cheap 2560 displays

[The_Gunslinger]

Hello,

 

I'm new to these forums so please don't blame me if this has been answered before.

From my 10' experience with these forums I wasn't able to find the answer to my problem.

I'm looking to build a new computer once all the new tech is released and trying to balance my budget to fit a GTX 770 or 780.

as these cards would go to waste on a 1080p monitor, especially in the case of the 780, I would like to get a 2560x1440 monitor

the problem is the current ones are over £400 (I'm in the UK market) and I can't afford that currently

also, I've noticed that the smallest size I can find is 27'' but I would much rather have a 24''

my questions are:
is it possible to find this resolution at a size smaller than 27''?

also, i have found many displays from brands I've never heard of before on ebay which sell at £200, so half the price

they appear to be of good quality, they are all IPS, S-IPS or PLS panels and most offer dead pixel guarantees

would buying a knock-off brand be a bad idea?

 

thank you for your help

EDIT:

here is one of the cheap ones I'm refering to

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-27-QNIX-QX2710-Evolution-ll-2560x1440-QHD-PLS-Panel-Monitor-Matte-Screen-/130869204179?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_Monitors&hash=item1e786994d3

 

 

 

[eshbop]

If you want 2560x1440 I'd go with a 780 due to more RAM and bigger Memory bus.

2560x1440 doesn't appear on anything smaller than 27inch.

 

Personally I wouldn't get the knock-off brands. Worse build quality, terrible stands, panel issues, circuitry issues. I'd stick to guys like Dell, Asus or Samsung. Yeah, they're more expensive but you get what you pay for, plus a much better warranty. Wait for a sale from Dell, they're pretty regular. Can knock $200 odd off the price of say the U2713HM which is a 2560x1440 27in.

[The_Gunslinger]

If you want 2560x1440 I'd go with a 780 due to more RAM and bigger Memory bus.

I know, but that's the problem! if I get a 780, I won't have enough to get a 2560 and vice versa.

I'm not sure whether if I get a 770 and use a 2560 but without any AA or AF, would that work out to give me playable frame rates?

I'll wait for the sale and see if I can snatch up a good offer!

Haswell and the according motherboards are not out yet either way so I can wait.

do you see the overall prices of high resolution monitors falling anytime soon?

[eshbop]

I know, but that's the problem! if I get a 780, I won't have enough to get a 2560 and vice versa.

I'm not sure whether if I get a 770 and use a 2560 but without any AA or AF, would that work out to give me playable frame rates?

I'll wait for the sale and see if I can snatch up a good offer!

Haswell and the according motherboards are not out yet either way so I can wait.

do you see the overall prices of high resolution monitors falling anytime soon?

I couldn't tell you 100%. Might want a go an look at some benchmarks.

I doubt the prices will drop soon.

[Glenwing]

There are none smaller than 27".  Wouldn't really recommend the cheap Ebay ones.  They use the reject panels from LG/Samsung.  And they are very limited in terms of inputs and stand, and have cheap casing, and they're basically impossible to return if anything goes wrong.

[GoodBytes]

the problem is the current ones are over £400 (I'm in the UK market) and I can't afford that currently

also, I've noticed that the smallest size I can find is 27'' but I would much rather have a 24''

my questions are:

is it possible to find this resolution at a size smaller than 27''?

also, i have found many displays from brands I've never heard of before on ebay which sell at £200, so half the price

they appear to be of good quality, they are all IPS, S-IPS or PLS panels and most offer dead pixel guarantees

would buying a knock-off brand be a bad idea?

 

They are no 2560x1440 in smaller sizes, sadly. At least, not currently. I have no info on coming up displays that will fit what you are looking for. The best, is 32inch 4K monitors coming up.

