$2.1k Designing/Modelling/Animating WS. Look good?

[Sadistic_Potato]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($389.99 @ Newegg) 

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($100.98 @ Newegg) 

Motherboard: MSI X99S SLI Plus ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($161.98 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Crucial 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($324.99 @ Adorama) 

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($190.98 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($44.99 @ Best Buy) 

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card  ($124.99 @ NCIX US) 

Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($117.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Power Supply: Corsair RM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($100.98 @ Newegg) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($91.71 @ NCIX US) 

Monitor: BenQ GW2765HT 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  ($387.99 @ NCIX US) 

Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm QuickFire TK Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($93.09 @ Amazon) 

Total: $2095.66

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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Will be used for Adobe and Autodesk products. Designing, video editing, modelling, animating, the lot. No gaming. 

 

EDIT: OK enough of the fuss with the GPU. This is a compromise. I use AE and Illustrator above Maya, and therefore got a build more specialised for that purpose. This is to be upgraded. GPU first. Maybe to a K2200. I'm sorry for being stubborn and not listening to what is still a valid point. 

 

I really apologise. Alright? All good? 

[Sir Asvald]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($389.99 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($100.98 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: MSI X99S SLI Plus ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($161.98 @ Newegg)

Memory: Crucial 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($324.99 @ Adorama)

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($190.98 @ Newegg)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Best Buy)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($124.99 @ NCIX US)

Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($117.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Power Supply: Corsair RM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($100.98 @ Newegg)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($91.71 @ NCIX US)

Monitor: BenQ GW2765HT 60Hz 27.0" Monitor ($387.99 @ NCIX US)

Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm QuickFire TK Wired Gaming Keyboard ($93.09 @ Amazon)

Total: $2095.66

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-19 12:37 EDT-0400

Will be used for Adobe and Autodesk products. Designing, video editing, modelling, animating, the lot. No gaming.

The 750 Ti is a mid range one, I would change for a single 980.

[CelebrityHotTub]

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($389.99 @ Newegg) 

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($100.98 @ Newegg) 

Motherboard: MSI X99S SLI Plus ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($161.98 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Crucial 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($324.99 @ Adorama) 

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($190.98 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($44.99 @ Best Buy) 

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card  ($124.99 @ NCIX US) 

Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($117.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Power Supply: Corsair RM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($100.98 @ Newegg) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($91.71 @ NCIX US) 

Monitor: BenQ GW2765HT 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  ($387.99 @ NCIX US) 

Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm QuickFire TK Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($93.09 @ Amazon) 

Total: $2095.66

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-19 12:37 EDT-0400

 

Will be used for Adobe and Autodesk products. Designing, video editing, modelling, animating, the lot. No gaming. 

 

 

Is there a budget available for a Quadro or at least one 980? That video card is extremely underwhelming in relation to the rest of your system.

[KirbyTech]

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($389.99 @ Newegg) 

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($100.98 @ Newegg) 

Motherboard: MSI X99S SLI Plus ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($161.98 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Crucial 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($324.99 @ Adorama) 

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($190.98 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($44.99 @ Best Buy) 

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card  ($124.99 @ NCIX US) 

Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($117.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Power Supply: Corsair RM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($100.98 @ Newegg) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($91.71 @ NCIX US) 

Monitor: BenQ GW2765HT 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  ($387.99 @ NCIX US) 

Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm QuickFire TK Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($93.09 @ Amazon) 

Total: $2095.66

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-19 12:37 EDT-0400

 

Will be used for Adobe and Autodesk products. Designing, video editing, modelling, animating, the lot. No gaming. 

 

The 750 ti is very under powered compared to the rest of your build, I would look at changing the cooler to something cheaper much cheaper. Evo 212 maybe? Then getting a better gpu. 970 is the cheapest one I would suggest, best to get 980 or a quadro if you need 10 bit or double precision. 

[Sadistic_Potato]

The 750 ti is very under powered compared to the rest of your build, I would look at changing the cooler to something cheaper much cheaper. Evo 212 maybe? Then getting a better gpu. 970 is the cheapest one I would suggest, best to get 980 or a quadro if you need 10 bit or double precision. 

 

 

Is there a budget available for a Quadro or at least one 980? That video card is extremely underwhelming in relation to the rest of your system.

 

The 750 Ti is a mid range one, I would change for a single 980.

 

Guys, I'm not gaming. 

 

Adobe and Autodesk use maybe less than 5% of the power required from the GPU, and I'm not GPU rendering. Premiere has CUDA encoding, but I don't use Premiere because it's way too buggy. 

