Searching for CPU with good Threading

[RadiatorTwo]

Hi all!

First a little story to this.

I currently have a Phenom 2 x6 1100T Black Edition.

The reason I´ve got it back then was that I use it for multithreaded video conversion.
And for that with the six cores it was awesome.

 

But it got a little bit old now and I also like to play some games with that rig. So I thought about upgrading.

 

So what I need is a CPU that has good per core performance and enough cores to run my video conversion.

But my budget is limited. The max I can afford is about 400$ for the CPU and something extra for the mainboard.

 

So I thought about getting an i7 4790K. (I don´t want to overclock. But since the one with open multiplicator comes with 4GHz out of the box I´d choose that one.)

 

I know it has only 4 Cores. But it has 2 threads per core making that 8 threads.
But I also know that this isn´t as fast as a real extra core.

So my question is how well the i7 4790K would perform against something like the AMD FX-5950 with 8 real cores at 4.7 GHz?

I think the i7 would be better in gaming. But if all cores are used evenly?

 

Or do you have another suggestion to this?

[dadasmithywinkle]

Hi all!

First a little story to this.

I currently have a Phenom 2 x6 1100T Black Edition.

The reason I´ve got it back then was that I use it for multithreaded video conversion.

And for that with the six cores it was awesome.

 

But it got a little bit old now and I also like to play some games with that rig. So I thought about upgrading.

 

So what I need is a CPU that has good per core performance and enough cores to run my video conversion.

But my budget is limited. The max I can afford is about 400$ for the CPU and something extra for the mainboard.

 

So I thought about getting an i7 4790K. (I don´t want to overclock. But since the one with open multiplicator comes with 4GHz out of the box I´d choose that one.)

 

I know it has only 4 Cores. But it has 2 threads per core making that 8 threads.

But I also know that this isn´t as fast as a real extra core.

So my question is how well the i7 4790K would perform against something like the AMD FX-5950 with 8 real cores at 4.7 GHz?

I think the i7 would be better in gaming. But if all cores are used evenly?

 

Or do you have another suggestion to this?

 

The AMD 8-cores preform like Core i5's. I'd get an i7 if you'll be gaming and editing on it.

[NoctHorn]

It's not 8 real cores.  It has multithreading just like the i7.  I hate the fact that AMD labelled this CPU as an 8-core processor because it's not.

 

Also, the TDP of the FX-9000 series is over the top.  High end aircooling or AIO watercooling is almost a requirement if you are going to run this CPU at full load.

[Enderman]

the 4790k is better than all FX processors

[Faceman]

@RadiatorTwo

 

Welcome to the forum!  Please remember to follow your topics and in order for someone to see that you have replied to them, you need to quote or "@" them.

 

The FX processors have good threading, but are not true cores.  They are modules with shared resources.  While they do perform very well in those video conversation tasks, they don't perform nearly as well in gaming.  I recommend you look at benchmarks for the specific programs you intend to use and base your decision off of that, because it seems like your priority is content creation rather than gaming.  I am of the opinion without seeing the actual benchmarks that an i7-4790k will run away with it in any program, but check to make sure with your specific programs.

 

$400 is a massive budget for CPU alone.  If you live near a Microcenter, you could realistically look into the Intel i7-5820k which is a true 6 core, 12 thread behemoth.  You will need a more expensive motherboard and DDR4 memory though, so that increases the price, but this is a true productivity workhorse.  Something that isn't going to cost as much will be the i7-4790k + Z97 motherboard.

[Ptopman]

I7-4790k all the way, I Just got mine and video editing/converting is fast tho I did not see much increase in FPS while gaming. But windows is much snappier and overall editing has increased speed.

(coming from a AMD Phenom ii x6 1090t)

 

If you do get the i7-4790k I do recommend overclocking it, at least to 4.4GHz (its Turbo-Boost) Almost any aftermarket cooler can handle that. If you don't have an aftermarket CPU cooler, get the coolermaster hyper 212 EVO, its cheap and works wonders.

[RadiatorTwo]

@RadiatorTwo

 

Welcome to the forum!  Please remember to follow your topics and in order for someone to see that you have replied to them, you need to quote or "@" them.

 

The FX processors have good threading, but are not true cores.  They are modules with shared resources.  While they do perform very well in those video conversation tasks, they don't perform nearly as well in gaming.  I recommend you look at benchmarks for the specific programs you intend to use and base your decision off of that, because it seems like your priority is content creation rather than gaming.  I am of the opinion without seeing the actual benchmarks that an i7-4790k will run away with it in any program, but check to make sure with your specific programs.

