Pre-built advice.

[lclarke987]

I have wanted to join the pc master race for a long time now but I don't feel comfortable building a pc. I was wounding if this pre built system I was thinking of getting was a good one.

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1411&products_id=29207&zenid=3a767e34f833e609d202f4e73494f3e0

[GhostWindGamer]

That's a pretty beefy pre built and will serve you well I say go for it

[Rheinwasser]

why don't you feel comfortable doing your own build?

its not much harder than lego these days.

[Silver Knight]

I have wanted to join the pc master race for a long time now but I don't feel comfortable building a pc. I was wounding if this pre built system I was thinking of getting was a good one.

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1411&products_id=29207&zenid=3a767e34f833e609d202f4e73494f3e0

I can't see what you have against building your own... Hell, if you want, you can choose parts and for them to build it for you (still less expensive. They ask what? 50$?)...

 

Take this for example:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($339.99 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($89.99 @ Amazon)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ NCIX US)

Memory: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($159.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Intel 520 Series Cherryville 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($110.50 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($82.77 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card  ($555.91 @ Newegg)

Case: NZXT H440 (Orange/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($109.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power L8 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($84.99 @ NCIX US)

Total: $1654.12

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-05 07:31 EDT-0400

 

This is identical build like that on PCCG, but i didn't include OS, that cable kit and that lighting... For that money that PCCG is asking, 2,499.00 $, you can build a lot better machine, you can even SLI 980...

 

If you have some questions, just ask, i'm sure there are many people on this forum who will help you

[FearMe]

I can't see what you have against building your own... Hell, if you want, you can choose parts and for them to build it for you (still less expensive. They ask what? 50$?)...

 

Take this for example:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($339.99 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($89.99 @ Amazon)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ NCIX US)

Memory: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($159.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Intel 520 Series Cherryville 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($110.50 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($82.77 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card  ($555.91 @ Newegg)

Case: NZXT H440 (Orange/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($109.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power L8 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($84.99 @ NCIX US)

Total: $1654.12

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-05 07:31 EDT-0400

 

This is identical build like that on PCCG, but i didn't include OS, that cable kit and that lighting... For that money that PCCG is asking, 2,499.00 $, you can build a lot better machine, you can even SLI 980...

 

If you have some questions, just ask, i'm sure there are many people on this forum who will help you

I'm pretty sure parts are a lot more expensive in australia than they are in the US, though.

[lclarke987]

why don't you feel comfortable doing your own build?

its not much harder than lego these days.

I feel like I might break something. I'm mostly worried about the cup installation.

[FearMe]

I feel like I might break something. I'm mostly worried about the cup installation.

Unless you're mentally challenged, you're fine. If you can follow a video on how to screw stuff in you can build a PC.

[lclarke987]

I can't see what you have against building your own... Hell, if you want, you can choose parts and for them to build it for you (still less expensive. They ask what? 50$?)... Take this for example: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($339.99 @ Newegg)CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($89.99 @ Amazon)Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ NCIX US)Memory: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($159.99 @ Newegg)Storage: Intel 520 Series Cherryville 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($110.50 @ Newegg)Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($82.77 @ OutletPC)Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card  ($555.91 @ Newegg)Case: NZXT H440 (Orange/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($109.99 @ Newegg)Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power L8 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($84.99 @ NCIX US)Total: $1654.12Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-05 07:31 EDT-0400 This is identical build like that on PCCG, but i didn't include OS, that cable kit and that lighting... For that money that PCCG is asking, 2,499.00 $, you can build a lot better machine, you can even SLI 980... If you have some questions, just ask, i'm sure there are many people on this forum who will help you

here in Australia the prices are jacked. That is about $2400 aud worth of parts so I'm not paying to much for it to be built and shipped to me.

[Rheinwasser]

I feel like I might break something. I'm mostly worried about the cup installation.

the cpu installation is alot easier than many other things.

[lclarke987]

Unless you're mentally challenged, you're fine. If you can follow a video on how to screw stuff in you can build a PC.

So your saying that if I just line up the triangle on the cpu to the triangle on the socket I should be fine?

[FearMe]

So your saying that if I just line up the triangle that's the hardest part?

The hardest part is probably installing the CPU cooler, I spent like 30 mins fiddling with my Scythe Mugen 3 PCGH trying to get it to fit, lol.

[Silver Knight]

here in Australia the prices are jacked. That is about $2400 aud worth of parts so I'm not paying to much for it to be built and shipped to me.

Yeah, but even when you switch to Australian PCPartPicker, you still get the price around 2150-2200$... That's still quite a good amount of saved money...