 

The eBay monitors that you see are from Korean companies that only sales on eBay, and redistribute under other company names (they print the company name on the monitor. So you can have your own branded The_Gunslinger monitor line). These monitor are rejected, uncertified monitor from Samsung or LG. Basically they have faults which might or might not be visible, and sold for a bargain bin price to these small Korean companies instead of throwing them at the bin. That is why they are so cheap. It's a loto... some people get a great monitor, where they can't find any faults. Others, do, and shipping back the monitor to Korea, cost the price of the monitor. So money thrown at the window.

 

The build quality of these monitor is worst than the spelling mistake and horrible grammar on their eBay pages. Most buttons, don't do anything... they just take these panels, and put them in a generic ultra cheap monitor enclosure and shit it to you, with an ultra cheap external power adapter.

 

Also, the monitors are glossy, including the enclosure, and for most models, you only have a few brightness level settings to choose from with no on screen indicator.

[Kajornkeat]

Hmm, I think the price won't drop until there are more 4k monitor in the market. Also,1080p is still a standard so :\ 

 

For Ebay monitor, if you get a dead pixel, I believe you have to pay for shipping back. Dell pay all shipping for you.

 

7970 is pretty good too at high resolution. Still, 780 is the way to go for now. Awesome card.

[dalekphalm]

Honestly I would do this:

 

Get the GTX 780 NOW with your build, and then buy whatever monitor you can afford (Or just re-use your current monitor IF replacing an old gaming PC). You can pick up 24" TN panels for like $140

 or less on a good sale. That will tide you over until you can afford a proper monitor.

THEN, save up and get that 27" 1440p monitor when you can afford it. In the long run, you'll be more satisfied. Having that more powerful video card is important, because it gives you greater flexibility, and the best power if/when you get a proper 1440p monitor.

 

As others have mentioned, the AMD HD 7970 is also a good choice, but the GTX 780 is the clear winner in benchmarks, so if you can afford to get one, and want the best for 1440p, then get the 780.

[JordanMac]

i would stay away the cheap Korean panels there is just too much risk of having problems and having to ship all the way back and not having the helpful customer service that the major brands give you.

[yancyv8]

i would stay away the cheap Korean panels there is just too much risk of having problems and having to ship all the way back and not having the helpful customer service that the major brands give you.

 

Sure it can be a hassle IF something is wrong but I've ordered two Achieva Shimian monitors on two different occasions and they're perfect. I don't use them personally but my friend who uses them has had them for 7 months now. If you can settle for 1920x1200, get an Apple Cinema Display. I use a 24" ACD and I got it for $321. The things is perfect and the apple store even fixed the little crack for free.

[JordanMac]

Sure it can be a hassle IF something is wrong but I've ordered two Achieva Shimian monitors on two different occasions and they're perfect. I don't use them personally but my friend who uses them has had them for 7 months now. If you can settle for 1920x1200, get an Apple Cinema Display. I use a 24" ACD and I got it for $321. The things is perfect and the apple store even fixed the little crack for free.

im sure 99.9% are perfect but for me anyway its a big risk, im using a 1920x1200 dell u2410 at the moment.

[GoodBytes]

Sure it can be a hassle IF something is wrong but I've ordered two Achieva Shimian monitors on two different occasions and they're perfect. I don't use them personally but my friend who uses them has had them for 7 months now. If you can settle for 1920x1200, get an Apple Cinema Display. I use a 24" ACD and I got it for $321. The things is perfect and the apple store even fixed the little crack for free.

 

Are they perfect perfect... if I put a white screen and a black screen, and I get a magnifier and check every pixel. closely.. will they be perfect?

Perfect is a big word. While I have no doubt that many are the rejected / uncertified panels are simply something else that is faulty beside the  panel outputting it's image, for example, potential durability, or strength where one are or the entire screen might not survive transportation ('cause that would suck, if you buy a monitor and it's cracked, so probably no chances is taken), or if someone presses a bit too hard on the panel, or maybe something else, like the backlight is incorrect, where its not up to the standard of the manufacture, it's not perfect.