 

$400 is a massive budget for CPU alone.  If you live near a Microcenter, you could realistically look into the Intel i7-5820k which is a true 6 core, 12 thread behemoth.  You will need a more expensive motherboard and DDR4 memory though, so that increases the price, but this is a true productivity workhorse.  Something that isn't going to cost as much will be the i7-4790k + Z97 motherboard.

I also thought about the i7-5820K.

But with the expensive mainboard and the by now expensive DDR4 ram this wouldn´t fit my budget.

 

I7-4790k all the way, I Just got mine and video editing/converting is fast tho I did not see much increase in FPS while gaming. But windows is much snappier and overall editing has increased speed.

(coming from a AMD Phenom ii x6 1090t)

 

If you do get the i7-4790k I do recommend overclocking it, at least to 4.4GHz (its Turbo-Boost) Almost any aftermarket cooler can handle that. If you don't have an aftermarket CPU cooler, get the coolermaster hyper 212 EVO, its cheap and works wonders.

You didn´t get better performance with the i7?

Some Games I have right now Like Assassins Creed Black Flag are running somewhat slow.

Especcially when I compare to a PC of my friend with a similar rig but a lot better CPU.

 

I´ll keep it in mind with the overclocking.

But that would mean I´d need a somewhat better mainboard than the cheapest that can run the CPU I think?

 

 

Thanks for all the replies.

So I think I´ll stick to the 4790K.

I´ll look into some benchmarks though. Maybe I´ll find something about the core usage with video conversion to compare them.

[Faceman]

I also thought about the i7-5820K.

But with the expensive mainboard and the by now expensive DDR4 ram this wouldn´t fit my budget.

 

You didn´t get better performance with the i7?

Some Games I have right now Like Assassins Creed Black Flag are running somewhat slow.

Especcially when I compare to a PC of my friend with a similar rig but a lot better CPU.

 

I´ll keep it in mind with the overclocking.

But that would mean I´d need a somewhat better mainboard than the cheapest that can run the CPU I think?

 

 

Thanks for all the replies.

So I think I´ll stick to the 4790K.

I´ll look into some benchmarks though. Maybe I´ll find something about the core usage with video conversion to compare them.

Are any of these programs in the link I provide below ones that you use?

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8427/amd-fx-8370e-cpu-review-vishera-95w/2

[RadiatorTwo]

@Faceman
​I´m using ffmpeg with my own scripts for conversion.
But the Video conversion Benchmarks with Handbrake are pretty close to that since it also uses ffmpeg.

But seeing that the FX-9590 is even slower in that than an i5 4690K is pretty much all I needed to know.
Thanks for the Link.

 

 

 

[Ptopman]

I also thought about the i7-5820K.

But with the expensive mainboard and the by now expensive DDR4 ram this wouldn´t fit my budget.

 

You didn´t get better performance with the i7?

Some Games I have right now Like Assassins Creed Black Flag are running somewhat slow.

Especcially when I compare to a PC of my friend with a similar rig but a lot better CPU.

 

I´ll keep it in mind with the overclocking.

But that would mean I´d need a somewhat better mainboard than the cheapest that can run the CPU I think?

 

 

Thanks for all the replies.

So I think I´ll stick to the 4790K.

I´ll look into some benchmarks though. Maybe I´ll find something about the core usage with video conversion to compare them.

 You may, its pretty game dependent, I don't play to many games, I have only played about 4 games so far on this processor. I mostly use my PC for editing and casual games, I will say that I went from 150-180ish FPS in minecraft to an avg af about 300FPS. but like I said you will probably notice more performance increase in games than I did only because I don't play games that much any more. 

I did make a work book for my upgrade and Ill screen grab the results for you below.

 

For the physx, Higher FPS is better.

For After effects, Puper Pi, and Hyper Pi, Lower Score is better.

For Cinebench R15, Higher score is better

http://puu.sh/e4MkF/71d98ac8d0.png

 

Fore 3D mark, Higher Score, Higher FPS is better

http://puu.sh/e4N2H/4d53ac156e.png

 

Here are some charts of mine.

http://puu.sh/e4NkN/153605546a.jpg

 

As well here is the workbook for you to download and open to look at if you want.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/1oxg81fif1pkt12/Benchmarking_workbook.xlsx

 

Edit: I did not complete the After effects column because I ran into a bottleneck with my RAM which caused me to Produce the same render times, But scrubbing in AE was faster and RAM preview was faster until my 16 GB of RAM filled up.

 

Edit 2: I forgot to benchmark premiere, but I will say, Encoding and rendering times have dropped quite a bit.