 

If I had more money I'd keep investing in the CPU, honestly. Of course, if you can tell me sources where the GPU will truly help (no GPU rendering) in AE, PS, Illustrator, Maya, and 3DS Max, please let me know. 

[CelebrityHotTub]

Guys, I'm not gaming. 

 

Adobe and Autodesk use maybe less than 5% of the power required from the GPU, and I'm not GPU rendering. Premiere has CUDA encoding, but I don't use Premiere because it's way too buggy. 

 

If I had more money I'd keep investing in the CPU, honestly. Of course, if you can tell me sources where the GPU will truly help (no GPU rendering) in AE, PS, Illustrator, Maya, and 3DS Max, please let me know. 

 

I don't know what kind of info you've read. It will help in correctly displaying lines and graphics in all of these programs, not to mention quicken your workflow.

 

 

 

Links to help:

[Sadistic_Potato]

I don't know what kind of info you're read

 

 

It will help in correctly displaying lines and graphics in all of these programs, not to mention quicken your workflow.

 

Links to help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOcFBk6l7-o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Npt1BSF04

 

 

I'll be honest, I know what I'm getting, but I posted this here to see if LTT has the same exact misconception as PCPP. It does.

 

The GPU DOES NOT help for your typical designing environment, especially Adobe. If one is using Adobe software and only that, the GPU is something to display all the calculations the CPU made. That's it. It doesn't improve or accelerate the workflow, make the work area smoother in AE, nor help rendering in MentalRay which is a CPU-biased rendering software.

 

Maya or 3DS Max. Now I know Max uses more of the GPU in the viewport, but I don't really use it as much as Maya. With Maya, the only reason I'd need a Quadro is if I'm working with an extremely complicated model that has millions of polys in it, or extremely large and complicated textures on very large-scale models. For both, I need more VRAM so the CPU-calculated polys/textures can even be loaded on to the GPU to be displayed.

 

I don't use Octanerender, nor V-Ray RT. Those are GPU rendering software, and in this case multiple GPUs with LOTS OF CUDA and LOTS OF VRAM are necessary; not what gaming performance they give. For example, a 770 would perform better than a 970 in GPU rendering software, because it has more CUDA. 780 Ti would be better than a 980. I know Blender uses GPU cycles, but I use Maya. 

 

There are GPU compute workflows, or scientific modelling, or medicine structure analysis workflows which heavily use the GPU, but I don't do that.

[brob]

Guys, I'm not gaming. 

 

Adobe and Autodesk use maybe less than 5% of the power required from the GPU, and I'm not GPU rendering. Premiere has CUDA encoding, but I don't use Premiere because it's way too buggy. 

 

If I had more money I'd keep investing in the CPU, honestly. Of course, if you can tell me sources where the GPU will truly help (no GPU rendering) in AE, PS, Illustrator, Maya, and 3DS Max, please let me know. 

 

Photoshop uses the gpu to accelerate a number of functions, https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photoshop-cs6-gpu-faq1.html#GPU-enhanced%20features%20added%20in%20Photoshop%20CC%202014.

 

AE also uses the gpu for more than renders, http://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2012/05/gpu-cuda-opengl-features-in-after-effects-cs6.html.

 

Autodesk products do not typically use the gpu to accelerate functions. However, the gpu does affect how quickly work can be done.

 

You might want to consider EVGA 220-G2-0750-XR instead of the RM-650. It is a much better psu around the same price.

[CelebrityHotTub]

I'll be honest, I know what I'm getting, but I posted this here to see if LTT has the same exact misconception as PCPP. It does.

 

The GPU DOES NOT help for your typical designing environment, especially Adobe. If one is using Adobe software and only that, the GPU is something to display all the calculations the CPU made. That's it. It doesn't improve or accelerate the workflow, make the work area smoother in AE, nor help rendering in MentalRay which is a CPU-biased rendering software.

 

Maya or 3DS Max. Now I know Max uses more of the GPU in the viewport, but I don't really use it as much as Maya. With Maya, the only reason I'd need a Quadro is if I'm working with an extremely complicated model that has millions of polys in it, or extremely large and complicated textures on very large-scale models. For both, I need more VRAM so the CPU-calculated polys/textures can even be loaded on to the GPU to be displayed.

 

I don't use Octanerender, nor V-Ray RT. Those are GPU rendering software, and in this case multiple GPUs with LOTS OF CUDA and LOTS OF VRAM are necessary; not what gaming performance they give. For example, a 770 would perform better than a 970 in GPU rendering software, because it has more CUDA. 780 Ti would be better than a 980. I know Blender uses GPU cycles, but I use Maya. 