[lclarke987]

Yeah, but even when you switch to Australian PCPartPicker, you still get the price around 2150-2200$... That's still quite a good amount of saved money...

ok I'll look into that. Thanks for your help

[Megazero]

ok I'll look into that. Thanks for your help

Build by yourself will always be cheaper and better than prebuild. So I suggested you do that. For CPU, just remember to NEVER touch the front of it (the area with pins)

If you are not confident in building by yourself, you can ask for help from us, any of your friend if they know how, or if you go out and buy parts at the store, I think you can always pay abit more money to get the store staff to help you build it as well.

As for which part to choose, I dont really agree with that build above, so here's what I think would be better:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($275.00 @ CPL Online) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($39.00 @ Mwave Australia) 

Motherboard: MSI Z97-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($198.00 @ CPL Online) 

Memory: Kingston Beast 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory  ($199.00 @ CPL Online) 

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($135.00 @ Centre Com) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($99.00 @ CPL Online) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($519.00 @ CPL Online) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($519.00 @ CPL Online) 

Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case  ($165.00 @ CPL Online) 

Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($134.00 @ Centre Com) 

Total: $2282.00

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-05 23:43 EST+1100

Compare to the above build, I go over his build by around 100 AUD, and have an i5 instead but with 970 in 2 ways SLI.

The reason I do those change is this: if you are purely gaming and doing normal stuff with your PC, not the heavy rendering/3D modeling stuff then a i5 is more suited for you than an i7 while being alot cheaper. Ofc if you do those thing then you will need an i7, still not reach 2500 AUD for sure.

For the CPU Cooler... I'm not exactly sure how much OCing you are going to do with your system. If you dont OCing or just low-mid level OCing, a 212 Evo is perfectly fine. If you want to push it more, get a H110, H220-X or Kraken X61 instead of a H100i since H100i is quite old.

About GPU choice, back in the old day 1 stronger card is ALWAYS better than 2 less powerful cards going SLI or Crossfire, but thing changes now. Nowaday almost all high demanding games have SLI or Crossfire support. Even if they dont on day 1, Nvidia will give out driver update very fast with the Geforce Experience, so for high demanding games 2 970 destroy 1 980. In games that dont support SLI, since 1 970 is about 15-20% slower than a 980 but is about 220$ cheaper (about 300 AUD I think?) so it's still good, not to mention that in games that dont support SLI, about 15-20% slower clock speed wont affect your FPS all that much, so 2 970 is a good value choice over 1 980

[Silver Knight]

 

Build by yourself will always be cheaper and better than prebuild. So I suggested you do that. For CPU, just remember to NEVER touch the front of it (the area with pins)

If you are not confident in building by yourself, you can ask for help from us, any of your friend if they know how, or if you go out and buy parts at the store, I think you can always pay abit more money to get the store staff to help you build it as well.

As for which part to choose, I dont really agree with that build above, so here's what I think would be better:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($275.00 @ CPL Online) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($39.00 @ Mwave Australia) 

Motherboard: MSI Z97-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($198.00 @ CPL Online) 

Memory: Kingston Beast 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory  ($199.00 @ CPL Online) 

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($135.00 @ Centre Com) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($99.00 @ CPL Online) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($519.00 @ CPL Online) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($519.00 @ CPL Online) 

Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case  ($165.00 @ CPL Online) 

Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($134.00 @ Centre Com) 

Total: $2282.00

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-05 23:43 EST+1100

Compare to the above build, I go over his build by around 100 AUD, and have an i5 instead but with 970 in 2 ways SLI.

The reason I do those change is this: if you are purely gaming and doing normal stuff with your PC, not the heavy rendering/3D modeling stuff then a i5 is more suited for you than an i7 while being alot cheaper. Ofc if you do those thing then you will need an i7, still not reach 2500 AUD for sure.

For the CPU Cooler... I'm not exactly sure how much OCing you are going to do with your system. If you dont OCing or just low-mid level OCing, a 212 Evo is perfectly fine. If you want to push it more, get a H110, H220-X or Kraken X61 instead of a H100i since H100i is quite old.

About GPU choice, back in the old day 1 stronger card is ALWAYS better than 2 less powerful cards going SLI or Crossfire, but thing changes now. Nowaday almost all high demanding games have SLI or Crossfire support. Even if they dont on day 1, Nvidia will give out driver update very fast with the Geforce Experience, so for high demanding games 2 970 destroy 1 980. In games that dont support SLI, since 1 970 is about 15-20% slower than a 980 but is about 220$ cheaper (about 300 AUD I think?) so it's still good, not to mention that in games that dont support SLI, about 15-20% slower clock speed wont affect your FPS all that much, so 2 970 is a good value choice over 1 980

 

I like this build, and the only reason why i didn't do it like that is because i wanted to show him that it's cheaper to build it yourself

 

Also, i disagree about SLI in that build... I'd personally put 980 (while it's most likely not worthy the price), and add another one later Don't forget that OP was about to spend 2,499$...