LG or Samsung, won't throw away a panel at a lost when it can sale it at a profit.

 

When you come from a aged TN panel, any IPS panel will be jaw dropping to you.  But some people have higher expectation. And people care about after sale service, build quality, that the monitor that they have has been certified at every steps. Have a proper warranty coverage., where if a stuck pixel or a set of  dead pixel appears over the years, they can get a replacement, and it's not a headache to ship, or read the super complicated terms & condition warranty coverage that end up basically saying 'we cover nothing', from all the conditions and exception listed. Plus, seeing that on the eBay page, all the text wasn't even bothered to pass through Word for grammar check, let alone spell check, shows you how much they simply don't care. Oh the sentences that are correct, are simply copied from some manufacture website. And that is beside all the features.

[bradscoolio]

So money thrown at the window.

 

I like your metaphor.

[Vaoh]

Are they perfect perfect... if I put a white screen and a black screen, and I get a magnifier and check every pixel. closely.. will they be perfect?

Perfect is a big word. While I have no doubt that many are the rejected / uncertified panels are simply something else that is faulty beside the  panel outputting it's image, for example, potential durability, or strength where one are or the entire screen might not survive transportation ('cause that would suck, if you buy a monitor and it's cracked, so probably no chances is taken), or if someone presses a bit too hard on the panel, or maybe something else, like the backlight is incorrect, where its not up to the standard of the manufacture, it's not perfect.

LG or Samsung, won't throw away a panel at a lost when it can sale it at a profit.

 

When you come from a aged TN panel, any IPS panel will be jaw dropping to you.  But some people have higher expectation. And people care about after sale service, build quality, that the monitor that they have has been certified at every steps. Have a proper warranty coverage., where if a stuck pixel or a set of  dead pixel appears over the years, they can get a replacement, and it's not a headache to ship, or read the super complicated terms & condition warranty coverage that end up basically saying 'we cover nothing', from all the conditions and exception listed. Plus, seeing that on the eBay page, all the text wasn't even bothered to pass through Word for grammar check, let alone spell check, shows you how much they simply don't care. Oh the sentences that are correct, are simply copied from some manufacture website. And that is beside all the features.

Perfection means something that is unobtainable, perfection simply doesn't exist. What we have are varying degrees of acceptable. Samsung and LG will throw away a good panel if it happens to be apart of a batch of panels where the samples taken for testing failed in anyone one of their metrics. Mass production lines do not allow for detailed scanning of each and every panel or monitor, the prices would be absolutely outrageous and it'd actually be more profitable to allow the bad ones to slip through and replace them. This is a major reason why there are reports of near-perfect Korean monitors, because the production lines simply don't allow them to take every single good panel for their own use. Much in the same way binning works for computer components. I can tell you that there are many 670s and 7950s that overclock better then their more expensive counterparts. Same with RAM, CPUs, and every other components. On top of this things are completely random, such is the case with anything. Someone could own a Dell and a Korean monitor and have the Dell stop working tomorrow and have the Korean monitor continue to work for years, or the inverse could happen.

[Kajornkeat]

For Gpu/Cpu binnig process, it doesn't really work the same way as monitor panel qc process. I think they disable the defect part of the gpu/cpu so it's not going to make any problem in the future. That's how we get cpu with different amount of cores. For monitor panel, they sell the whole batch with a cheaper price tag. There will be some good panel in that batch for sure. That's why there are lots of good feedback out there. However, build quality isn't going to be the same as Asus or Dell. Also, you won't be able to do any color adjustment. If you want to use ips screen with its maximum potential, you will have to do a calibration.