 

There are GPU compute workflows, or scientific modelling, or medicine structure analysis workflows which heavily use the GPU, but I don't do that.

 

 

I do the exact same work you're looking to do, and if I had a 750ti I'd be bloody miserable with how long everything is taking to display in the viewport. If you didn't want our advice, then you shouldn't have posted. I've used both a 780 and a Quadro and I've had so much more satisfaction with the Quadro since lines don't tear, I can quickly move around my models and I have a lot better output options, not to mention 10 bit colour for photoshop and touch-up work. But by all means, go with your 750ti if it will truly make you happy.

[Sadistic_Potato]

Photoshop uses the gpu to accelerate a number of functions, https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photoshop-cs6-gpu-faq1.html#GPU-enhanced%20features%20added%20in%20Photoshop%20CC%202014.

 

AE also uses the gpu for more than renders, http://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2012/05/gpu-cuda-opengl-features-in-after-effects-cs6.html.

 

Autodesk products do not typically use the gpu to accelerate functions. However, the gpu does affect how quickly work can be done.

 

You might want to consider EVGA 220-G2-0750-XR instead of the RM-650. It is a much better psu around the same price.

 

Ray-tracing is a very outdated form of 3D work in AE in case you didn't know. There's no point in using that because of C4D Lite. I use Element 3D for any 3D work anyway, and that's most definitely not GPU work. There's probably thousands of different features in AE, and the most 'general' forms of using AE (Compositing, Graphical Work) use shapes, shadows, various AE effects, etc. and the GPU is not involved in any one of them. 

 

I see Photoshop uses a bit of GPU for blurring, but that's about it. 

 

You see the pattern? The GPU might help. For around less than 5% of the actual workflow involved. Out of the thousands of features in Photoshop and AE, the way the GPU is used is little and in very specific workflows. The CPU does everything else. People don't seem to get that. Designing is not gaming. 

 

Checked JohnnyGuru for the PSU, and you are indeed right. Will switch over to that one. Never knew EVGA's G2 series was THIS good.

[brob]

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 People don't seem to get that. Designing is not gaming. 

...

 

Many of us do get it.

 

I do not understand why you have opted for a gaming gpu instead of a Quadro or FirePro.

[Sadistic_Potato]

I do the exact same work you're looking to do, and if I had a 750ti I'd be bloody miserable with how long everything is taking to display in the viewport. If you didn't want our advice, then you shouldn't have posted. I've used both a 780 and a Quadro and I've had so much more satisfaction with the Quadro since lines don't tear, I can quickly move around my models and I have a lot better output options, not to mention 10 bit colour for photoshop and touch-up work. But by all means, go with your 750ti if it will truly make you happy.

 

I right now have a laptop with HD4600 graphics w/ i5. As I'm learning more and more things, this bloody thing is not enough. It's extremely laggy first of all.

 

In Autodesk. I do get lag with this (remember that when I mention 'this,' it's the HD4600) from time to time, AE runs out of RAM all the time, Illustrator lags with everything I do on actual print resolutions. It's frustrating. I need a new computer. 

 

In Adobe, if anyone tells me to get a good GPU, it's not true. It just isn't. AE uses it for an ancient method of 3D rendering that's been surpassed be C4D Lite and Element 3D, and a few more features that have nothing to do with the compositing and designing that 90% of people will use it for. Photoshop uses the GPU for blurring. Illustrator doesn't use it except for showing it on my screen, because Vectors by definition are CPU calculations. 

 

Autodesk is the real hot potato. I've read from TomsHardware, Autodesk's own forum, PCPP, creativecow, and of course LTT, and I've literally read multiple conflicting info from absolutely everyone. There's the people like you guys in here that are saying the GPU is important. The staff here and the staff at the Autodesk official forums tell me that the CPU is the most important thing, along with RAM, and they've told me how important a good storage setup is. 

 

So the typical users everywhere tell me to build it somewhat like a gaming rig. The professionals and staff at LTT (I had a different rig for the same budget, and WoodenMarker, the forum moderator here helped me out to settle on these parts) forums agree with my opinions. What should I trust? 

 

I'm not here for an argument. As I said, I know what I'm getting, and I was curious to see if the misconception of "GPU is important for designing" exists in the LTT forums, just like in the PCPP forums. 

 

As I always say: Let's keep it civil. 

[Sadistic_Potato]

Many of us do get it.

 

I do not understand why you have opted for a gaming gpu instead of a Quadro or FirePro.

 

If I had more money, like a lot more money, I'd get a Quadro. K4200 preferably. I know how it actually smoothens up the viewport in Maya and especially 3DS Max, as architectural models are rather extremely large in scale and the textures are very complex. I sometimes go a little crazy in Maya while modelling, and then my poor laptop will just say "Nope."