[Megazero]

I like this build, and the only reason why i didn't do it like that is because i wanted to show him that it's cheaper to build it yourself

 

Also, i disagree about SLI in that build... I'd personally put 980 (while it's most likely not worthy the price), and add another one later Don't forget that OP was about to spend 2,499$...

In USD, 2 SLI 970 is about 100$ higher than 1 980 and absolutely destroy 1 980, while 2 980 is ofc around 1000$ already, if it dont get better than ~600$ 2 ways SLI 970 I'd bang my head to the wall And that 100$ higher than a 980 will probably let him keep this rig for a lot longer than getting 1 980, and if he choose to get another 980 later on it's probably will set him back around 400 USD or ~600 AUD. The way I see it it's like this: If you get 2 970, You will probably be able to keep playing on ultra on 1440p for about 4 years or more without the FPS ever drop under 60fps, if you get 1 980, you will only be able to do the same for about 2-3 years at most, at that point you either have to get another 980, which is about 600AUD higher than getting 2 970 from the begining, or switch to a newer card, IE a GTX 1180 or something like that,which should also cost that much.

But ofc that's just my opinion. If he have the money to go for 2 980, I dont see why he shouldnt do that

[lclarke987]

 

Build by yourself will always be cheaper and better than prebuild. So I suggested you do that. For CPU, just remember to NEVER touch the front of it (the area with pins)

If you are not confident in building by yourself, you can ask for help from us, any of your friend if they know how, or if you go out and buy parts at the store, I think you can always pay abit more money to get the store staff to help you build it as well.

As for which part to choose, I dont really agree with that build above, so here's what I think would be better:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($275.00 @ CPL Online) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($39.00 @ Mwave Australia) 

Motherboard: MSI Z97-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($198.00 @ CPL Online) 

Memory: Kingston Beast 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory  ($199.00 @ CPL Online) 

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($135.00 @ Centre Com) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($99.00 @ CPL Online) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($519.00 @ CPL Online) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($519.00 @ CPL Online) 

Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case  ($165.00 @ CPL Online) 

Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($134.00 @ Centre Com) 

Total: $2282.00

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-05 23:43 EST+1100

Compare to the above build, I go over his build by around 100 AUD, and have an i5 instead but with 970 in 2 ways SLI.

The reason I do those change is this: if you are purely gaming and doing normal stuff with your PC, not the heavy rendering/3D modeling stuff then a i5 is more suited for you than an i7 while being alot cheaper. Ofc if you do those thing then you will need an i7, still not reach 2500 AUD for sure.

For the CPU Cooler... I'm not exactly sure how much OCing you are going to do with your system. If you dont OCing or just low-mid level OCing, a 212 Evo is perfectly fine. If you want to push it more, get a H110, H220-X or Kraken X61 instead of a H100i since H100i is quite old.

About GPU choice, back in the old day 1 stronger card is ALWAYS better than 2 less powerful cards going SLI or Crossfire, but thing changes now. Nowaday almost all high demanding games have SLI or Crossfire support. Even if they dont on day 1, Nvidia will give out driver update very fast with the Geforce Experience, so for high demanding games 2 970 destroy 1 980. In games that dont support SLI, since 1 970 is about 15-20% slower than a 980 but is about 220$ cheaper (about 300 AUD I think?) so it's still good, not to mention that in games that dont support SLI, about 15-20% slower clock speed wont affect your FPS all that much, so 2 970 is a good value choice over 1 980

 

OMG. I wasn't expecting a response like that. Thank you so much, I will probably now build my own pc based on your recommendations. 

[lclarke987]

In USD, 2 SLI 970 is about 100$ higher than 1 980 and absolutely destroy 1 980, while 2 980 is ofc around 1000$ already, if it dont get better than ~600$ 2 ways SLI 970 I'd bang my head to the wall And that 100$ higher than a 980 will probably let him keep this rig for a lot longer than getting 1 980, and if he choose to get another 980 later on it's probably will set him back around 400 USD or ~600 AUD. The way I see it it's like this: If you get 2 970, You will probably be able to keep playing on ultra on 1440p for about 4 years or more without the FPS ever drop under 60fps, if you get 1 980, you will only be able to do the same for about 2-3 years at most, at that point you either have to get another 980, which is about 600AUD higher than getting 2 970 from the begining, or switch to a newer card, IE a GTX 1180 or something like that,which should also cost that much.

But ofc that's just my opinion. If he have the money to go for 2 980, I dont see why he shouldnt do that

your saying sli 980 is around $1000, in australia a single gtx 980 is $800+

[Megazero]

your saying sli 980 is around $1000, in australia a single gtx 980 is $800+

1000 USD, I said it set back around 600 AUD because of that reason (300AUD from each card)