[Traygor_Icarion]

Asus makes very nice monitors, if you want quality you're going to have to pay for it

[Kajornkeat]

Asus makes very nice monitors, if you want quality you're going to have to pay for it

 

Yep, you get what you pay for  :D

[GoodBytes]

Perfection means something that is unobtainable, perfection simply doesn't exist. What we have are varying degrees of acceptable. Samsung and LG will throw away a good panel if it happens to be apart of a batch of panels where the samples taken for testing failed in anyone one of their metrics. Mass production lines do not allow for detailed scanning of each and every panel or monitor, the prices would be absolutely outrageous and it'd actually be more profitable to allow the bad ones to slip through and replace them. This is a major reason why there are reports of near-perfect Korean monitors, because the production lines simply don't allow them to take every single good panel for their own use.

 

Binning of computer component is not true. They check every processor and chip made. It's simple, fast and no humans needed. a machines put them in a plate at high speed, and connectors touches the pins at the bottom of the processors, or chip, and does a check, then the machine reject and classify each chips. Super fast to do.

 

You can also notice when you buy a graphic card or HDD, that the pins of the graphic card are scratched... as in, it was plugged in before. Pay attention next time. For HDDs, you'll see a few pins or metal contacts somewhere, where it is used for diagnostics, and they are used. So bad example.

 

While it is true that you can have a manufacture error on a panel when you buy a Dell monitor... but the difference is that shipping is paid both side by Dell.. and let's say the manufacture you pick requires you to pay shipping.. what's shipping a monitor back to where you order it or to the manufacture, compared to ship it all the way to Korea. It will be very costly, and you'll have to go with the slowest shipping option for the cheapest price, taking a possible a few weeks for them to get it, and you wait for validation and wait for a replacement monitor shipped to you.

People paid well over 200$, some even 300$, and I read at some point that he had to pay duty fees AGAIN, for the replacement monitor due to laws in his region.

 

So where is the saving now? You end up, paying the same or more than a proper Dell or ASUS monitor, and you got this shitty display, where the stand is a joke, no features, no nothing, that might even have another fault on it like a dead pixels or bright pixels.. and you can't have another replacement, because you need a lot of them, PLUS they use zones policy and distance too. Complete B.S policy in my book.

With Dell or ASUS, you see 5 or 6 dead pixels anywhere... even the corner edge pixel -> replacement. You see a single stuck or bright one -> replacement.

[yancyv8]

Binning of computer component is not true. They check every processor and chip made. It's simple, fast and no humans needed. a machines put them in a plate at high speed, and connectors touches the pins at the bottom of the processors, or chip, and does a check, then the machine reject and classify each chips. Super fast to do.

 

You can also notice when you buy a graphic card or HDD, that the pins of the graphic card are scratched... as in, it was plugged in before. Pay attention next time. For HDDs, you'll see a few pins or metal contacts somewhere, where it is used for diagnostics, and they are used. So bad example.

 

While it is true that you can have a manufacture error on a panel when you buy a Dell monitor... but the difference is that shipping is paid both side by Dell.. and let's say the manufacture you pick requires you to pay shipping.. what's shipping a monitor back to where you order it or to the manufacture, compared to ship it all the way to Korea. It will be very costly, and you'll have to go with the slowest shipping option for the cheapest price, taking a possible a few weeks for them to get it, and you wait for validation and wait for a replacement monitor shipped to you.

People paid well over 200$, some even 300$, and I read at some point that he had to pay duty fees AGAIN, for the replacement monitor due to laws in his region.

 

So where is the saving now? You end up, paying the same or more than a proper Dell or ASUS monitor, and you got this shitty display, where the stand is a joke, no features, no nothing, that might even have another fault on it like a dead pixels or bright pixels.. and you can't have another replacement, because you need a lot of them, PLUS they use zones policy and distance too. Complete B.S policy in my book.

With Dell or ASUS, you see 5 or 6 dead pixels anywhere... even the corner edge pixel -> replacement. You see a single stuck or bright one -> replacement.

 

I can see your not a fan of these cheap monitors :P In your earlier post you said "perfect" is a big word and it is. But I don't know a single person that will test a monitors screen PIXEL BY PIXEL.....The Dell and ASUS monitors aren't all perfect either.

