Processor Choices, Need Help!

[Clyne]

Right, and motherboards with appropriate VRM power phase designs cost more.  There is a single 970 motherboard that has 8+2 phases, which is the minimum for an FX8 costs $85.  What you really need is a 990FX motherboard which costs $100+.  On top of that, you also need aftermarket cooling.  After you've spent all of that money overclocking your FX processor, you still don't even reach stock i5 performance, and you still bottleneck high end GPUs.

 

Intel doesn't have this problem with VRM power phase design, because the voltage regulation is done on the chip from Haswell on. 

The 8+2 Power Phase 970 chipset motherboard only costs around 80 dollars(was around 70 a few weeks ago), cheaper than a M5A97 R2.0 that has a 4+2 Power Phase.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128651&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

But you should never buy a MSI 970A-G46 because they are known for VRM failure.

[Faceman]

The 8+2 Power Phase 970 chipset motherboard only costs around 80 dollars(was around 70 a few weeks ago), cheaper than a M5A97 R2.0 that has a 4+2 Power Phase.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128651&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

But you should never buy a MSI 970A-G46 because they are known for VRM failure.

I edited my post, look. 

 

You are still spending the same amount of money for an inferior product.

[Clyne]

I edited my post, look. 

 

You are still spending the same amount of money for an inferior product.

Well i kinda regret buying a 8320.......i'll just look what Intel is offering when Skylake comes up.

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/243930-intel-skylake-s-cpus-to-support-new-lga-1151-socket/#entry3342873

[QuadNine]

Star Citizen(maybe), Shogun2, DOTA, Mount and Blade, and Ghost Recon will all run better

 

"Right now, Star Citizen is in alpha development.  No matter what the requirements are, the potential for bugs is above average.  Better systems will give lower than expected performance until the game is optimized further.  Keep that in mind.  Lower your in game settings for a performance boost.

• Gen 2+ Quad core i5, 8GB of RAM, GTX 680 (lower end)
• Gen 2+ Quad core i7, 16GB RAM, and a GTX 780 (higher end)

*Users with AMD FX series CPUs will experience lower performance."

 

Check out this video by Linus where he does some benchmarking of the G3258 and the i7-4790k.  One of benchmarks is Star Citizen, Dog Fighting Module.  Once the G3258 and i7 are clocked to the same speed, they perform the same, which leads us to believe that this portion of the game is dependent on single core performance:

 

It sounds like you already have an FX6 and want to upgrade to an FX8.  That is an "upgrade" that won't net you much performance.  Also, depending on your current mobo, it wont be able to handle a power hungry FX8.

 

If you want productivity with a side of gaming, get a Xeon.  If you want pure gaming, get an i5.  If you want to live in the stoneage and be limited in the games you can properly play, get an FX8.

I am actually building an entirely new system, and to be honest I just need 30 fps, cause I really cant notice the difference between 60 and 30

[QuadNine]

@QuadNine

Right, and motherboards with appropriate VRM power phase designs cost more.  There is a single 970 motherboard that has 8+2 phases, which is the minimum for an FX8 costs $85.  What you really need is a 990FX motherboard which costs $100+.  On top of that, you also need aftermarket cooling.  After you've spent all of that money overclocking your FX processor, you still don't even reach stock i5 performance, and you still bottleneck high end GPUs.

 

Intel doesn't have this problem with VRM power phase design, because the voltage regulation is done on the chip from Haswell on. 

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jsYCzy

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jsYCzy/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($135.00 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($84.99 @ Newegg) <-- Bare minimum, you really need a 990FX which costs $100, and get lucky with your chip.

Total: $249.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-03 21:22 EST-0500

 

Vs.

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VCGVFT

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....FT/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.99 @ Amazon)

Motherboard: ASRock H81 Pro BTC ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($51.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $231.98

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-03 13:25 EST-0500

 

Or for productivity:

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hsQnpg

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....pg/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1220 V2 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($199.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: ASRock B75M-DGS R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard  ($52.89 @ Amazon)

Total: $252.88

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-03 14:59 EST-0500

 

Do you really want to go the "fake-budget-oriented-route" only to be let down and have to end up buying Intel when you could have bought a Xeon from the start which costs the exact same?

