovery in our history. In economic terms the Conservatives are truly incompetent. At least I hope they are because some of their decisions have been so bad as to look almost like sabotage.

[Mug]

I dunno. I never heard Ed Miliband talking about how much he wanted to censor the Internet and scorn "British Society" for just letting law-abiding people get on with their lives without state interference...

But you know he had a nasally voice and his dad was a Lefty so that's all the news media cared about.

I got the impression that David Cameron was against state intervention, what with all the cutbacks of state services.

[Mug]

One of our best prime ministers, who has pushed Britain into an era of economic and political development, with one of the fastest growing economies in the world. He has cut taxes, cut benefits, and made work pay. He is giving the british people a choice with europe, and promoting change. He has been in power through hard times, and we are now recovering faster that any european country

Let's not laud cutting benefits here. Some people really depend on them so rather than applauding him for cutting benefits, we should applaud him for assisting job creation. It is not true that cutting benefits makes work pay (why did we see such prosperity in the years 1997-2007?) instead it forces people into jobs that they dislike, hence the productivity shortage. What we really need is to allow the benefit bill to go up but provide more means for people to get into work like education rather than impoverishing those who are not as fortunate as us. Arbitrary benefit caps are not good which is something that I really disagree with the conservative party on.

[Mug]

Were you not paying attention? He inherited an economy out of recession in 2010, promptly put it back into recession and gave us the slowest recovery in our history. In economic terms the Conservatives are truly incompetent. At least I hope they are because some of their decisions have been so bad as to look almost like sabotage.

That's not quite true. I have two good friends of mine who graduated recently with economics degrees (I graduated with computer science so I am no stranger to maths). Neither of them support the conservative party but both of them agree that they did a good job last time in government. Of course they did some bad things, but as Stalin once said, "You can't make an omelette without breaking an egg". I tend to agree which is why much to my dismay I voted Conservative in the election. I would like to keep my job please, and I would like my future children and grandchildren to have the opportunity of employment, as well as those less fortunate than us all.

It might surprise you though that I am a member of the Labour party which is strange that I voted tory. I suppose I should cancel it but I just want to vote on the leadership election. Then I will cancel, it's too expensive. They get enough funding from the unions to not need my 20 quid a year.

[othertomperson]

 

I got the impression that David Cameron was against state intervention, what with all the cutbacks of state services.

 

That's just it, isn't it? He's against state services and state jobs, but he's extremely authoritarian and very much pro the State in the Stalinist/Big Brother sense of the word.

 

That's not quite true. I have two good friends of mine who graduated recently with economics degrees (I graduated with computer science so I am no stranger to maths). Neither of them support the conservative party but both of them agree that they did a good job last time in government. Of course they did some bad things, but as Stalin once said, "You can't make an omelette without breaking an egg". I tend to agree which is why much to my dismay I voted Conservative in the election. I would like to keep my job please, and I would like my future children and grandchildren to have the opportunity of employment, as well as those less fortunate than us all.

It might surprise you though that I am a member of the Labour party which is strange that I voted tory. I suppose I should cancel it but I just want to vote on the leadership election. Then I will cancel, it's too expensive. They get enough funding from the unions to not need my 20 quid a year.

 

They made the economy better by making it much, much worse? It's taken us five years just to catch up to where we were... Their reaction to a complete lack of growth (which, btw, is an inevitable side-effect of austerity) was to manufacture another housing bubble in London. That's the reason the economy doesn't look like it's completely up the shitter any more. It's an extremely dodgy thing to rely on going forward.

[Mug]

That's just it, isn't it? He's against state services and state jobs, but he's extremely authoritarian and very much pro the State in the Stalinist/Big Brother sense of the word.

They made the economy better by making it much, much worse? It's taken us five years just to catch up to where we were... Their reaction to a complete lack of growth (which, btw, is an inevitable side-effect of austerity) was to manufacture another housing bubble in London. That's the reason the economy doesn't look like it's completely up the shitter any more. It's an extremely dodgy thing to rely on going forward.

We shall have to agree to disagree here because you think I'm fundamentally incorrect and I think you're fundamentally incorrect.

[marldorthegreat]

Let's not laud cutting benefits here. Some people really depend on them so rather than applauding him for cutting benefits, we should applaud him for assisting job creation. It is not true that cutting benefits makes work pay (why did we see such prosperity in the years 1997-2007?) instead it forces people into jobs that they dislike, hence the productivity shortage. What we really need is to allow the benefit bill to go up but provide more means for people to get into work like education rather than impoverishing those who are not as fortunate as us. Arbitrary benefit caps are not good which is something that I really disagree with the conservative party on.

People should not depend on them, they should get a job and work for it. Why should people who work, get paid less than someone who does not.

[Mug]

People should not depend on them, they should get a job and work for it. Why should people who work, get paid less than someone who does not.

The point of benefits is that you can depend on them though.

[Misanthrope]

I'm only watching one kind of debate tonight, and I'm definitely voting turnip.

[Picklenuttz]

Little comparison from last night

[marldorthegreat]

The point of benefits is that you can depend on them though.

But they should be only for people who CAN NOT work. Not fore people who CAN but chose not to. 

[Mug]

I have experience of the job market in the north and it's hard getting a job there. Should the people who don't have a job go hungry even when hey are looking for work?