 

From your stand point about the shipping, it IS true but it's an extreme. Probably 85% of people receive a "good" monitor and works for extended periods of time. Sure, the 15% of people who get a bad one are stuck in the water, but they still can send it back for a replacement if needed given the extra time. Its really a small percentage of people who receive bad or broken ones IMO. 

 

The two I have ordered for my friend work fine and I'm sure will continue to work fine. Plenty of people on Overclock.net and other forums have had the same luck with the cheap monitors and they're satisfied as well. I, myself, have read that maybe two or three people have received defective monitors. 

 

The other factor is the money. For some, money isn't a factor, but for MANY others it is and getting a 27" for the same price as a BRANDED 24" is a steal given the risks. This is all IMO.

 

Just my $.02.    B)  B)  B)  B)

[GoodBytes]

I can see your not a fan of these cheap monitors :P

I am not a fan of any thing cheap. Why, because I used to be like this... When I build my computers, I was like "a motherboard is a motherboard... RAM is RAM, who cares about OC, the performance increase is negligible.. the saving I am getting, I'll just buy a new system with the new technology/architecture will be faster than me OC'ing"... how wrong I was... all I had was nothing more than problems which cost me more at the end. I switch, and now I never look back. I ended up loving my computer, where I used to hate PC in general, as they were crap (due to crap components everywhere, piss poor to 0 after sale service), and so on.

In your earlier post you said "perfect" is a big word and it is. But I don't know a single person that will test a monitors screen PIXEL BY PIXEL.....The Dell and ASUS monitors aren't all perfect either.

Me, I will, I do. When I buy something, it better be working properly and fully, and has no defects beyond the ones expected from reviews.

Yes, my standards are high, I know. But when I cash out money, I want to be sure I get what I am suppose to get.

[yancyv8]

I am not a fan of any thing cheap. Why, because I used to be like this... When I build my computers, I was like "a motherboard is a motherboard... RAM is RAM, who cares about OC, the performance increase is negligible.. the saving I am getting, I'll just buy a new system with the new technology/architecture will be faster than me OC'ing"... how wrong I was... all I had was nothing more than problems which cost me more at the end. I switch, and now I never look back. I ended up loving my computer, where I used to hate PC in general, as they were crap (due to crap components everywhere, piss poor to 0 after sale service), and so on.

Me, I will, I do. When I buy something, it better be working properly and fully, and has no defects beyond the ones expected from reviews.

Yes, my standards are high, I know. But when I cash out money, I want to be sure I get what I am suppose to get.

 

Mobo's and RAM and ACTUAL components that go into a build are completely different from this. Most people who are building computers regularly aren't THAT stupid or else they wouldn't be doing it in the first place. When looking at PC parts to begin with, there's feedback and reviews on literally everything so it's practically impossible to buy crap components. Look at my sig, I didn't skimp on anything except maybe the GPU in my rig but only because I barely game at all anymore. I don't buy cheap stuff either, BUT.....were just talking about a monitor so I'll save this convo for later.  :D

 

Thats great that you choose to dissect every part of your monitor but doesn't lead to extra frustration when you find something that isn't even noticeable by the naked eye?....If the monitor looks great from the get go, why make a fuss about it? I'm not trying to argue with you or anyone but 99% of people will be satisfied to see it works and there's no noticeable pixel issues.

[GoodBytes]

The monitor is the most important part of your computer.

It's a peripheral and hardware. Use a computer without one. It will completely useless. Just a bunch of circuit board in a box, essentially.

The same way you build a computer without a CPU.

 

Oh and back in the day (which was many ages ago), the reviews of these component were good. People, the same as for these kind of monitors, are raving about. It was said to be "awesome", "perfect", if you don't mind not being able to overclock. Well they were shit. They were nice for a year or two at best.. then problems... after problems... after problems.