 

The reason I chose the 750 Ti is because it has a decent amount of CUDA cores, and is the only decent nVidia GPU that has CUDA in my budget.

[KirbyTech]

Guys, I'm not gaming. 

 

Adobe and Autodesk use maybe less than 5% of the power required from the GPU, and I'm not GPU rendering. Premiere has CUDA encoding, but I don't use Premiere because it's way too buggy. 

 

If I had more money I'd keep investing in the CPU, honestly. Of course, if you can tell me sources where the GPU will truly help (no GPU rendering) in AE, PS, Illustrator, Maya, and 3DS Max, please let me know. 

I get your not gaming, I am referring to gpu acceleration and use of cuda. You already mentioned you're not gaming. 

[Sadistic_Potato]

I get your not gaming, I am referring to gpu acceleration and use of cuda. You already mentioned you're not gaming. 

 

Read my edit above.

 

I should probably get a Quadro. Maybe even the K2200. Whatever. But my most used software(s) are from Adobe, and the workflow I do will benefit much more from a powerful CPU than a GPU.

 

I don't use Premiere so no GPU acceleration from there, and who uses ray-tracing in AE these days anyway (If you do, please, switch over to C4D Lite or get Element 3D). 

 

Yes, 3DS Max would love a better GPU and Maya as well whenever I'm doing some complex 3D models, but that will have to hold off for now. I don't have the money. 

 

My build is for now, the ultimate compromise. It's not the best at everything, but it'll be good at what it's used for the most and half-decent for the other things. I think it's worth it for now. 

[brob]

For the work you have described, cpu is indeed the most important. Regardless of the budget, balance is the key to an optimal system. Too much cpu in relation to gpu power results in a system that is being held back by the slowness of the UI.

 

Did you consider the Quadro K620, successor to the K600, that is in the same price range as the GTX 750 Ti? Not as many CUDA, but with drivers optimized for the sort of work being done.

[CelebrityHotTub]

Read my edit above.

 

I should probably get a Quadro. Maybe even the K2200. Whatever. But my most used software(s) are from Adobe, and the workflow I do will benefit much more from a powerful CPU than a GPU.

 

I don't use Premiere so no GPU acceleration from there, and who uses ray-tracing in AE these days anyway (If you do, please, switch over to C4D Lite or get Element 3D). 

 

Yes, 3DS Max would love a better GPU and Maya as well whenever I'm doing some complex 3D models, but that will have to hold off for now. I don't have the money. 

 

My build is for now, the ultimate compromise. It's not the best at everything, but it'll be good at what it's used for the most and half-decent for the other things. I think it's worth it for now. 

 

In the future, please make it clear that you were at the limit for your budget. I think all of us were making suggestions on the assumption that you had a larger budget than you actually had. You didn't make this clear until post #13 in the thread. brob, I would actually take the increased CUDA performance over the optimization that the Quadro provides at that price point.

 

Also, Sadistic_Potato, saying that we don't know what we're talking about when in fact we do know what we're talking about isn't the best way to get the best opinions on your build.

[Sadistic_Potato]

In the future, please make it clear that you were at the limit for your budget. I think all of us were making suggestions on the assumption that you had a larger budget than you actually had. You didn't make this clear until post #13 in the thread. brob, I would actually take the increased CUDA performance over the optimization that the Quadro provides at that price point.

 

Also, Sadistic_Potato, saying that we don't know what we're talking about when in fact we do know what we're talking about isn't the best way to get the best opinions on your build.

 

Yes, I removed what I thought was rather offensive. 

 

Sorry for the fuss. 

[techguru]

id change a couple things..but doesn't sound like you wanna hear them :unsure:

[Sadistic_Potato]

id change a couple things..but doesn't sound like you wanna hear them :unsure:

 

No, I apologised for the fuss, I wasn't having the best day and I reacted in a stupid way; please let me know what you'd change. 

[techguru]

I guess you won't be gaming on this at all right

just for work?

[Sadistic_Potato]

I guess you won't be gaming on this at all right

just for work?

 

Yup, just for designing. 

[Nick@9494]

Yup, just for designing. 

 

I think you should consider buying GTX 980 over 750ti. I know it's expensive but you won't regret it. I am also in the same field and just build a new system for myself too and honestly if it was in my budget i would've gone with Quadro but instead i decided to go with 2 GTX 980s.

[techguru]

no not a 980..aqnd he doesn't have the budget for it either

a firepro would be a really good choice tho