I also want to overclock, I know that intel processors will do better than Fx overclocked yadda yadda., I just want the experience to overclock, I might get the fx 8350 now then later once I get the money upgrade into an Intel Core i5 4670k

[Sintezza]

For 3D rendering a FX8350 is a good choice imo.

 

For gaming sure an i5 is better, nothing to argue about.

But still a FX8350 with a 280X or what not, is still a decent gaming combo.

It will still play all games totaly fine.

 

Maybe people should learn to read questions first, before saying something.

[applesuxD]

Fx8350 all the way

[QuadNine]

For 3D rendering a FX8350 is a good choice imo.

 

For gaming sure an i5 is better, nothing to argue about.

But still a FX8350 with a 280X or what not, is still a decent gaming combo.

It will still play all games totaly fine.

 

Maybe people should learn to read questions first, before saying something.

Thank you! I said Which FX 8000 processor I should get, then some people were like, intel core i5 all the way, even though it is 100$ more(for the unlocked version)

[harrynowl]

Thank you! I said Which FX 8000 processor I should get, then some people were like, intel core i5 all the way, even though it is 100$ more(for the unlocked version)

8320 is the one I'd get.

 

But remember as mentioned about 5x already there's more to a CPU cost than just the CPU itself. AMDs platform cost to OC is higher than a mid end Intel solution and can still perform worse in many scenarios.

[Faceman]

Thank you! I said Which FX 8000 processor I should get, then some people were like, intel core i5 all the way, even though it is 100$ more(for the unlocked version)

All.of the evidence has been laid out in front of you. As said by others, it is not just the price of the CPU, there are ancillary costs that come into effect with AMD overclocking. You say you want to buy an FX now to overclock.and then when you get more money buy an unlocked i5? Just go for the unlocked i5 from the start so you want waste money on an inferior product that actually costs the same.

[Faceman]

OK, Mr. Intel FanBoy. I found a mobo that will overclock the 8310 to about 4.5 Ghz for only 50$, reviews: good. I think I made my decision to get a mobo and processor for 20 buck less than a locked i5. Suck it Fag

Enjoy switching to Intel when you realize that the games you are playing and plan to play don't run as well as you would like.

[QuadNine]

Enjoy switching to Intel when you realize that the games you are playing and plan to play don't run as well as you would like.

Sorry man, I snapped, I didn't mean that. I was frustrated and stressed with my classes, wasnt you. My bad.

[QuadNine]

I found an Intel Pentium G3258,unlocked, in a bundle. about how good is that in multi core performance when over clocked of course, cause it will beat the FX in single core.

[i_build_nanosuits]

I found an Intel Pentium G3258,unlocked, in a bundle. about how good is that in multi core performance when over clocked of course, cause it will beat the FX in single core.

what percentage of your time spent on this system you think will go in productivity and multi-threaded applications? and how much gaming do you think you'll be doing on it? and again also what GPU you plan on going with?

[QuadNine]

what percentage of your time spent on this system you think will go in productivity and multi-threaded applications? and how much gaming do you think you'll be doing on it? and again also what GPU you plan on going with?

like 60% will be productivity, and the rest is gaming, maybe like 5% internet and such,I will be using the xfx r9 280

[i_build_nanosuits]

like 60% will be productivity, and the rest is gaming, maybe like 5% internet and such,I will be using the xfx r9 280

The FX sounds like not a bad choice in that case i must say...this is as cheap as it gets with an AMD based kit:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($126.00 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($74.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $230.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-05 17:22 EST-0500

 

BUT be advised, this cost about the same and perform better in most cases (including photo editing and video editing in most softwares):

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($179.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($41.34 @ Newegg)

Total: $221.32

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-05 17:22 EST-0500

 

ALSO the intel i5 is much more energy efficient, will not heat up your entire room (house..) and you don't have to spend time overclocking the thing, it will outperform out of the box...

[Totally-A-Hero]

Basically, any games with 2 cores or less the 8350 is going to be shit, but for games that use 4 or more cores, that is where the FX does OK games like bf4, the difference in frames is minimal, but the clear choice is a xeon or i5. Its just the way it is, AMD cant keep up right now. EDIT: If you do not want a Xeon or i5 get a 8320 and OC the balls out of it.